Louie (Louis C.K.'s show on FX)

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honestly don't see anything unbelievable about his behavior - wrongheaded, sure, but there are lots of folks like him IRL. he's convinced himself she is his soul-mate for some reason and her spurning him just makes him desire her more, because he doesn't really want her, he's after the elusive Pamela-totem. so any of her negative behavior towards him doesn't really dissuade him at all. maybe the passive aggression is her way of trying to hope she finally makes him give up?

I remember having a period like this in my own life when I was 19, lonely, naïve, and depressed, and there was a friend of mine who I thought I was in love with who kept clearly telling me "it won't happen" and I kept hearing "maybe" anyway, and kept telling her how I felt for a period of two years, until I alienated her so much that we drifted apart. she wasn't pass-agg like Pamela, but she could have been and it wouldn't have mattered.

Neanderthal, Sunday, 29 June 2014 12:59 (nine years ago) link

it doesn't seem like pamela is trying to spurn louie anymore, but she's still being a dick

Treeship, Sunday, 29 June 2014 15:17 (nine years ago) link

i'm not quite done w/ season 2 yet so I'm still a bit behind

Neanderthal, Sunday, 29 June 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link

all this aside. Pamela's totally the funniest character on this show. She's a lot funnier than the actual comedians.

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 15:20 (nine years ago) link

Yeah well the couple of stand ups I know aren't particularly funny IRL.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 15:45 (nine years ago) link

what you think they're gonna give away quality laughs for free

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 15:49 (nine years ago) link

Spent some time contemplating this show the other day and came to the measured conclusion that the funniest moment was Ricky Gervais fingering Louie's butthole.

Dan I., Tuesday, 1 July 2014 17:19 (nine years ago) link

i'd have to think about it some more but first impulse is "i diarrheaed in the tub"

balls, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 18:45 (nine years ago) link

I agree that the Pamela stuff for the past couple of episodes seems to stretch past ball-busting and into near-abuse, to the point where I was rooting for Louis to just *give up* on her already. It makes the relationship feel not-quite-right, which may be the intended effect for all I know.

Still think the funniest moment was in S2 when he's apartment shopping with Pamela and he sees the homeless dude on the street get swapped out for a different homeless dude by mysterious suitmen.

zchyrs, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 23:02 (nine years ago) link

http://www.vulture.com/2014/07/californication-pamela-adlon-interview-louie-rape-scene-tv-recap-culture-debbie-harry.html
key quotes:

It’s been four seasons, and I still can’t decide if I even like Pamela.
Yeah, when we were fleshing out the season and he told me I threw away his furniture, I was like, Okay now, she’s like a monster! A crazy person would throw away somebody’s furniture.

And the fact people were talking about, Did Louie try to rape Pamela? Was that a rape? Or calling it rape straight-out, which was nuts, because I never saw it like that, because they had this kind of over-the-edge connection and relationship. They do a push-me/pull-me thing. I know that one thing that motivates Louis and drives him is characters that don’t explain why they do what they do. You just see things happen and play out, and you don’t get a neat little button at the end of it. Pamela and Louie are both as flawed as the next person, it’s not cut and dry.

The notion that we’re being careless and putting some kind of dangerous message out is offensive to me. But I can’t help what people feel and what reaction they give to things. I said something to Louis at the beginning of this season, which was that when we’re doing stuff, more than going for a laugh or anything — or a reaction — we’re going for a feeling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUsXjqkCo8o
adlon at 1.15 in a wizard costume opposite a mohawked johnny depp

three weeks pass...

Renewed for another season (only 7 episodes, but maybe they're long ones), starting next Spring.

LA Times

nickn, Thursday, 24 July 2014 05:31 (nine years ago) link

ultimately

this season...

i felt like the hungarian romance was wayyyy too drawn-out... it could have been a two-epper and had the same impact.

that is all.

socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 24 July 2014 13:48 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

Been rewatching S4 - works better if you ignore the episode titles and treat it as a long episodic movie of sorts, if that makes any sense. I thought it was a lesser season at first but there are just so many amazing scenes. I agree that the Amia plot could have happened over fewer episodes, but those also contained the Louie/Janice material, which was all dynamite.

