Dawn of the Planet of the Apes: will it be good?

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wanted MORE pre-production time

sorry again for typos

http://on.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/apes-raises-a-common-question-about-reboots-why-so-serious/2014/07/14/c6682966-0795-11e4-a0dd-f2b22a257353_story.html?tid=hpModule_1f58c93a-8a7a-11e2-98d9-3012c1cd8d1e

I laughed all throughout this movie (double guns kobo on horseback a+++) but Noah was funnier.

So weird to complain about self serious reboots and never actually compare and contrast the current ape movies with the originals

Haven't seen the Heston but I'm under the impression the ending is a little self serious at least

also bet jj abrams was flattered to learn he has a deft touch

You should see the Heston. And yea, she doesn't really compare this one to the originals, just to other reboots (Star Trek and Batman)

Haven't seen the Heston

check, please

promise you won't hang around asking for water refills?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjcpRHuPjOI

yeah nothing self-serious about that opening text

Screenplay by Rod Serling, definitely not know for self-seriousness.

*known

love OG planet of the apes

Most important scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udDZ2PTGs3o

as somebody who read and loved the book as a kid, i can tell you it is pretty self serious and occasionally funny.

are there any good books about the making of it?

original film has plenty of adolescent monkey jokes too.

who is crushed that croup and i didn't meet up in LA?

I think the criticism involving Batman being self[sic]-serious is BATMAN IS BULLSHIT DONE BEST BY ADAM WEST.

not a making-of story (tho that's covered), but a splendid book I own, oft cited by Armond White too:

http://www.jewishjournal.com/images/made/30031e0e49eb3602/618155-L-1_233_356_c1.jpg

There's also a doc emceed by Roddy McDowall about the original five's production that was made for a '90s video release, Behind the PotA, which you can probably find fairly easily.

Cool, thanks Morbs :)

Screenplay by Rod Serling

Apparently mostly concepts, Liberty ending and a few lines left from Serling's script -- he bowed out when the budget was slashed and the movie would no longer take place in a mechanized society. Ex-blacklistee Michael Wilson did the major rewrite.

heston would have made for a good serious-but-leavened batman

picturing that in my head...it's super weird

"villains are a superstitious, cowardly lot..."
http://parallax-view.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/1345_still01_small.jpg

So I ended up watching this last night

The idea that 'the apes are like people!' doesn't come across very well when the apes are in fact, not just 'like people', but 100% the same as a sentimental blockbuster's sketch of a person.

That undercuts the thing the film seemed to want to do, which was to ask, in blockbuster language, whether two different types of being could ever live peacefully together ... but that question falters a bit when the two are so similar

i liked this a lot! but I also realized afterwards that I was so transfixed by the apes I didn't really notice that there's really not much character development going on, the people are v one dimensional, even cesar is kinda one note. oops

also mr veg was all "wtf why would you stay in sf. nothing works!! why not go to the central valley where you can at least grow food"

The movie establishes that humans and apes agree that the most desired things are watching family photos and videos on iPads or cameras and graphic novels, so maybe there are still apple stores and comic book shops in post-apepocalypse SF

And I thought they didn't really follow through on the threatening first sight you get of the apes swinging silently through the trees hunting deer - if they were that scary all the way through, then the question 'Can humans live with these beings' would have been sharper

cardamon, i like the spice that is your namesake. i really had rice flavored with cardamon at a persian restaurant and it was really good. just so you know.

I try to live up to that spice

I'm willing to admit that I might not have 'got' this film

I enjoyed this. Not as much as Rise which is great because of the sweetness and the character development. This seems very much a second-in-a-series film, and it's over the top with the explosions and action, but it was still awfully good. One, it looks amazing. This is the best CGI in a film so far, the only poor point being when Felicity interacts with the baby ape (presumably there was no mo-cap for that). I'm interested to see what the 3rd movie does; if it's just an all out war, I think that will be boring, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt that they are going to go somewhere unexpected.

ok, this diplomatic mission is our one last desperate chance to rescue this whole sorry affair. i want my gf, my kid and let's see we need one more guy... hey! you! hotheaded dude with a rifle, a hair trigger and a massive chip on your shoulder who got us into this mess! get in the truck big shooter!

yeah the more i ponder this the stupider it seems

if it's just an all out war, I think that will be boring

maybe not if it was directed by james cameron... in 1987.

the climactic crane'n'girder fight was very die hard i thought

(no bad thing of course)

They handwaved that with some mumbo jumbo about needing his technical knowledge but yeah, that just underlined that it was BS

they explained he was the only one who knew how to fix the hydroelectric dam, otherwise they would have gotten rid of him

i guess it's a screenwriter's trick but it didn't bother me too much

that didn't really bother me as much as having injured wheezing caesar talking instead of signing.

so many criticisms about a movie about monkeys fucking ruling the SF Bay

never wanted to go to muir wood til now THANK U CAESAR

protip: "muir woods" is in vancouver

buzzkill much rog?

pretty sure yr buzz will not be killed in vancouver

I loved the first movie, was pretty much unmoved by this one. I got a modestly at best important text message 10 or 15 minutes before the end and decided, hey, fuck it, I'm just going to bail. I hate that every blockbuster these days just leads up to two groups shooting machine guns at each other. Also, almost every human being in this movie was miscast and poorly written. People make fun of Franco, fine, but he was essential to the first movie. This, half the dudes seem cast for their punchability. And really, gah, "hey, there's this paranoid hot-tempered guy who hates apes and wants to shoot them, let's take him along to negotiate with the apes, who requested no guns and don't trust humans!"

I was also amazed that Keri Russell was in this, but didn't get anything close to a close-up like 20 minutes in. I kept thinking, oh, is that Keri Russell? And then after I realized it was her I didn't care, because who was she in this? Some doctor? A barely-written cog in an ape-wheel machine that didn't need her?

Great ape effects, though. Hope the next one is all apes and sign-language, because I hated how these smart apes essentially spoke like cavemen crossed with Tonto. "Me no like this movie. This movie tread familiar ground. Me do something else with time."

i will raise my hand in favor of more keri russell, more keri russell close-ups

"ape no like helping verbs!"

THIS TIME IT'S WAR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEP1Mk6Un98

At this point I will watch Woody Harrelson do anything, so.

well, yeah

Porky Pig Style

ahah, topic covered (and very good point about the towel) !

I was reading that AV Club thing with David Warner, and they mention his role in Planet of the Apes, and I kept thinking, huh, I don't remember that character at all. Then I realized I had completely forgotten the Tim Burton movie existed.