Police have only stated that inquiries are ongoing following an allegation of verbal racial abuse at the store. No one has been arrested or spoken to.Police were called to the Bulwark Estate at around lunchtime on Monday, over concerns for the welfare of a woman - believed to be Ms Loyau-Kennet.
So, probably not her right?
― cardamon, Sunday, 6 July 2014 12:07 (nine years ago) link
A 30-metre (100ft) wide sinkhole has opened up in county Durham in the north-east of England, and it is so deep that its bottom cannot be seen.
The gaping void, thought to be the result of mine workings, was discovered on Thursday by Sam Hillyard, a Durham University academic, at Cowshill, in the rural area of Weardale – and it has since grown three times as big.
― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Monday, 25 August 2014 14:49 (nine years ago) link
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/01/rotherham-child-sex-abuse-difficult-questions
― Mordy, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 03:52 (nine years ago) link
ffs
― woof, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 08:54 (nine years ago) link
here we go
― imago, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 08:55 (nine years ago) link
don't bother looking at the details slavoj, i know you're busy.
― woof, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 08:55 (nine years ago) link
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lol
― intelligent, expressive males within the greater metropolitan (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 08:59 (nine years ago) link
fuck i just got trolled by Žižek. I should know better
― woof, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 09:05 (nine years ago) link
Looking forward to The Pervert's Guide to Television abt Jim'll Fix It
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 09:08 (nine years ago) link
"rhymes", aye alright slavoj
― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 09:27 (nine years ago) link
― woof, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 09:55 (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
these details being?
― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 15:08 (nine years ago) link
everything in the report basically - it's a really horrible messy story ft. terrible abuse, misogyny, class contempt, racial/cultural anxiety, a combo of managerialism & cuts screwing over decent projects, and the occasional suggestion of active corruption on the part of the police or council. idk, big-theory pontificating feels a poor response to it.
(it's here - about a hundred pages less appendices, manageable.)
― woof, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 15:25 (nine years ago) link
this isn't a 'response,' it is merely zizek using this story to illustrate his general critique of liberalism via communitarianism, rotherham alongside the vatican, ciudad juarez, british columbia etc etc
the criticisms that he gets facts wrong or lacks inductive rigour are mostly overstated like the ludicrous plagiarism scandal of the other week
since as pontiff he naturally lacks perfect knowledge of all of his many domains (usa, france, uk, slovenia, germany.....) there will always be a degree of crudity or error
unless he is demonstrably and materially incorrect in his facts it is not especially relevant that he is not going into any detail (nevermind that it is an op-ed piece anyway)
zizek would surely categorise the liberal injunction to 'respond' to be as vapid and self-serving as the purely rhetorical denials of the prelate, the particularist response to isolated, predictable failures of a general program, made without reference to that program
― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 16:36 (nine years ago) link
He isn't wrong much; it doesn't matter if he's wrong on details he's a big-picture guy; it was an op-ed piece; particularism is vapid. Borrowed kettles!
I am a particularist. I don't mind big broad join-the-dots opinions/pontificating sometimes (though here I am not persuaded – the institutional unconscious talk does seem divorced from detail - but I don't generally get on with psych/lacan angles tbh), accept that isolating this as just a local or practical failure is an institutional defensive strategy & think 'universal struggle' is a good ideal, but it didn't seem well-connected to what I've read on rotherham. So it didn't seem very good.
I'd hope the pontiff would make sure he'd talked to local ecclesiastics before he said his bit. make sure the cathedra isn't a bit wobbly.
'response' was lazy of me, yeah.
isolated, predictable failures of a general program
which program do you mean here?
― woof, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 12:17 (nine years ago) link
so what are the important details he is missing
the program is communitarianism
― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 12:25 (nine years ago) link
Bystanders have claimed a man was seen 'walking down the road cutting the head off a cat' before the incident took place.
Rickie Benson, a builder working up the road from the horror scene, said: "I heard there was a man walking up the road cutting the head off a cat.