Simon H., Saturday, 18 October 2014 04:45 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

i haven't read this thread and i just saw the episode where he goes on a date with parker posey and they wind up on the rooftop.
it was chilling -- i have no idea what was going on or what exactly is up with her, only that it definitely wasn't what he or we were seeing. when her facial expression changed? yikes. i don't think i'll forget that.

La Lechera, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link

i trust you haven't seen the other posey eps then. it gets complicated.

a stupid red mute juggalo (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 20:51 (nine years ago) link

no, i saw the one where she was working in the bookstore (months ago) and i remembered her being charming and smart. then last night we were like oh yeah let's watch louie and she went into the bar, and then the clothing store, then the stairs and i just feel sad and confused about it now. the episode with the suicidal alcoholic friend had the same effect on me. maybe these ppl are like one grade too real.

La Lechera, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 20:53 (nine years ago) link

parker posey (and chloe sevigny) eps are the peak of this show imo

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 20:56 (nine years ago) link

idk man, he's got a real weird relationship with women and it's probably my least favorite aspect of his comedy.

festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 21:12 (nine years ago) link

kinda agree? the fat girl ep was partic lame

a stupid red mute juggalo (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 21:12 (nine years ago) link

he definitely has a weird relationship with women

La Lechera, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 21:14 (nine years ago) link

the opening bit to this ep was about how small women must go around feeling like they're getting sprayed in the face with jizz because men can't help but objectifying them

it really grossed me out!

La Lechera, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 21:15 (nine years ago) link

can't believe i typed that but i also couldn't believe he was saying it so

La Lechera, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 21:16 (nine years ago) link

yeah I think that's pretty clear. He seems to be aware of it on some level.

xxp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 21:16 (nine years ago) link

the fat girl ep and ensuing thinkpieces were p weird to me in that Louie seemed to get credit for "giving" agency to this character for giving her the opportunity to spout a monologue (the authorship of which I don't recall - did he write it?) and then have the character promptly disappear never to be seen again (which, granted, is not unusual at all for this show but still)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 21:18 (nine years ago) link

in his stand-up there's a lot of stuff that's really self-loathing with regard to heterosexual relationships and put into general women/men terms, i often find myself thinking "nah i think this is just very specific to your issues, dude."

festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 21:31 (nine years ago) link

and i appreciate comedy and art that's vulnerable and specific, but it's precisely because it comes off as not self-aware that it bothers me.

festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 21:32 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

Louis CK of course killed it tonight. But best of all, he brought along as special unbilled openers (spoilers?) Steven Wright and Hannibal Buress. Wright is right on my wavelength, so I love everything he does. But Buress was absolutely on fire, just total genius jokes and delivery, best I've ever seen him.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 04:43 (nine years ago) link

"nah i think this is just very specific to your issues, dude."

There's a lot in his stuff that I very specifically relate to, soooo...

Simon H., Wednesday, 7 January 2015 05:00 (nine years ago) link

dude just sold out three nights at MSG and announced a fourth that i glommed a pair to.

shmup....smug....shmub....shmug.... (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 18 January 2015 16:33 (nine years ago) link

His current set is not the funniest or most incisive thing he has done, but he does show him finding ways to be funny and happy at the same time. Lots of jokes about animals this time out. Dogs, bats ...

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 January 2015 17:09 (nine years ago) link

honestly, more into seeing that than another season of louie at the moment!

shmup....smug....shmub....shmug.... (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 18 January 2015 23:42 (nine years ago) link

new, apparently "sillier" season of louie starts April 9. Eight eps this year

Simon H., Monday, 19 January 2015 00:32 (nine years ago) link

new special

https://louisck.net/purchase/live-at-the-comedy-store

Number None, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 19:11 (nine years ago) link

Hello. So below are my messy thoughts about my new special "Louis CK live at the Comedy Store" available here https://louisck.net/purchase/live-at-the-comedy-store for 5 dollars, all over the world...

