TRUE DETECTIVE on hbo - matthew mcconaughey, woody harrelson, michelle monaghan, fukunaga, pizzolatto

However, I still am all too happy to read commentary on Top Chef. That never gets old.

omg how could this not suck?? I trust you've found the one forum that's not all armchair-foodie O4U

I was totally off in my upthread analysis of this show, based on assumptions about what I thought was going to happen so yeah premature overthinking is probably best kept to oneself

my favorite aspect of recap culture is tv critics whining about netflix's model, the idea that maybe there are other ways to write tv criticism than 'recap plot w/ asides about what worked and didn't work and maybe some bullet points of really awesome moments/lines at the end', and the general being completely out of touch w/ marathoning being how ALOT of tv is watched nowadays.

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totes

Beginning Season One in five minutes!

whaaaat

don't have HBO see

don't check back in on this thread til you've finished and maybe not even then.

yeah unlike some other shows i think the internet speculation and the ability to get some kind of confirmation for any red herring you feel like following really didn't do anything to enhance the show.

Just finished S1 last nice. Really great and eerie and all but for some reason in found the falling-apart family stuff to be the most unsettling.

Notes:

1. What a novelty to watch McConougheyhey play a role requiring intelligence and pungency, and he savors every word.

2. The episode in which Cohle and Hart visit their respective whores = yawn. Heterosexual fantasies on film/sex demand wives and whores,
filmed and written in the most pedantic ways.

3. The intensity of a couple of scenes -- the interrogation in the third episode -- reminded me of Todd Haynes, particularly Safe: a clammy hermetic intensity.

So...good show! Didn't care for the final chase -- straight outta too many movies -- and am OK with the final chat b/c the show is about a reasonably intelligent man trying to mesh with a man w/a loose crew but whose intelligence is unavoidable. The allusions to supernatural mishmash are MacGuffins, so who cares. I love the production design. Cohle's bar looks like restaurants I've visited in rural Durham: a house turned into a bar or mediocre BBQ shack.

Oh -- I've read three quarters of this thread and no outside "thinkpieces" because TV show analysis is fucking terrible.

this thread is terrible too

ithe show is about a reasonably intelligent man trying to mesh with a man w/a loose crew but whose intelligence is unavoidable.

love this, it gets the thing that really made the show work for me which is how well done the marty character is.

otm

lol thanks guys -- hope the comment still makes sense when I meant "screw"

hah yup i figured it out as enjoyable a phrase as "loose crew" is

I think in Louisiana, they're called "krewes".

...

OMG this show

just started rewatching s01 with the girlfriend. just as good 2nd time around.

HBO made some official statement denying plagiarism and Thomas Ligotti's fans are pissed about it because they say some of the pessimistic dialogue is near identical to some of Ligotti's passages.
I think there was also some people saying it lifted from specific writing of Alan Moore or Grant Morrison too.

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/7/5975769/true-detective-a-work-of-plagiarism-a-guide

http://takimag.com/article/fake_detective_ann_sterzinger/print#axzz39ck6v4Qk

Also there was an MTV article saying "you can't steal from a book"

No links to takimag plz

lol nerds

I know nothing about Takimag other than this article

Make sure you keep it that way

Why are you so anti-tmag?

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Well, I mean besides that?

man what happened to ann sterzinger

I should have clarified about that MTV article that said "you can't steal from a book". Rather than meaning you shouldn't steal, the writer was saying it isn't possible to steal from a book!

holy shit @ 10 Great Things About Young Nannies

COHLE: It’s all one gutter, man. A giant gutter in outer space.

“…in the black-foaming gutters and back alleys of paradise, in the dank windowless gloom of some galactic cellar, in the hollow pearly whorls found in sewerlike seas, in starless cities of insanity, and in their slums . . .” (“The Frolic,” Thomas Ligotti)

COHLE: And other times I thought I was seeing straight into the true heart of things.

“…horrible ‘inner Truth’ of things.” (CATHR on Conrad’s “Heart of Darkness”, p. 108)

This is not plagiarism. And the other examples are not much stronger.

yeah this sucks

And the best thing is that he acknowledged wording some lines as a homage to Ligotti, but they are still mad because he only admitted it after the lines had aired...

I think there was also some people saying it lifted from specific writing of Alan Moore or Grant Morrison too.

I wish people would read threads before posting to them, the Moore lift has been discussed here like 5 different times, and every time it's some new poster saying, "hey, did you guys hear this series copied Alan Moore?".

But in case you missed, the relevant part of the thread starts here:

TRUE DETECTIVE on hbo - matthew mcconaughey, woody harrelson, michelle monaghan, fukunaga, pizzolatto

I guess with Moore you could argue the case for plagiarism is stronger, because he didn't just borrow some general concepts and expressions (which most writers do), he borrowed the whole heartwarming parable that summarizes and concludes the story.

I skipped a lot of this thread because ppl started writing essays about how they would have written and made their version of a show I was watching tbf

Yeah, I don't blame you, but it's not that hard to ctrl+f the word "Moore".

true, true

I believe the contention is that Pizzolatto plagiarised Ligotti's ideas rather than his exact phrasing. He seems pretty shady and disingenous about his source material in general though. All that "Faulkner and the King James Bible are my real influences" stuff when asked about Robert Chambers

um theres no such thing as plagiarizing ideas

yes there is

should I fetch a dictionary?

u shd fetch a sign that says hi im dumb and dont understand art and then tape it to yrself

can't remember last time someone tried to zing lagúna its like hitting the landlord from kung fu hustle why would you do it

It's ok to admit you were wrong man. ftr I think the whole thing is overblown and a a charge of plagiarism is very difficult to apply to a tv show that draws from many different sources, but I also think it's becoming increasingly clear that Pizzolatto is a bit of a hack who got lucky

did u plagiarize ur shtick from some other intolerable mannered passive aggressive guy or did u just get lucky

I'm just another tragic misstep in evolution

yeah i read the article with the side by side comparisons and it's like, er, u kno that's not plagiarism rite