― NRQ, Monday, 21 February 2005 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Monday, 21 February 2005 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link
hmm, "it's labour" is also a better reason *because* the other lot are bloody awful
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 21 February 2005 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link
Just clicked on the labour website to find my local party office and that pledge card scares the bejesus out of me.
― Ed (dali), Monday, 21 February 2005 13:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― NRQ, Monday, 21 February 2005 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― NRQ, Monday, 21 February 2005 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link
Labour doesn't particularly have liberal roots. It's had socially liberal ministers who have championed liberal policies but it's not particularly liberal by nature.
― Ed (dali), Monday, 21 February 2005 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 21 February 2005 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link
...as long as you only mean the general election and not local ones (half-joking)
i think i'm in yet another v safe labour seat (sedgefield, oxford east, tottenham). cheltenham was the only place i could really "make a difference") so maybe another protest vote for whatever the socialist alliance is called this time...
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 21 February 2005 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 21 February 2005 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link
so: -4 pledges on the family, addressed to a person at the head of a family-1 pledge on migration-1 pledge on law and order-1 appeal to the economy, stupid
i can't see much of labour in this. the bit about 'borders' really took me aback though.
― NRQ, Monday, 21 February 2005 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Monday, 21 February 2005 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 21 February 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link
even so, no. they'll draft in some apparatchik no doubt "well i've been working at grey's inn for the last 5 years so i've a real feel for the area" in fact, i think i know who it might be (friend on national policy forum who's just started lawing).
also RickyT wins today's OTM badge...
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 21 February 2005 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― beanz (beanz), Monday, 21 February 2005 14:20 (nineteen years ago) link
I shall have to fight this carpet bagging scallywag.
― Ed (dali), Monday, 21 February 2005 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― NRQ, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link
led by who?
― Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― NRQ, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 13:00 (nineteen years ago) link
http://bigrikcouk.brinkster.net/images/ff_foxy.jpg
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Crackity (Crackity Jones), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link
Disappointing that, given all that is going on at the moment, the Labour Party's new party political broadcast bangs on about immigration.
― djh, Friday, 12 April 2013 08:09 (eleven years ago) link
at the risk of repeating myself, forget it, the party's dead.
― life went on, sadly (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 April 2013 08:21 (eleven years ago) link
Laziness has stopped me from cancelling the £2.50 or w/e a month i give them up to now. Will do it at lunch.
― Des Fusils Pour Banter (ShariVari), Friday, 12 April 2013 08:23 (eleven years ago) link
cool
― conrad, Friday, 12 April 2013 09:32 (eleven years ago) link
from the other thread -
"Having had some time to think about it, I think I'm going to start volunteering time for the labour party some how. Does anyone else do anything? I'm a bit unsure where to start, do i just go and be like "hiya diane abbott sure i'll put the kettle on and sort mail"? Is there a good website that details how to help?"
i want to do this too. though not sure if i join and become a paying member, if i get to actually do much. which is what i want. i want to be active. anyone here a member?
― StillAdvance, Saturday, 25 June 2016 13:14 (seven years ago) link
talking to ppl I know tonight, a lot of v strong anti-corbyn sentiment from labour people, it seems so ubiquitous, I can't help but feel my grievances & indeed whole perspective on this are so marginal there's no point in being in the party
― ogmor, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link
My wife is a member
I don't think you have to agree with everyone else in order to make a positive contribution fwiw
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 June 2016 21:03 (seven years ago) link
I'm not naturally a joiner and it's been a struggle to suppress the crippling frustration and dejection I feel wrt british politics but right now it's hard to feel optimistic about a party run from the bottom up and honestly I have no idea how I can make a positive contribution at this point
― ogmor, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 21:12 (seven years ago) link
not sure theres any use in supporting corbyn at this point. you can only support a man, deserted as much as he has, so far. its no longer practical from the looks of things.
i still want to join though.