So this is my sixth hour-long standup special. The truth is, I really love making these. I skipped doing one last year and I missed it. This one is different from the recent others. For one thing, it was shot in a nightclub instead of a theater. I love doing the theater shows. When I was a kid, my favorite thing in the world was Richard Pryor's concert films. The idea of being a comedian and doing a "concert" was a real goal for me. Performing in a theater expands your material and opens you up as a performer. The pressure of playing to thousands of people, I found, always makes you better. And every concert hall I've played has made me feel like I'm getting a whiff of that city or town's history. The whole thing can be very exhilarating.

But Nightclubs, comedy clubs, is where comedy is born and where comedy, standup comedy, truly lives. Going back to Abraham Lincoln, who was probably America's first comedian, Americans have enjoyed gathering at night in small packed (and once smokey) rooms, drinking themselves a bit numb and listening to each other say wicked, crazy, silly, wrongful, delightful, upside-down, careless, offensive, disgusting, whimsical things. Sometimes in long-winded, red faced hyperbole, sometimes in carefully crafted circular, intentionally false and misleading argument. Sometimes in well-chiseled perfectly timed trickery of verbiage. Pun-poetry. One line, one off, half thoughts. Half truths. Non-truths. Broad and hilariously wrongful generalizations, exaggerated prejudices and criticism of nothing and everything while a couple over here shares a pitcher of sangria, this table of guys order round after round of beers. These women over here are having vodka and cranberry. This guy drinks club soda and sits alone. He actually came for the comedy. It's a club. It's a bar. It's late at night. No one here is being responsible. These are the things we do when we are DONE working and being citizens. We go to a comedy club and pay a bit of money to laugh harder than we ever do anywhere else.

That is the standup comedy that I've been doing for almost thirty years. I have been working theater (and now arena) stages for the last nine of those thirty years but the amount of hours I've spent on a club stage outnumber the theater stage hours by more than I can figure.

I've been on comedy club stages probably more than I've stood on any other kind of spot in my entire life. I started in the Boston comedy scene, on ground that had been laid by great comedians like Steve Sweeney, Steven Wright, Barry Crimmins, Ron Lynch, Kevin Meany, Don Gavin, back in 1985 when I was 18 years old. I skipped college (still regret it), worked shitty jobs (will never regret that) and spent every single night at any comedy club in Boston I could finagle my way into. I would watch every single comedian and I would BEG to get on stage.

In 1989 I moved to New York. I discovered a bursting comedy club scene, where you could literally do 8 shows on a saturday night. (I remember Ray Romano held the record at 9 shows).

It was a glorious time for standup comedy clubs. Great comics everywhere. Colin Quinn. Mike Sweeney. Joy Behar. John Stewart. Charlie Barnett. Ray Romano. Dave Chapelle. Chris Rock. Brett Butler. Brian Regan.

All working out every night in clubs all over the city. There was the Improv on 44th street. On 1st Avenue, Catch a Rising Star and around the corner on 2nd ave, the Comic Strip (still there). Carolines was on the Seaport then. And in the Village we had the Comedy Cellar (still there), the Boston Comedy Club and the Village Gate.

I spent my early twenties bouncing from one stage to the other, from 8pm till about 4am, when Dave Attell, Kevin Brennan, Nick DiPaolo and I would head to a diner and eat breakfast.

The money was terrible. About ten dollars per show on the weeknights, fifty a show on the weekends. So every other week you had to leave town and work in another city. You'd go live in Atlanta, Columbus, Phoenix, Tampa, for a week. Most clubs would put you up in a condo behind the club and you'd work the whole week. Tuesday thru Sunday, two shows Friday, three shows Saturday. You could make about 700 a week as an opening act. A good headliner might make 2500 or 3,000 but that was rare. I worked in comedy clubs all over the country and I think I actually remember every single club. My favorite clubs were the smelly little beer soaked places with dim lighting and low ceilings. Go Bananas in Cincinnati. The Brokerage in Long Island (still there) Penguins in Cedar Rapids. The Comedy Underground in Seattle.

