2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

they were pretty similar to the stipulations dudes like robert reich have been pushing all week

xps IOIARDI has a cool umberto eco ring to it tho

ok it was way less technical than the reich stuff, i see

First, there must be oversight. We should not hand over a blank check to the discretion of one man. We support an independent, bipartisan board to ensure accountability and complete transparency.

Second, we need to protect taxpayers. There should be a path for taxpayers to recover their money, and to turn a profit if Wall Street prospers.

Third, no Wall Street executive should profit from taxpayer dollars. This plan cannot be a welfare program for CEOs whose greed and irresponsibility has contributed to this crisis.

Fourth, we must help families who are struggling to stay in their homes. We cannot bail out Wall Street without helping millions of families facing foreclosure on Main Street.

Fifth, we both agree that this financial rescue package should move on its own without any earmarks or other measures. We have different views about the need for other action, but this must be a clean bill.

This is a time to rise above politics for the good of the country. We cannot risk an economic catastrophe. This is not a Democratic problem or a Republican problem - this is an American problem. Now, we must find an American solutions.

In the History of The Corner, I'm Told We've Made Whole Nations Deaf [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

Just received this e-mail:

Sent: Thu 9/25/2008 11:32 AM
To: Kathryn Lopez
Subject: Deafening silence on Palin train wreck

Yesterday you wrote that "Many readers relay that they'd like McCain to just offer Palin step in for him."

Yeah, she's so good that, in the now 18 hours since her train wreck with Katie Couric last night, not one word has posted at the Corner concerning that interview. NOT ONE WORD.

Bad news just doesn't exist in your world, does it? Just close your eyes and maybe it will go away.

Yes, bad news doesn't exist in my world. Which is why I criticized McCain yesterday — bad news — which brought me scores of e-mails from angry conservatives who thought the McCain move was brilliant — not good news until it proves true.

Actually, I'm just sitting here wishing Sarah Palin could have married Mitt Romney — then these Christianists could rule a Brave New Theocracy together and I wouldn't have to pay attention to another politician again.

But I digress.

Everytime there's not a post on something — from a presidential hiccup to the Emmys — I will inevitably get an e-mail about the "deafening silence" of "The Corner." I watched Katie with Sarah last night. And I found the whole thing jarring (and not because it was a "train wreck" on Palin's part — it wasn't). The CBS Evening News is sitting on an interview through Monday? At a moment like this? When everyone's complaining Palin isn't talking about the press? All substance of the part of the interview she deemed to show us last night was trumped by what a bad programming decision I thought not showing it all is.

I think the whole interview may be online — I think Couric said it is. I haven't made it there to find yet. If I, who live on the Internet, did not watch it yet, I don't think most Americans will be.

I did mention the Great Depression talk yesterday here, FWIW, and Amity Shlaes, an expert on just that, commented in an interview with me up this morning.

hahahahahaha

Perot ran in '96 too but we've been over this. Clinton never won a majority.

many x-posts

Clinton won the Electoral College, which is all that matters

i liked him better when he was fat

dukakis got more votes in 88 than clinton in 92, DLC fans

Clinton won the Electoral College, which is all that matters

I think popular vote does matter when dissembling before a supposedly "brilliant" politician who fucked up plenty and was never all that great a politician to begin with. Clinton's capacity for "connecting" with the people is habitually overestimated.

i liked him better when he was fat

― flyover statesman (will), Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:48 PM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm

I think popular vote does matter when dissembling before a supposedly "brilliant" politician who fucked up plenty and was never all that great a politician to begin with. Clinton's capacity for "connecting" with the people is habitually overestimated.

Like I've been saying a million times this morning, Bill Clinton sure does make a lot of people angry. You can just ignore him if you want to, FYI.

I think popular vote does matter when dissembling before a supposedly "brilliant" politician who fucked up plenty and was never all that great a politician to begin with. Clinton's capacity for "connecting" with the people is habitually overestimated.

Tell it to President Tilden.

dukakis got more votes in 88 than clinton in 92, DLC fans

RONG

Dukakis won 41,809,476 votes in the popular vote in 1988.