― nakh is the wintour of our diss content (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:20 (nine years ago) link
xp sorry, slow replies, no time lately - I just don't think his article tallies with the report, or with what people who've picked through it & have some experience have been saying, eg:https://storify.com/God_loves_women/wise-thoughts-on-rotherham
― woof, Friday, 5 September 2014 10:02 (nine years ago) link
Has there been any discussion on the new internet obscenity laws which have been effective since the 1st? The law makes video on demand depictions of certain legal sexual acts illegal. The law seems pretty arbitrary in deciding which acts should be banned.
This gives an overview of the law changes: http://obscenitylawyer.blogspot.co.uk/ Link is definitely NSFW and is biased.
I don't live in the UK and I have no personal interest in this sort of pornography, so this law does not affect me. However, I am a big fan of free speech and I worry about internet freedom in the future.
― monster_xero, Wednesday, 3 December 2014 19:32 (nine years ago) link
These laws have been in force for many years in relation to DVDs. What the new regulations do is extend that policy to 'TV-like' video on demand services. There seems to be a lot of confusion over what that means in practice but various websites have already been excluded from that bracket. There is no bar on watching such material unless it conflicts with pre-existing laws on sexual violence and the like. It looks like it might put UK porn producers at a competitive disadvantage vs their US rivals depending on what delivery platform they use but it's nowhere near as restrictive as the law in Australia, for example. It doesn't seem likely to change a great deal.
Judging from Twitter, it seems to be more of interest to people outside the UK than inside.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 21:32 (nine years ago) link
i know twitter is a vile ocean of hatred etc but with gerry mccann trending this morning, i clicked his blue hyperlinked name to see why, and apparently there's like a huge rolling gang of people who think he killed his daughter? is this a thing in general in this country? i know there was the media storm about it and he and his wife were declared as suspects by the portuguese police, but i've never met anyone irl who actually holds the view that they were responsible.
https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Gerry%20McCann%22&src=tren
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 08:19 (eight years ago) link
I think a lot of edgy turds on the internet think he did? Or get a kick out of saying that he did, like it means they're Frankie Boyle or something.
― Todd Palin in snowmobile crash (I know it's serious) (stevie), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 08:29 (eight years ago) link
it seems to be like wall to wall - maybe it's a kind of troll community.
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 08:32 (eight years ago) link
It's a really big thing on an awful lot of forums imo, it seems to come up when they do another new round of publicity tours. Search "grief whore" in other places and you might well find what I mean.
This wave seems to have been triggered by Gerry's tweet saying that he was touting for exclusives of the 10th anniversary "My Hell" stories, and the commencement of the tv tour to drive up interest.
― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 08:38 (eight years ago) link
Presumably they're doing all of that to keep their daughter's disappearance in the news, maybe pay for investigations etc? I guess they could feasibly have made some money out of it all though.
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 08:51 (eight years ago) link
is this a thing in general in this country?
It was at the time, there were plenty of jokes about it. It was his wife though who seemed to have offended a lot of idiots by not appearing to be sufficiently distraught.
― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 09:00 (eight years ago) link
It is a staple of the Web detective community, which is huge. Lots of people have gone over the published evidence and decided they did it, without any actual info on other theories the police might be working.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 09:01 (eight years ago) link
a similar community emerged with the Amanda Knox case IIRC, truly the dregs of the web
― Gaz upon my works ye mighty, and despair (Neil S), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 09:07 (eight years ago) link
I think most of the suspicion comes from the obsession they have with Goncalo Amaral, even to the point when they made petitions to the court in his divorce settlement, and the amount of money they spent on the injunction against his book.
― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 09:08 (eight years ago) link
yeah it feels like a really grim army
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 09:23 (eight years ago) link
That's it in a nutshell. I dislike the kind of people who get obsessed with this topic. On the other hand I don't personally dismiss the idea that there may be something fishy about the case. That's as far as I'll go. I just don't know either way so generally keep my mouth shut.