Then there were chain comedy clubs that were always too antiseptic and suburban. Some of them were literally inside of a mall next to a sunglass hut. The Improvs, the Funny Bones.

There were some comedy clubs around the country that were legendary. That lasted out the death of comedy in the 90s. The independent and truly great rooms where you can still smell the cigarette smoke exhaled by Bill Hicks. The Acme in Minneapolis. The Punchline in Atlanta. The Punchline (not related) in San Francisco. Cobbs in San Fran. The Laff Stop in Houston. Zanies in Chicago. Charlie Goodnights in Raleigh. The Comedy Works in Denver. These were the Meccas. When you could get a week at Acme, you know you could continue having the will to do this shit for another few months. A week at the Punchline in San Fran could get you through the next week at Harvey's in Portland.
There were club owners that were part of Comedy History. Who knew how to shape comedy. Mark Babbit, Lewis Lee, Manny Dworman, Lucien Hold, Silver Friedman, Bud Friedman, Ron Osborne, others.

I spent all of my mid to late 20s and thirties working out in places like these.

Later when I moved to Los Angeles, I discovered a scene out there that was creative and fun and also steeped in show business history. You could see Norm Macdonald. Charles Fleicher. Robert Schimmel.

In LA they have coffee houses and very cool rooms like Largo, where you can bring your notebook on stage and try just about anything.

People like Andy Kindler, Kathy Griffin, Patton Oswalt, Blaine Capatch, Craig Anton, Laura Kightlinger did outrageous stuff in those rooms.

I would sometimes go on stage at places like Mbar or Largo and come out with twenty minutes of new material, cheered on by the young, open and adaptive crowds of the "alternative" scene. But I never believed those jokes until I took them to the Improv, where the more average and basic character of the audience would cut the new material down to about three jokes.

And then there was the Comedy Store. I would take the last three remaining jokes to the store on Sunset. Maybe ONE of those would get a chuckle. And that joke, I knew, was the true treasure of the night.

I have always found the Comedy Store to be the most intimidating club of my life. It is what I thought comedy clubs to be when I listened to Lenny Bruce records as a kid. The black vinyl couches and chairs, the red formica stage. Andrew Dice Clay on stage playing to fifteen people in open defiance of their hatred and funny as hell. The Comedy Store is really show biz. As in Milton Berle with his bow tie undone around his neck show business. Mop your brow and say "tough crowd" show business. A guy being beaten up in the parking lot show business. The Comedy Store is where Pryor cut his teeth. Letterman fought to get spots there. George Carlin. Eddie Murphy. Marc Maron told me stories about living in the apartment behind the Store and how Sam Kinison pissed on his bed one night. This is the Comedy Store. The wonderful dark side of comedy.

The Comedy Store is the only club in the country that NEVER passed me when I auditioned. I auditioned at many clubs where I didn't pass but I always went back and finally did pass. The Comedy Store NEVER passed me. I just wasn't right for them. I didn't start working there until I became well known enough to circumvent the audition process. Until I became one of those guys who can just walk into a nightclub and go on stage.

So why did I shoot my new special in this place? I don't know. Maybe because, after thirty years of doing comedy, the most exciting feeling for me is going on stage, not entirely sure it's going to go well. To this day, when I work at the Store, I feel there's a one in three chance I might bomb. Like bomb hard. To a guy my age who has been doing it this long, that is exciting. So over the last tour I did this year, I started doing shows at the Comedy Store "Main room" to feel it out. The staff of the club is excellent and they really know how to run a traditional room. I loved working with them. Pauly Shore and his family were very gracious when we approached them about shooting my special there.

