2008 Primaries Thread

Kerry protested the Vietnam War, that's why they could Swift Boat him.

That too, yes.

HRC/Carl Weathers?

NO WAIT

HRC/Cynthia Rothrock!

The fear with Obama is, as I said upthread, that he could send Hispanic voters to the GOP

no way in hell is this going to happen. GOP spent too much of the last couple years pandering to racist demogogues re: immigration, and in my latino neighborhood, the local spanish-language paper just gave the highest marks to Obama out of all the candidates (also mentioned upthread).

HRC/Carl Weathers

YES!

An example of the irritated right:

"John McCain can eat shit and die before I pull the lever for him."

And that's just the second comment.

no way in hell is this going to happen. GOP spent too much of the last couple years pandering to racist demogogues re: immigration

Not if it's McCain, Shakey. Otherwise, I agree. See my link upthread about HRC's belief in her supposed "Hispanic Firewall" against Obama, which highlights exactly the same themes the GOP will try and exploit.

If McCain is selected as the Republican party’s nominee, I will not be able to vote for him, any more than I could vote for Hillary Clinton. I will leave my vote blank at the top of the ticket, or find a third party candidate to support

That's a funny article, Ned. But I think here is where lots of GOP voters will break ranks with the blogger, "hold their noses" and vote for McCain, rather than risk HRC as President. But we'll see.

In fact, I will enjoy watching right-wingers rail against McCain over the next few days. Let them be the party in disarray for a week.

its gonna be for more than a week - there are some deep, irreconcilable differences in the GOP right now

Yeah, but if McCain thumps Romney on Super Tuesday, I'm not sure Romney can go on (he has money, but he'll have a string of damaging setbacks).

I think here is where lots of GOP voters will break ranks with the blogger, "hold their noses" and vote for McCain, rather than risk HRC as President.

Thus my comment about how this is the state of things right this second, not necessarily down the road, you see.

what will the lot of you if HRC is the nominee and not Obama? will you hold your noses and vote "for the sake of the party"?

*what will the lot of you do

no we're all gonna switch parties and vote for McCain, smarty

wouldn't surprise me

i don't know what i'll do, honestly

I voted for my dad once.

if HRC is the nominee I won't vote for her. My district will go for her overwhelmingly I'm sure, so I might not even bother voting in the GE if that's the case.

definitely anticipating the dem debate tomorrow, like unreasonably so

Florida no longer allows write-ins; if it did, I'd write "Dan's dad," "Oliver Wendell Holmes," or "Henry Wallace."

not voting is just about the dumbest thing you can do, IMO. i'm sure the Florida poll workers appreciate it though, right before they throw your ballot in the trash

(It was the '92 election; I didn't like either Bush I or Clinton so I wrote in my dad.)

hahaha

oh man, i was hoping for HRC/JMcC morphing action

maybe i should do it

Ladies and gentlemen, McCain Derangement Syndrome.

F'n Maureen Dowd, huh?

not voting is just about the dumbest thing you can do, IMO

my district is probably the most solidly Democratic district in the country, it doesn't matter who I vote for in the GE.

It doesn't matter how many times you say that Shakey, civics classes have brainwashed the masses.

not voting is just about the dumbest thing you can do

The Dems and Repubs resurrect Hitler and Stalin in 2012; what does Mr. Que do?

"hold the nose and vote fer Joze"

morbs that would be a good comparison if hillary clinton or john mccain resembled hitler or stalin in any way

your morals are so pure they might as well be invisible

I don't give a shit about whether people vote for the two main parties or for someone else but, given that voting is the current mechanism for registering your opinion on governmental policy, not voting to me means you've abdicated all rights to complain about or disagree with what decisions elected officials make.

If you voted for Nader, you have every right to complain about the President. If you didn't vote, shut the fuck up.

xp: I knew that was comin', I'm sorry it was you though.

I'm coming to think civil disobedience (and judiciously applied violence) are looking like much more efficient mechanisms than voting.

From Ned's linked blog:

The Surge is responsible for the vastly improved situation in Iraq and for our consequentially improved situation globally. The other two (NB: Guantanamo and torture) are of marginal importance by comparison.

This man has a strange worldview. The Surge has "vastly improved our situation globally", but Gitmo and torture presumably have little bearing on our global situation at present?!

not voting to me means you've abdicated all rights to complain about or disagree with what decisions elected officials make.

Does this mean illegal immigrants can't complain about elected officials?

Or prisoners?

Or children? (sorry, I'll stop)

I'm coming to think civil disobedience (and judiciously applied violence)

can't have it both ways!

yeah we really stopped that iraq war dead in its tracks didn't we

sorry, i usually agree about protest and civil disobedience but its utter failure to stop the war is pretty dispiriting to me

as for judiciously applied violence, uh good luck with that

you guys, you're so cute

ha ha i should qualify what i said above with the fact that i lived in a state in 2000 that was gonna go for bush no matter what so i voted for nader, so ha ha that ended up about as good as voting for Felix Frankfurter

If it's HRC v. McCain, McCain wins, it's that simple. Obama has to somehow pull off the Dem. nomination.

bill i'm curious -- do you say that because of the media dynamic, or is there something else?

G00blar: yes, yes and yes. The attendant clarifications are:

1) Illegal immigrants who become legal citizens should have their opinions listened to. I am not particularly bothered one way or the other by what happens to illegal aliens; I don't think they should be kicked out of the country but, conversely, I don't think they should have the same rights as American citizens. Immigration laws should be changed to deal with this (and no I don't have the magic answer).

2) Prisoners should have all of their rights as American citizens reinstated once they have satisfied the terms of their incarceration.

3) Children? Come on now.

dan what about the opposite argument: if you voted you shouldn't complain about bush winning. you played the game and lost.

i think if you pax taxes you should get to vote, it's kinda one of the founding principles of america

complaining: also a founding principle of america