Grimes/Claire Boucher thread

n.b. i like the new track fine.

I haven't really dug around to read any supposed "backlash" but are people really surprised that she has gone hi-fi / come out of the bedroom after previously participating in huge tours with Skrillex and Diplo, signing to Roc Nation, and for many years now professing a love for a lot of major label pop music? Not only that but she played this song a few weeks ago at the Governor's Ball, cameraphone youtubes of which were posted by pitchfork et al, where the presence of a "drop" was fairly evident?

fwiw i don't think her album will all sound like this. I recall 'Go' being labelled on her Twitter as "different from regular Grimes" before she played it live, and the fact that the song is being given away as a free download at least 6-7 months before an actual album release seems to suggest it will eventually be relegated to bonus track status / a fun little anomaly à la 'Phone Sex'.

It doesn't happen more often with women musicians. You're imagining things.

o ok wow i'm convinced thanx

yeah grimes has written at length about how she is constantly patronised by dudes thinking she doesn't know what she's doing as a producer or that she doesn't know anything about musical equipment

oh yeah, that's totally an issue. i just think that the backlash against this song is a separate issue and i don't think there is anything inherently sexist about hoping her new album is more similar to her last album than to a skrillex album. it seems outrageously condescending to like, not criticize something you don't like because you think the artist's autonomy is so fragile it must be nurtured and supported at all costs.

on another note, i agree with monotony that i think her new album will sound totally different from both this single and anything she's released in the past. i hope to be surprised by her new album and i expect to be.

It's gonna be children of men jams crazy

i just think that the backlash against this song is a separate issue

Right. I get that people might be taken aback by a style shift as dramatic as this one, but the way some of the pushback has been phrased is the same as I've seen with other female artists—especially the ones who are active on social media. All these fans flock to them very quickly and then get really possessive and creepy about every move they make. Can I cite examples? Not really. It's just a tone I've picked up by following Marina & The Diamonds and Charli XCX and Betty Who and Sky Ferreira and MØ and whoever else and seeing the fawning messages of support turn when something they don't like happens.

yeah that sounds plausible. people are generally more vicious, abusive, and condescending when they discuss famous women than when they discuss famous men. but would these be the true fans though? i think there is probably also a contingent of (young) people who love grimes so much, and base part of their identities on this fandom, that the idea of her going mainstream feels like, personally threatening. this is how it's always been with cult figures, their fans are possessive.

Well to be fair, if you're going to make an argument about gender and it's role in the reception of musicians by their fans, you better have more in your arsenal than personal anecdotes and ~creepy feelings. Behind the scenes, yes, women aren't considered to be equals in the music business in 2014. However, that's a separate issue. Brian Wilson was recently taken to task by fans for working with people they deemed not worthy. Does that signal a trend in people trying to diminish the choices and will of people over 65? The original assertion is really reaching for the stars.

yeeaaaah I dunno. big fan of Visions but Go is pretty disappointing imo.

did video surface of her other 2 new songs performed at governor's ball? I love "go," but she's explicitly said it's different because she wrote it for Rihanna.

Well to be fair, if you're going to make an argument about gender and it's role in the reception of musicians by their fans, you better have more in your arsenal than personal anecdotes and ~creepy feelings.

god i love this. if you want to make claims about sexism, better have a DAMN good case, because if those accused of sexism aren't on message boards, trust that a public defender will be appointed.

I answered my own question and found vid of another new song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x96MxA9nXnA

sounds really good. couldn't find the other though

Like something from the Nation Records roster.

pls list 5 of the 50 million songs that do the handclaps-instead-of-hi-hats thing

normally I am the first to jump on the "it's worse for female musicians" argument but this, I think, is universal. the black keys got it pretty bad this album cycle. arcade fire. the weeknd.

pls list 5 of the 50 million songs that do the handclaps-instead-of-hi-hats thing

beyonce - single ladies
kanye west - power
baauer - harlem shake
rihanna - birthday cake
big sean - dance (a$$)
nicki minaj - stupid hoe
juicy j - bandz a make her dance
tyga - rack city
travis porter - bring it back
soulja boy - donk
azealia banks - jumanji
jamie foxx - number one
the weeknd - the fall

not to mention like 90% of new orleans bounce & a ton of other club tracks from the past 20 years

https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/496084377781428225

:/

lol

i like her guest spot on the Bleachers album

album cycle shit this fall i hope

https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/496074592201744384

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIi57zhDl78

Lmao @ adidas sandals

watched that a couple times last night. i like grimes.

she's the best

bitches must be dreading a hit these days if they're gonna get driven out to wear outfits in the desert every time

― r|t|c, Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:42 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

treesh is on to something

also, late pass, ilx, this shit was out many hours ago

you had one job markers

cool swords in this video

It's like someone crossbred the video for Freak on a Leash and Genesis

Not really feeling this.

Has she peaked, already?! Everything about that video/song is regressive.

too much, too soon, too fast

is this the track she pitched to Rihanna?

Kind of a weird thing to say about an artist already 3 albums into their game?

I guess it makes more sense as "Grimes writing a pop song to pitch to an established pop artist" but it just makes me miss her wilder, more bricolage approach to music.

i was in the crowd for her set at pfork and this was probably the song that got the biggest audience reaction fwiw

I could totally see that, and that kinda proves my point about her peaking.

you had one job markers

― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:21 AM

and i did it . . . on facebook!

http://i.imgur.com/nhivLyy.gif

feel like she made the "Genesis" video and thought, "I really need to write a song to match this video aesthetic" and so she did it. Good for her.

is it just my playback experience or is she out of sync with the lyrics the entire time?

it's OK I guess... but very far from her best work. and I don't really hear the input from Blood Diamonds. disappointing.

scrapped album after reaction to "Go" - starting over

http://pitchfork.com/news/56680-grimes-scraps-new-album-sessions-after-negative-reaction-to-go-starts-again/

Hmmmmm. The video she did for Go was pretty embarrassing. Go as a song was not up to her usual standards, production wise. She's messing up having such a big gap between albums and touring so much.

she scraps an album's worth of stuff every couple of months more or less and the NYT article the quote comes from doesn't even mention anything about scrapping material after or because of the reaction to "go"

and less of the p****fork linking, heres the actual article http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/magazine/why-everyone-should-be-waiting-for-grimess-next-album.html?_r=0

I heard she is a pretty despicable person actually, which shatters the illusions I had of her.

you heard, huh?

A real Snidely Whiplash type, eh?

I heard she does car commercials in Japan.