I really feel truly privileged to have shot this special on that stage.

Okay I didn't mean to write such a long thing about comedy clubs. The point is I prepared the material for this special on club stages. I went to the Cellar here in New York, and their new club, The Village Underground, about ten times a week with the occasional trip uptown to Gotham Comedy Club and "The Stand" on third avenue. I went out to LA to put that spin on it, working Largo, the Improv and finally the Comedy Store, hammering this stuff together in front of late night comedy club audiences. So it only seemed right to shoot it that way.

That's all. I hope you enjoy the special. Please see the movie "Boyhood". It's a great piece of filmmmaking and even literature. And take your kids to see "Into The Woods" It teaches the greatest lesson you could teach a kid: If you are paying attention, life is very confusing.

Thanks.

Louis CK

ps. I guess I didn't have to cancel the show at MSG tonight. I don't blame the mayor. That storm was a monster. We got lucky. When you consider the action taken by the government of entire north east, they got it right. To expect accuracy from each individual mayor is just too much.
For us in New York and us in my house and us at MSG it was overblown. But if you expand that "us" to everyone in the path is the storm, they were spot on. My family in Boston is part of us for me. So that's how I look at it.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 19:20 (nine years ago) link

promptly bought. the businessman on the airplane bit is v v funny.

Sounds like a forks display name (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 19:23 (nine years ago) link

Releasing this on a snow day when a lot of people on the EC are home from work is a savvy move

, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 19:54 (nine years ago) link

what makes louie brilliant is that louis knows there's greater things than LOLs

― it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Thursday, May 29, 2014 4:23 AM (8 months ago) Bookmark

Funny things are the greatest things which is why I hate his tv show. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone when I see people rave about it. And his standup has sucked for a couple years now at least.

Hungry4Ass, Friday, 30 January 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link

show is hit or miss, I too am perplexed by some of the rapturous praise for it, as if putting joke-less short films about angst-ridden new yorkers on tv under the guise of a comedy show is somehow groundbreaking or forward-thinking

Οὖτις, Friday, 30 January 2015 18:51 (nine years ago) link

Hint: it's not a comedy show. It's a show made by a comedian that is occasionally comedic.

Runny Trumpet (Old Lunch), Friday, 30 January 2015 18:54 (nine years ago) link

so, like GIRLS

Οὖτις, Friday, 30 January 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link

Hint: it's not a comedy show. It's a show made by a comedian that is occasionally comedic.

― Runny Trumpet (Old Lunch), Friday, January 30, 2015 1:54 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

I'm not stupid, Old Lunch. I know he's intending to make something unfunny... that doesn't make it cool to me...

Hungry4Ass, Friday, 30 January 2015 19:00 (nine years ago) link

i do think that a lot of the reaction to his show is condition positively and negatively by a load of expectations that are only obliquely satisfied.

I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 30 January 2015 19:00 (nine years ago) link

conditionED

i can't type today.

I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 30 January 2015 19:00 (nine years ago) link

I've seen this thing sometimes, perhaps on here, saying he's like brave or ballsy for not being funny... but I think if a funny guy can be Real & Funny instead of just Real (and the show does get pretty real), then that is a lot more impressive and worthwhile to me... Just one guy's take

Hungry4Ass, Friday, 30 January 2015 19:04 (nine years ago) link

Just one guy's take

you mean you are not speaking for the entire Hungry4Ass demographic?

I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 30 January 2015 19:04 (nine years ago) link

at his best he's a damn good and moving story teller. see the episode where his friend is contemplating suicide. but yeah some of them are just strung together bits which can be hit or miss.

Heez, Friday, 30 January 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link

I definitely prefer the earlier funnier series.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:21 (nine years ago) link

glad youse guys are here to inform me that i'm mistaken that i think this show is great, now i've seen the error of my ways i can get my life back on track, thanx shakey and canks

#Research (stevie), Saturday, 31 January 2015 22:04 (nine years ago) link


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