2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

The only positive thing I can think of that McCain might get out of 'suspending' his campaign, is that his decision will tend to dominate one news cycle. Also, it might briefly distract journalists from reporting his actual positions on the economy.

did none of you guys see Clinton on the Daily Show loudly & ringingly endorsing Obama? I know ppl are enamored of this "Clinton wants McCain to win" idea, but it's flatly untrue

― J0hn D., Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:57 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

1 day after being called out by chris rock for not mentioning obamas name once on letterman

clinton is at the v least conflicted abt this campaign

Clinton is also adept at the culture wars. He's 'Bubba' from Arkansas who isn't so elite (despite being a Rhodes Scholar) that he can't understand what the flyover people find attractive in Palin. I have no idea as to his sincerity, but I'm inclined to think it's sly of him to help diffuse the 'how-dare-you-librulls-attack-Sarah' resentment on the right.

bill - he's a heartbreaker ain't he

Bill Clinton is an asshole.

diffuse or defuse?

both!

d-fuse

Alfred otm

He's also a huge fan of Peter Brotzmann. Doesn't quite balance out welfare repeal, the 1996 anti-terrorism act, the 1994 crime bill, racist shit while campaigning for Hils, etc. etc.

The only thing a young pol can learn from Clinton is how to to watch your self-regard curdle into self-delusion.

how does he watch that?

ah yes, who can forget bill clinton's infamous racism

stfu capn save-a-hilz

how does he watch that?

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I half agree with you Alfred but it does bear reminding that he is the only Democrat to win the White House in the last 30 years.

WJ Clinton is like the Democratic Mike Huckabee

If that's how you win the WH as a "Democrat," you can have it. But let's not talk about unpleasant things.

and what a glorious "win" it was, thanks to Ross Perot

it's nice to know you and morbius are on the same page about SOMETHING, ethan

ask ricky ray rector about clinton's racism. ask the NAACP who sued him in the 80s for failing to endorse the voting rights act in arkansas. ask the white voters he pandered to when saying "white people have to pay for black peoples problems because we lost".

man people still freak out over everything Bill Clinton says, don't they

? Mr. Que, Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:00 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ethan otm

(just proving to my Secret Boyfriend that im not banned, bye)

After he was sued in the late 1980s by the NAACP's Legal Defense Fund for failing to enforce the Voting Rights Act in Arkansas, then-Gov. Bill Clinton suggested to a group of pro-segregation whites that they were being unfairly targeted by civil rights laws as a result of the South's loss in the Civil War.

"The meeting turned sour when one of the local whites demanded to know why, in his view, the whites were always made to pay for others' problems. Other whites in the group began to echo his charge. ..." "Bill Clinton, the lead defendant in the case, took to the podium to respond. In a tone of resignation, Clinton said, 'We have to pay because we lost.'" Clinton was referring to the South's Civil War loss.

so weak

he also complained abt having the race card played on him - never a good sign

tracer you know the blog phrase "IOIARDI", for "it's ok if a republican does it"? you seem to have an acute case of "it's ok if clinton does it"

and what a glorious "win" it was, thanks to Ross Perot

Actually, I meant '96. Whatever else you can say about him and I admire his political sense more than his actual policies many of which I found abhorent, he limited the damage Newt's Congress might have inflicted on us.

Back to regularly scheduled programming.

Douthat:

McCain's gamble may be politically smart, or it may be politically stupid, but like almost everything that's happened in this campaign since the two candidates locked up their respective nominations, it's primarily interesting on a tactical level; its substantive import is close to nil. Both McCain and Obama are almost certain, at this point, to end up supporting whatever bailout compromise is hashed out in Congress, which means that we'll be able to add the current economic crisis to the list of issues where the two candidates have managed to avoid anything like a sustained argument about policy. It's the Russo-Georgian War all over again: McCain responds boldly/impulsively, Obama responds carefully/overcautiously, but they both end up saying roughly the same thing, and the pundit class goes back to obsessing about whatever shocking poll or web ad has been released that day.

he enabled the election of newts congress too

he enabled newts erection

douthat more like asshat right

douchehat

i mean whats a douth anyway ????

i do wonder why camp O was not making a bigger deal out of the five principles they wanted included in the joint statement that mccain vetoed. they were good! they're probably going to be in the final bill! they're nothing like the half-assed complaining-points that mccain aired out this morning!