― StillAdvance, Thursday, 30 June 2016 09:37 (seven years ago) link
I was a member for the last year but stopped paying subs a couple of months ago for a combination of financial and ideological reasons. If you join your local party will most likely be VERY keen to get you involved in any way you want - stuffing envelopes, attending meetings, canvassing on the streets, etc etc. There's loads of opportunities to get involved practically.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 30 June 2016 09:43 (seven years ago) link
otm
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 30 June 2016 09:49 (seven years ago) link
I vacillate between thinking i should join and go for it seriously over the next few years - aiming to be a ward Councillor and, in the fullness of time, a PPC - and mostly assuming the party is heading in a direction i couldn't bring myself to vote for let alone represent.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Thursday, 30 June 2016 09:56 (seven years ago) link
lots of local movers and shakers - organisers, councillors and so on who are part-timers apparently doing it out of belief and wanting to contribute - seem to have the same sort of cliquey, manoeuvring, driven, insubstantial on-message alternative reality mindset, in thrall of their local labour mp/mayor/anyone with a degree of ~power~ ready to regurgitate the plp pov in order to futher their own...careers?
I would like to get more involved because I don't have and don't want a career so might be an asset of sorts or at least be viewed as a hinderance and they'd have to expend effort marginalising me? either way
― conrad, Thursday, 30 June 2016 09:59 (seven years ago) link
my support for corbyn was more for the movement to democratise the party and run it from the bottom up, but given the nature of the machinations that have been used to make his position untenable it looks like that is anathema to the ppl who are still evidently running things
with both this and the referendum result we've had democratic decisions which the establishment has been unable or perhaps just unwilling to make work. not sure what people are supposed to do in the face of this sort of anti-democracy
the willingness of people to make practical compromises is what has sustained the system for so long, I don't think it will be sufficient to solve the deeper problems, but hey, there's an election coming, got to look good for the tabloids
― ogmor, Thursday, 30 June 2016 10:04 (seven years ago) link
Yes, that's the key thing a lot of people are missing. It's not specifically about Corbyn - the idea of Labour as a democratic political movement goes far beyond the choice of leader. The naked contempt for members, not just within the PLP but from the Labour-aligned press and centrists within the wider party, clearly shows that's never going to happen unless Corbyn manages to hang on an implement a huge structural reform.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Thursday, 30 June 2016 10:09 (seven years ago) link
yeah this has been my thing for a long time, Corbyn's election swung me towards the former but here we go again
― taking straight talking honest politics a little too literally (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 30 June 2016 11:36 (seven years ago) link
No
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 30 June 2016 14:30 (seven years ago) link
A reminder of how the Labour Party is now bad.
Blacklisting candidates for liking tweets from Sturgeon saying she had recovered from COVID is a disgusting look for Labour. https://t.co/4nMzqMdTEV— Tom Sutton for NW YL Chair 🔶️ (@PushTheSutton) October 22, 2022
― the pinefox, Sunday, 23 October 2022 12:39 (one year ago) link
is this about enforcing anti-snp party discipline or is it more whatever pretext is to hand to keep out the wrong sort of people? or a two birds one stone situation
― Left, Sunday, 23 October 2022 13:15 (one year ago) link
Pretty sure the SNP is not a big talking point on the doorsteps of Milton Keynes North.
― Fronted by a bearded Phil Collins (Tom D.), Sunday, 23 October 2022 13:25 (one year ago) link
I believe it is part of a general purge of socialists, though I don't know much about this particular individual.
― the pinefox, Sunday, 23 October 2022 13:30 (one year ago) link
is the party just going to get more and more reactionary on the assumption that tory fuckery and FPTP and lesser evil guilt tripping will hand them victory anyway regardless of how toxic they are and how little they have to offer to anyone who matters? or are they just spiteful pieces of shit as a matter of habit
― Left, Sunday, 23 October 2022 13:37 (one year ago) link
Both.
― Fronted by a bearded Phil Collins (Tom D.), Sunday, 23 October 2022 13:45 (one year ago) link
https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/selective-history
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 February 2023 13:22 (one year ago) link