Clinton won 44,909,806 votes in the popular vote in 1992.

(that took like 5 seconds to verify btw)

gabb's right.

Funny thing is that Bob Dole received fewer popular votes, but had more states than Dukakis.

that was hasty wording, i meant greater percentage of the vote

Dukakis '88: 45.6%
Clinton '92: 43.0%

too many states like montana

also huge lolz at wikipedia's perot.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Perot_cropped_and_blown-up.jpg/135px-Perot_cropped_and_blown-up.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/44_Bill_Clinton_3x4.jpg/135px-44_Bill_Clinton_3x4.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/43_George_H.W._Bush_3x4.jpg/135px-43_George_H.W._Bush_3x4.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Perot_cropped_and_blown-up.jpg/135px-Perot_cropped_and_blown-up.jpg

ghost of christmas present vs ghost of christmas future vs ghost of christmas past '92

lol as of two days ago mccain hadnt read the paulson plan - it is THREE PAGES LONG

that was hasty wording, i meant greater percentage of the vote

you mean Clinton ran in a race with a third party candidate who got nearly 20% of the vote and only underperformed his predecessor by 3 points? Bush underperformed by 16.

Perot_cropped_and_blown-up.jpg

http://www.theforce.net/kids/coruscant/probe_droid/palpatine.jpg

This really calls out for a nice big fluffy pancake.

http://www.polidata.org/maps/cy88p1cb.gif
http://www.polidata.org/maps/cy92p1cb.gif
http://www.polidata.org/maps/cy96p1cb.gif

nice of them to change red and blue between elections

http://www.polidata.org/maps/cy00p1cb.gif
http://www.polidata.org/maps/cy04p1cb.gif

nice of them to change red and blue between elections

waht

is alaska just not allowed to vote

oh wait, its blue for GOP CONFUSING

it was snowcovered

very britishes maps u dug up there gab

Weird how you could walk across Alabama and never leave a county that didn't vote for Al Gore in 2000.

fyi, red-on-blue is much easier to read - you want blue=democrat-it-is-law-for-eternity versions, go here

Weird how you could walk across Alabama and never leave a county that didn't vote for Al Gore in 2000.

or Kerry in 2004, and not really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Belt_(region_of_Alabama)

Weird how you could walk across Alabama and never leave a county that didn't vote for Al Gore in 2000.

― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:23 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

isnt that just about avoiding the white neighborhoods

doh xp

You make it sound like an asteroid field.

fyi, red-on-blue is much easier to read - you want blue=democrat-it-is-law-for-eternity versions, go here

― gabbneb, Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:23 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ok i will go ahead and point out that this makes no sense whatsoever

is that post even in English?

but ya, red = left everywhere else in the world

Clinton won the Electoral College, which is all that matters

OTMFM

motherfucker knows a thing or two about winning elections, even under fire, can squeeze votes from places where you wouldn't think to find 'em, how anybody feels about his presidency (generally bad) or his politics (generally worse) is completely immaterial, ppl need to check their emotions and get their eyes on the goddamn money once in a while. your terrible, horrible, very bad lobster of doom will deliver states to you. so stfu and get on fucking board.

"oh but I hate him!" fine, enjoy your mccain

i think u can figure it out jho

j0hn, you are correct about clinton's political smarts and skill. i think you are also a little blind to how deep his wells of anger/resentment can go, and how willing he has been throughout his career to play race from a number of angles.

its the red on blue part i was taking issue with - obv i have nothing against tortured language

CTRL + ALT + COMMAND + 8 on your Mac next time.

omg dude that is trippy

but aaaany way my point is THOSE MAPS ARE NEITHER RED ON BLUE OR BLUE ON RED

guys I noticed the other day this thread hasn't devolved into the usual ILX green party sniping the dems bullshit that is so exclusive to our merry club of commentary, can we think of when we want to get back to that oh wait! Good job high fives!

zippity doo dah john and tracer are hoe-saving the clintons again shit feels like march ayo who wants to go see be kind rewind with me