Hah. Deny that the last 24 hours haven't been a lot of fun as theater; that's all it is. Meanwhile I gotta sit here and watch my mutual funds get finagled by the same ugly men and women who fucked up the first time. Barney Frank, don't finagle my funds.

dude get an index fund stop paying money to asshats

they were good!

Aren't they pretty much the same as Bush's?

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ok you win gabb you can memorize dkos acronyms better than me

lol

they were pretty similar to the stipulations dudes like robert reich have been pushing all week

xps IOIARDI has a cool umberto eco ring to it tho

ok it was way less technical than the reich stuff, i see

First, there must be oversight. We should not hand over a blank check to the discretion of one man. We support an independent, bipartisan board to ensure accountability and complete transparency.

Second, we need to protect taxpayers. There should be a path for taxpayers to recover their money, and to turn a profit if Wall Street prospers.

Third, no Wall Street executive should profit from taxpayer dollars. This plan cannot be a welfare program for CEOs whose greed and irresponsibility has contributed to this crisis.

Fourth, we must help families who are struggling to stay in their homes. We cannot bail out Wall Street without helping millions of families facing foreclosure on Main Street.

Fifth, we both agree that this financial rescue package should move on its own without any earmarks or other measures. We have different views about the need for other action, but this must be a clean bill.

This is a time to rise above politics for the good of the country. We cannot risk an economic catastrophe. This is not a Democratic problem or a Republican problem - this is an American problem. Now, we must find an American solutions.

In the History of The Corner, I'm Told We've Made Whole Nations Deaf [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

Just received this e-mail:

Sent: Thu 9/25/2008 11:32 AM
To: Kathryn Lopez
Subject: Deafening silence on Palin train wreck

Yesterday you wrote that "Many readers relay that they'd like McCain to just offer Palin step in for him."

Yeah, she's so good that, in the now 18 hours since her train wreck with Katie Couric last night, not one word has posted at the Corner concerning that interview. NOT ONE WORD.

Bad news just doesn't exist in your world, does it? Just close your eyes and maybe it will go away.

Yes, bad news doesn't exist in my world. Which is why I criticized McCain yesterday — bad news — which brought me scores of e-mails from angry conservatives who thought the McCain move was brilliant — not good news until it proves true.

Actually, I'm just sitting here wishing Sarah Palin could have married Mitt Romney — then these Christianists could rule a Brave New Theocracy together and I wouldn't have to pay attention to another politician again.

But I digress.

Everytime there's not a post on something — from a presidential hiccup to the Emmys — I will inevitably get an e-mail about the "deafening silence" of "The Corner." I watched Katie with Sarah last night. And I found the whole thing jarring (and not because it was a "train wreck" on Palin's part — it wasn't). The CBS Evening News is sitting on an interview through Monday? At a moment like this? When everyone's complaining Palin isn't talking about the press? All substance of the part of the interview she deemed to show us last night was trumped by what a bad programming decision I thought not showing it all is.

I think the whole interview may be online — I think Couric said it is. I haven't made it there to find yet. If I, who live on the Internet, did not watch it yet, I don't think most Americans will be.

I did mention the Great Depression talk yesterday here, FWIW, and Amity Shlaes, an expert on just that, commented in an interview with me up this morning.

hahahahahaha

Perot ran in '96 too but we've been over this. Clinton never won a majority.

many x-posts

Clinton won the Electoral College, which is all that matters

i liked him better when he was fat

dukakis got more votes in 88 than clinton in 92, DLC fans

Clinton won the Electoral College, which is all that matters

I think popular vote does matter when dissembling before a supposedly "brilliant" politician who fucked up plenty and was never all that great a politician to begin with. Clinton's capacity for "connecting" with the people is habitually overestimated.

i liked him better when he was fat

― flyover statesman (will), Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:48 PM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

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