falling in love with the cocteaus again.

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I think I might sell it. One going for $20 on eBay, I see.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 1 November 2004 17:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

it's not as rare as it once was. it got reprinted at some point

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 1 November 2004 17:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

eh? what?? SNOW??!! what's that? never fckng heard of it!

you don't mean the frosty the snowman thing right?
heckfire, well i consider myself a cocteaus peak-period trainspotter
but that's foxed me. tell u what the NME COMPELTE DISCOGRAPHY from 1993, which had EVERYTHING listed on it (dates, prices, trax, cat numbers) never mentioned anything called 'SNOW'.

enlighten me please alex, kyle et al.

piscesboy, Monday, 1 November 2004 17:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

1993 two song single. "Frosty" and "Winter Wonderland." The latter has ended up on a couple of multiartist Xmas comps, I had the former through Volume

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 November 2004 17:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

yeah, frost the snowman, for some reason I thought the name of the single was just "snow"

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 1 November 2004 18:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

http://www.cocteautwins.com/html/discography/discog_27.html

it was called Snow

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 1 November 2004 18:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

RE: Snow EP, you can expect to pay around $40-$50 on eBay for this one. It's really for completists only.

jeffery (jeffery), Monday, 1 November 2004 18:22 (9 years ago) Permalink


oh riiiiight. panic over. heard that.

piscesboy, Monday, 1 November 2004 18:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

(x-post to Kyle) I have the slimline cd box set version, which has wiggle room, so I'd guess the box is the same size. (x-post again) Why the recommendation for the JPN version? Generally better sound? More art?

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:10 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think it was because the cases take up the whole box

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:10 (9 years ago) Permalink

Wow.$40-50 bucks? Goddamn. I mean, it's okay, but I wouldn't pay that much for it (not that I'm selling it, mind you).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think it sold for more than that new though

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

oh wait you were talking about the Snow single duh!

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

I just want to add that everyone who hasn't yet should get The Moon And The Melodies. Harold Budd's instrumentals can get a bit long but the 4 tracks on which Liz Fraser sings are so perfect I think they should have been re-released as an EP. 1986 was really an amazing time for them with TMATM, Love's Easy Tears, Victorialand, and "Crushed" all coming out that year.

Seb (Seb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 04:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

RILKEAN HEART and S. CARTER are my wake-up songs these days. What is Liz Fraser's solo thing like?

LeCoq (LeCoq), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 05:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

Like Ned, I pulled out The Cocteau Twins (specifically Treasure) again this afternoon in order to comfort myself in the face of two disastrous elections (in many ways the US election is like an eerie exact repeat of the Australian one from last month) - and suddenly determined that I want much more of this group's stuff. I saw Head Over Heels second hand the other day - convince me to buy it please.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 10:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

S. Carruthers totally OTM about 'Treasure' upthread. That drum machine is awful. It's fine on the more metallic early stuff, but when they got more soft and layered Guthrie needed another drum sound/treatment altogether. I'm fine with it from BBN onwards.

One of the joys of the BBC album is that Guthrie didn't produce it.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

I saw Head Over Heels second hand the other day - convince me to buy it please.

Oh, definitely. It's still a transition album as such, and consisted only of Guthrie and Fraser, Raymonde hadn't joined yet. But it's got some absolutely crackerjack numbers, and they also do a few things throughout that they didn't try much again (the overt jazz-scat nods on "Multifoiled," for instance). Still had a lot of early hyperdourness but was channeled into different directions -- the glowering guitar and doom beats on "When Mama Was Moth" and then the explosion/cascade of the concluding "Musette and Drums," which is a monster and a half.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 13:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

(And it was actually the album I was listening to last night!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 13:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

I glid down the leaf-strewn, sunsplashed avenues of this fair metropolis as if buoyed by a giggley coterie of silk-winged cherubim and robustly voluptious, flaxen-locked centaurettes. Then I overheard Beat Happening from a passing invalid's walkman and beat him up.

-- Alex in NYC (vassif...), November 1st, 2004 7:11 PM. (vassifer) (later)

Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 14:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

Damn right.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 15:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

I got Head Over Heels/Sunburst & Snowblind - it's good! Though I'm surprised how comparatively conventional Liz sounds. Treasure is the earliest I've otherwise got, and her vocals are so alien there I'd assumed they had to start from some basic level of alienness which Head Over Heels falls short of. "Falls short" is wrong though; I actually like how this album sounds more like a really lush, atmospheric post-punk album rather than being totally unplaceable. The guitar is so heavy! The whole thing reminds me a lot of The Cure's Disintegration actually.

There's a big "BUT" however, which is that the sound on this pre-remaster CD is absolutely atrocious, it sounds like it was recorded using a dictaphone from three rooms down the hall. I suspect this may be a big barrier to my enjoyment, as it certainly clouds a lot of the sonic intricacies at work. My copy of Treasure sounds startingly clear by comparison.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 7 November 2004 00:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

Huh, that's sorta funny, I have that very same pre-remaster CD and I don't mind the sound on it at all! (Or Treasure, which is similarly pre-remaster.) Then again I've been listening to it for, y'know, 15 years. ;-)

It occurred to me that a good band doing a version of "Musette and Drums" via a huge sound system would be genius.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 November 2004 01:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Twinlights" and "Otherness", taken together, would be easily the best CT album.

i almost agree, but can't completely because of the overwhelming sadness (to my ears anyway) on those eps. they are wonderful though. and quite a solid package together too. i wrote a random phone number on the case to "twinlights" and i curse that damn number everytime i look at the case.

every once in awhile i'll pull out blue bell knoll or four calendar cafe and bliss out. "spanglemaker" is my favorite though. i can't imagine treasure without those big fake drums either.

tricky (disco stu), Sunday, 7 November 2004 01:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

"spanglemaker" is my favorite though.

