Inquiry into child abuse at Catholic institutions in Ireland

is there any sense at all from the media of "ah the Church has had enough of a battering these past couple of years, let's give them a break eh lads"?

idk, first thoughts are yes to that, and then there's definitely deference from the IT and the other broadsheets, and then the most depressing thought is that well, this isn't news anymore

i did wonder if there was some variation on "scandal fatigue" as well as the lingering deference in some quarters

mix of all three

also afaic nothing done. the church has been publicly broken but hasn't seen individuals brought to justice nor paid anything like restoration nor been anything less than begrudging or defiant in acknowledgement.

and it still controls education infrastructure.

so the fatigue is strengthened by a lack of any faith in the structures that should be formally moving against the legacy power, lending credence to the uneasy suspicions that change isn't coming quickly

multiple xps

I was thinking more towards the border, Dundalk and all that, but you get a bit of it in Dublin too.

north side is the new border hey

this story made me remember when a 15 year old girl in my class at my catholic school had a baby she intended to keep who was born with severe birth defects and died within hours, and hard adult voices said it was for the best. these were people who marched piously against abortion and didn't believe in birth control but they said with grim satisfaction that her cruel bereavement was for the best, as if god had done her a big favour.

in the long run we might all someday get those ppls learned and certain wisdom, but I hope not

Most talk seems to be geared around "hey let's build a memorial" rather than anything else :/

Since 1824 the Sisters of Bon Secours have brought compassion, healing, and liberation to those they serve.
Whether in healthcare, education or social services, in hospitals, clinics or parishes, in towns and cities or isolated villages, Bon Secours responds to a universal need: To provide to all who suffer a reason to live and a reason to hope.

Please note: this offer excludes infants abandoned by God because their mother was a whore

re lack of coverage of this domestically

chairman of rte board is director of the firm handling the nuns pr apparently

I thought RTE were covering it now? They seem to have a good bit on the site atm. Was just reading this > http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0606/622045-dail-children/

they are now! silence was deafening for days after tho

yeah, "now" obviously the keyword here. I have a lot of problems with them and their obvious slants and biases (and the ridiculous amount of airtime they gave to the 1ona crowd too).

I wanted to go into that more with kev there too.

the Iona/far right balance issue is a case of Irish establishment either believing that there is a silently majority out there cheering Iona on (not my experience but I won't discount it), that 'balance' requires a fifty-fifty share of coverage, airtime and moderation without regard to fact or reason (def don't discount this) or that fuckit, its better TV to have the most partisan loudmouths possible on there regardless of misrepresentation.

all options are profoundly depressing so I turn gladly to conspiracy tbph

so my dad just found out that his grandparents were his granduncle/aunt- his grandmother was packed off to Dublin to have the child and was on the boat to the states a fortnight later. she never saw her son again despite returning to Ireland twice for him.

she married in NYC, had 6 kids (including a supreme court judge?) and one of her grandchildren made contact with dad today to meet up and trade stories.

all because lol catholic church lol ireland lol 1911, giving kid to your brother to raise and leaving home forever was the better alternative.

hmm seems more likely a court of appeals judge, nm

well then, only the court of appeals you say. then he's hardly made a noise in the world at all.

ugh he's an anti death penalty campaigner imma call dad back tell him to call the whole thing off

my old parish priest back in the news
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-34504729

I had an auntie who turned out be my half-sister. I got relegated to some foam on the floor for 4 years when she moved into our 2 bedroom house, it was an early lesson in dread lol catholicism for me :(

sort of on topic:p

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/cesnik-nun-murder-maskell_n_7267532.html

I am watching my national news service running a major story on a woman that was miraculously healed after visiting a shrine in my home county where the virgin mary appeared on a gable along with sundry others in 1879 and tear this fucking country down please

Knock? Easily the creepiest place in the country I’ve ever been to.

ive conducted housing interviews in day-long batches there and v noticeable strain of crazy vs the other six centres

Knock do some cracking holy water though, it might have cured me of the bollocking I got for greedily drinking a gulp of it once whilst "pooching" in the grown-up section of the childhood slum!

I didn't dare replace it with tap water lest i got struck down.