― dubmill, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 09:34 (eight years ago) link
Just to check, the 'they' in aldo's comment is the McCanns though? Not that there's any right way to go wrong after something like this* happens to you.
*both the kid's disappearance and the media circus.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 09:47 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, the 'they' is the McCanns. Various figures were thrown around at the time about how much they spent on the injunction, but people like Carter-Ruck don't come cheap.
I only read Amaral's book to see what was so exposing in it that they fought so hard (especially, as his defence team stated, they hadn't pursued other books before or after even if the titles were more provocative against the McCanns) and mainly because it's a very short read. The biggest thing which stood out to me, and in no way implies guilt, is how unco-operative the McCanns were with the police at the time; cancelling a witness interview because you didn't want to reschedule a tennis pro session is one detail that I remember.
― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 10:09 (eight years ago) link
I think you have two groups - ones that are fixated on the McCann's specifically who, for whatever reason, are obsessed with 'bringing them to justice' and a broader element of web sleuths who don't really care that much but think it's a jolly good mystery to be pored over and solved. As ever, the neatest theory implicates the parents. People have always done this, though - the only real difference is you couldn't @ Charles Lindburgh or John Ramsey.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 11:14 (eight years ago) link
Obviously nothing should be surprising any more but every paper in the land splashing the photo of a nurse over their front pages with allegations she’s a serial killer of children, interviewing her neighbours, trying to speak to her parents, etc, etc prior to her being charged with anything seems like an extraordinary abuse.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2018 08:49 (five years ago) link
some scummy stuff on Newsnight yesterday: trawling one of the novichok victim's private social media comments, and just generally not allowing her any privacy/dignity because she has addiction problems and was living in a halfway house, then obv you can run roughshod over her seems to be the rules.
― calzino, Friday, 6 July 2018 09:12 (five years ago) link
I thought trial by press undermined any further trial. Meant yo weren't going to get an objective jury etc.Or that any jury would already be swayed & hope that does still mean something.
― Stevolende, Friday, 6 July 2018 09:15 (five years ago) link
There are certain restrictions on what can be said in relation to active police cases but, by and large, it's not against the rules to identify people who have been arrested. This wouldn't be the case in other countries, necessarily, where you can only call a suspect by their first name and the initial of their surname, not their full details, address, etc.
This case is different in some respects to most murder investigations, in that it's not entirely clear at this stage whether any crime has actually been committed. The investigation covers both whether there have been any murders and, if so, who might be responsible for them.
Additionally, the nature of the allegations - that someone is suspected of killing 10+ children, should probably mean there's a moral case for not identifying anyone until there's enough evidence to charge them. In this one, the suspect has been released on bail and hasn't been charged with anything. It seems enormously dangerous to put her details out there.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 6 July 2018 09:30 (five years ago) link
yeah , I remember stories of confusion about the prefix paed causing people to be attacked so something as directed as that sounds does sound dangerous. & deeply irresponsible.
― Stevolende, Friday, 6 July 2018 09:34 (five years ago) link
you'd have thought things would've changed since this guy
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2014/03/26/20/pg-35-jefferies-2-pa.jpg
― I'd Rather Kecak (NickB), Friday, 6 July 2018 09:37 (five years ago) link
Interesting legal stuff happening today:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/15/gangsters-who-drove-billy-kid-fatal-gun-fight-convicted-murder/
Seems to be the first case of its kind in England - three men convicted of murder after a fourth who was with them was shot by (unidentified) men they were shooting at. Almost guaranteed to end up in the Supreme Court, not sure it’ll hold up. Some of the news reports have mentioned ‘transferred malice’, which would normally be the case if you shot someone and hit someone else accidentally, not when you shoot someone and they shoot back, hitting someone else. It’ll potentially be a very significant precedent if it is upheld.
Separately, the first tv broadcast of a murder sentencing has taken place.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/27/old-bailey-trial-televised-first-time-ever-judge-sentences-man/
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 15 August 2022 20:08 (one year ago) link