The whole EP is perhaps a perfect summation of that period of the band, but yeah, the song itself...man. A friend, many years ago, said she envisioned the song almost like a green slip of material, a scarf or something silken, twirling through a dark cavern that suddenly at the end came forward and enveloped you and took you somewhere else. It was a striking and strictly visual metaphor for the song that has never left me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
Getting excited now.

And there's no new album to promote so that leaves the set lists wiiiiiiide open.

http://www.nme.com/news/111427.htm

piscesboy, Thursday, 17 February 2005 12:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

i'd like to see them. i've only recently begun to really listen.

Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 17 February 2005 12:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

The drummachine's my fav thing about "Treasure". Well, that and Simon turning up.

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 17 February 2005 13:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

it's going to be wall to wall 'treasure' on these gigs i reckon.
'ivo' and 'lorelei' = a dead cert.

piscesboy, Thursday, 17 February 2005 13:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

Perhaps they will play in New Zealand. Perhaps not.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 17 February 2005 13:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...
Hmmm, Heaven or Las Vegas sounds very good tonight.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 06:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

still the only cd of theirs i own. haven't listened to it in years but the title track alone would make me never want to relinquish it.

joseph (joseph), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 06:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
Hmmm, Heaven or Las Vegas sounds very good tonight.
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), November 16th, 2005


..and last night.

so the box set then. in february it's coming out in 2 seperate volumes (for like, a tenner each) usefully bisecting their career into 'the amazing 4ad bits 82 - 90' and 'the boring fontana biot onwards'. which is very nice.

piscesboy, Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
i only have heaven or las vegas and four-calendar cafe. i tend to prefer the latter despite the overwhelming critical preference for the former. the closer on f-c c is really blissful

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 1 February 2007 12:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yes I've just fallen for them again. Listened to Treasure again last week at fiancee's prompting and even though after more than 22 years I thought I knew the record inside out, now it sounds like a completely new record.

Their music was such an important part of my old life (which is why I've been reluctant to write much about them) and for years I couldn't listen to them - it was too painful - but now, in my new life, I can.

Now that's magic.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 1 February 2007 12:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

Critical preference is almost always gonna slant toward the earlier, more vibrant Twins -- like back toward a little bit of grit and struggle in the sound, back when they're really pushing and taking off into beauty, instead of just hopping straight into the hot cozy bath -- but the more time goes by, the more that later stuff sounds great and mysterious on its own, and not just like some kind of comedown / trailoff. I mean, I still prefer the part of their career where they sound like they're in a basement trying to be beautiful (and magically succeeding) -- like Treasure and such -- but the very end-period stuff (FCC and beyond) sounds better to me every time I go back to it. (I think, at the time, that FCC was the last Cocteaus album I dug without worrying that they were going a bit milky, and actually, at the time, I think I liked its direction a lot.)

Charlie, I recommend following your Cocteau purchases in one direction or the other -- I mean, I'd push like Treasure or at least Blue Bell Knoll on you, but if you want to head in their hot-milky-bath direction, start the other way!

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 February 2007 13:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

still victorialand for me, you can play it at both speeds!

Friendly Tree (688), Thursday, 1 February 2007 13:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

cheers for the advice, nabisco

having just uncovered this powerful band quite recently, i'm suddenly confronted with the delightful chore of navigating their back catalogue, and i find myself treading a little carefully so as to not overdose on all the riches at once. i think i'll go with 'treasure' next, and then take it step by step from there. :)

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 1 February 2007 14:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

I find the early stuff a bit too gothy but Moon and The Melodies, Heaven or Las Vegas, Bluebell Knoll or Victorialand all get spun still fairly regularly. For some reason they always seem to be a band I listen to in the Spring or Autumn more. But that's probably abother thread in its own right.

Treblekicker (treblekicker), Thursday, 1 February 2007 14:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

Charlie, if you want to invest in a crash course in the discography, you can always get the new four-disc EP collection, which is pretty great -- you'll get an overview of the whole career, and still have the actual albums to dip into at whatever pace you like.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 February 2007 14:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm jealous of people who are just now discovering bands like the Cocteaus, and have that whole catalogue in front of them to dive into...I mean, how awesome would it be to have bits of your musical memory erased so that so can experience that "my god *this* is exactly what I want to hear right now!" feeling over and over again?...you know, like electroshock therapy, but without the bad stuff...

hank (hank s), Thursday, 1 February 2007 14:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

that's an interesting idea. if you had entire bands erased from your memory, i wonder how many of those same bands you'd come across again on an intimate level.

i'll suss out that ep. collection tomorrow i think. particularly since the material is strong.

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 1 February 2007 14:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

i know it's been said many times many ways but my god what a band.

piscesx, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 02:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

You betcha.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 04:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

damn I haven't listened to the Cocteau Twins in like a year now, time for another obsessed dive

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 04:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm not as big a fan as many around here, but some of their singles -- e.g., Pearly-Dewdrops' Drops -- are near perfect pop songs.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 20 August 2008 04:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

crikey (no sadly not a reunion before anyone gets their hopes up)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/may/01/cocteau-twins-elizabeth-fraser-meltdown

piscesx, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Shitting kittens!

interesting phrase!

suburban buttshaven cannibal (electricsound), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Fraser has quietly assembled almost an album's worth of new material, which will form the basis of a 75-minute set with a band including Reece, multi-instrumentalist Thighspaulsandra from experimental band Coil and ex-Spiritualized bassist Sean Cook. Ex-Genesis guitarist Steve Hackett may also feature.

I demand a recording of this as soon as this set is performed.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, okay, that url made me think the story was about something altogether unpleasant. But good on her!

O Aquaman (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 04:16 (2 years ago) Permalink


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