one-upsPERSONship
― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 June 2014 20:33 (nine years ago) link
it's not about the intention of the speaker though -- one-upsmanship and yammering (like nagging) are in the eye of the beholderthat's why there is no way out of this sinkhole
― La Lechera, Thursday, 19 June 2014 20:34 (nine years ago) link
I feel like stopping short and apologizing isn't necessarily an indicator that you're used to criticism -- sometimes it's due to the recognizing that you're dominating the conversation.
The people I've known who have been the best speakers have been able to introduce topics in a way that allows people without any knowledge get up to speed and those in the know aren't bored. It's really, really difficult! Pausing for the other person to indicate that they're interested is important.
I've definitely been part of conversations that were taken over by one-upmanship, chest-puffing through long drops of irrelevant info, or mansplaining. Definitely not limited to hipster interests.
knowledge and taste is so ingrained as a marker of social status
this is really a caricature of the hipster-as-geek, though!
― mh, Thursday, 19 June 2014 20:38 (nine years ago) link
there is no way an intern we had at work last summer was not yammering
he interrupted a trilingual person who was talking about a book she'd read on language learning to yammer on about what languages are hard to learn
― mh, Thursday, 19 June 2014 20:39 (nine years ago) link
Why does every conversation have to be aimed at allowing people without any knowledge to get up to speed?
― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 June 2014 20:40 (nine years ago) link
it doesn't! gauging your audience is key.
― mh, Thursday, 19 June 2014 20:40 (nine years ago) link
mh otmconversational skills are not a given part of language proficiency and because you are having a conversation with a human being and your goal is ostensibly not to alienate that person?
― La Lechera, Thursday, 19 June 2014 20:42 (nine years ago) link
There are so many things that I would love to listen to people speak about, especially if they're enthusiastic and knowledgeable. At the very least, that's a good way to connect to people. But many people have absolutely no interest in hearing about arbitrary topics in depth, even if they introduced them.
I just think about the dudes who are occasionally at comic book stores. I like comics, although not necessarily the same ones they do, but I can't do anything with a conversation that is mostly talking about minutiae and one-upping by throwing in jokey references. I like nice stories and art and would like to talk to how I relate to that stuff.
― mh, Thursday, 19 June 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link
There is a valid point somewhere in this article - that these kind of people and conversations are often pretty boring and oppressive to others. But making that into some critique of a supposed "cultural materialism game" is silly. You're not Guy Debord (someone please feel free to mention a couple of more obscure and cool theorists if you wanna play the game). This dude needs to find himself some non-dull pals.
― everything, Thursday, 19 June 2014 20:49 (nine years ago) link
the one-upsmanship (or, if you prefer "one-upspersonship") mindset is a major turn-off and killer of otherwise free & easy conversations/relationships. i think as a natural-born jokey smart-aleck that i sometimes unwittingly provoke others to go into a perverse competitive one-upsmanship mode when in fact i don't give a fuck about anything other than hearing things said that are hilarious. is this non-sequitirish? fine, i find non-sequitirial conversation funny also.
― Yarli Simon (rattled), Thursday, 19 June 2014 21:01 (nine years ago) link
I'm not sure if I get the hostility vibe off of recommendations like this blogger, either. I mean, I'll occasionally say "yeah this album is cool!" about something that is related to the topic of conversation, but I don't get all emotionally invested in the supposed ~cultural transaction~ that's taking place. I might be invested in the emotional connection to the music, though.
I feel like that's a stereotypical male/nerd thing, though, where you can make a bullet-pointed list about how an album relates to other albums and how great the playing is and whatever else but your actual relationship to the art is obscured by all these things!
― mh, Thursday, 19 June 2014 21:07 (nine years ago) link
I'm just saying that sometimes the point isn't to "one-up" someone but to test the waters and see if the person you're talking to is someone you can geek out with
― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 June 2014 21:08 (nine years ago) link
And also that the insecure reaction the blogger is describing is also often borne of unrealized competitiveness.
there are definitely different types of geeking-out conversations, a subtype of which is most certainly one-upping
― mh, Thursday, 19 June 2014 21:22 (nine years ago) link
bottom line --avoid conversations with these people!
― La Lechera, Thursday, 19 June 2014 21:26 (nine years ago) link
no need to if that's something you like! I mean, get down with your bad self.
― mh, Thursday, 19 June 2014 21:29 (nine years ago) link
articles like this annoy me in general because it seems like the authors tend to do a lot of mind-reading of other people and tend to come to the conclusion that people don't do enough mind-reading in their day to day lives
― macklin' rosie (crüt), Thursday, 19 June 2014 23:45 (nine years ago) link
I don't really get that article, is it about being a teenager?
― brimstead, Friday, 20 June 2014 00:01 (nine years ago) link
oh i get it now, it's about people who listen vs people who just wait to talk.
― brimstead, Friday, 20 June 2014 00:02 (nine years ago) link
lol hipsters
i dont even have a mind-reader
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Friday, 20 June 2014 14:10 (nine years ago) link
I'm just saying that sometimes the point isn't to "one-up" someone but to test the waters and see if the person you're talking to is someone you can geek out with― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Thursday, June 19, 2014 5:08 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Thursday, June 19, 2014 5:08 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm. honestly i don't have a ton of friends who geek out on the same stuff i do, so when i meet people and realize that they might have some similar interests it can be a good opportunity to connect w/ someone over it. i got super into bill callahan last year but really pretty much in a vacuum except for ILM and when i met a co-worker who loves callahan as much as i do it was pretty fucking awesome! i think we may have alienated another co-worker who approached us during a conversation about callahan b/c we didn't really stop talking about him. i kind of felt bad about it, but at the same time was i like, hey, i don't have anybody to talk about this except for this dude so i am going to take advantage of that.
― marcos, Friday, 20 June 2014 14:45 (nine years ago) link
also when i do meet people to talk about music or whatever with, i've rarely felt like they are trying to compete with me. i didn't really identify w/ the tumblr guy who wrote that.
― marcos, Friday, 20 June 2014 14:46 (nine years ago) link
I've developed some unspoken/internal rules about that sort of thing. For example, if I and two of my co-workers take a walk to grab lunch, I make sure not to "geek out" with one co-worker about something the other one isn't into. But if there are four or more of us, I figure it's ok if I geek out with one because the other 2/3 can still talk to each other.
― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Friday, 20 June 2014 14:48 (nine years ago) link
― marcos, Friday, June 20, 2014 9:46 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
also this doesn't really happen to me because ime men (usually it's men he's talking about, right?) do not appear to feel compelled to compete with me. other things maybe (rarely), but not competition. i dunno. ultimately who cares? i would rather talk about bill callahan than talk about how people should talk about bill callahan in an inoffensive way.
― La Lechera, Friday, 20 June 2014 16:05 (nine years ago) link
― La Lechera, Thursday, June 19, 2014 5:26 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ftfy
― everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 14:03 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/Z4nuglo.jpg
― 龜, Friday, 13 March 2015 22:40 (nine years ago) link
almost certain that they did not
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 March 2015 22:57 (nine years ago) link
knew this was why this thread got revived
― gr8080, Saturday, 14 March 2015 03:16 (nine years ago) link
Bad, yes. Ass, yes.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 14 March 2015 04:19 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU3mc0yvRNk
feel like this was an important formative moment in the creation of the millennial hipster
― supreme problematics (D-40), Sunday, 5 July 2015 07:14 (eight years ago) link
There was a point when the term hipster was non-pejorative wasn't there? 1940s or '50s? Something that people like Norman Mailer was trying to connect with as the 'white negro' or similar. Somebody that could always ride the cusp of what was happening musically/culturally/philosophically.Or was it pretty pseudo and wanky even then?Just wondering when hipster became pejorative. I'm seeing people around Galway dressed in the style people were being derided for as hipster around 10 years ago or have elements of that skinny jean very short beard thing become universal and non ironic?
― Stevolende, Sunday, 5 July 2015 07:48 (eight years ago) link
fwiw i remember all my friends singing along to that dandy warhols song in a van on the way to see them at a festival in 2003
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 20:51 (eight years ago) link
https://www.vice.com/read/hw-the-definitive-guide-to-hipster-music-genres-hipster-week
― Gaz Khan (sarahell), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 20:30 (eight years ago) link
SerialismYears Active: 1920s-1980sDefining Artist: Arnold SchoenbergIn true hipster fashion, we don't understand exactly what this is, like, at all. Like, we get it kind of enough to make John Cage "notes between the notes" jokes at the bar, but, if pressed, we'll hide behind the first smart looking motherfucker we can find, push them at our assailant, and say, "12-tone techneez nutz!" Or something to that effect.
― Gaz Khan (sarahell), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link
that list of things is a list of things
― a cruet of destiny (seandalai), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link
yeah, idk how "hipster" it is to make lists of things ... but I think reading them haphazardly is cool
― Gaz Khan (sarahell), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:01 (eight years ago) link
If this is a troll and not sincere, then it's really the best imitation of a Wave 1 hipster I've ever seen. It's eerie. https://t.co/gdnObn1kr0— T. (@RickyRawls) May 3, 2017
― 龜, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 20:31 (seven years ago) link
i'm sorry this is hilarious lol
One interesting thing about the idea of the Nazi and fascist right having a more vibrant youth scene than the liberals...the NY Mag articles— T. (@RickyRawls) May 3, 2017
― 龜, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 20:33 (seven years ago) link
yeah idk I think the problem with gavin mcinnes is not that he sincerely believes all these things
also the vines lol
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 20:42 (seven years ago) link
sorry everybody you should click on that tweet and read the thread
― 龜, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 20:44 (seven years ago) link
it is a bad thread with the exception of some good replies this ricky person does not get
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:03 (seven years ago) link
if it was a hipster imitation it by definition couldn't be sincere. this is entry level stuff @rickyrawls, cmon
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:06 (seven years ago) link
anyway, hope joe is still alive after all of the brutal owns
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:07 (seven years ago) link
rip
― 龜, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:10 (seven years ago) link
lol good thread
― marcos, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 21:12 (seven years ago) link
tony is not chill, glad he's admitted he is a hipster tho
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 22:46 (seven years ago) link
lol, I mean ricky, whatever
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 22:50 (seven years ago) link
French dictionaries just added some new words: ubérisation, hipster (pron. 'eepstair') and of course, post-vérité https://t.co/qV9TznnhDh— Katy Lee (@kjalee) May 30, 2017
― j., Tuesday, 30 May 2017 16:16 (six years ago) link
'eepstairs downstairs
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 16:27 (six years ago) link