Seconded and thirded. What the hell is the point of that "Bootleg Series" if not for a basement tapes box?
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:19 (4 years ago) Permalink
yeah, i just get the feeling they're holding on to it for when Dylan is dead, or isn't making albums anymore, or something. Which still might be a while! But since it is sort of the "ultimate" bootleg, they probably want to milk it for all it's worth. Not as though they haven't had someone compile all that stuff, since every now and again a track is officially released, like "I'm Not There" on the soundtrack of the same name.
― tylerw, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:21 (4 years ago) Permalink
Tough to choose/lots of good ones/could be anything/favorite keeps changing, etc etc etc.
Had to go with Odds and Ends. Lost time is not found again.
― kornrulez6969, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:29 (4 years ago) Permalink
I went with "Apple Suckling Tree". It has a catchy tune first of all and is great fun to sing along with, esp. with kids. The way he sings "suckling" makes it sound lewd, and given the rest of these songs, I think that's intentional. So, points there. What's the song about? It sounds goofy and sinister at the same time, and knowing what I know about John Wesley Harding I read the tree as a reference to the story of Adam and Eve. God and sex: if the intersection of these is one of your central preoccupations, and you do it in a fun way with a great tune, then I'll have a lot of time for you.
― Euler, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:35 (4 years ago) Permalink
apple suckling tree is sooooo good. robbie robertson on the drums! what a sweet beat! and then Garth's rollicking solo .... and of course, Dylan's vocal. Honestly, I think this is my favorite singing voice of Dylan's.
― tylerw, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:41 (4 years ago) Permalink
yazoo st. scandal over this wheel's on fire by the wee-est thread
― outdoor_miner, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:43 (4 years ago) Permalink
It's impossible for me think about this in terms of an empirical best, so I gotta go with "Lo and Behold!" Whenever I listen to The Basement Tapes, that song always makes me think, That's where they figured out they could do almost anything and it would work.
― DLee, Monday, 9 March 2009 18:22 (4 years ago) Permalink
"Orange Juice Blues" and "Yazoo Street Scandal" are two of my very favourite Band songs, but they weren't really part of the sessions, were they? So I'm gonna go with the indescribably flaky "Yea Heavy...", probably my alltime favourite song title.
(This thread has inspired me to d/l that "Tree With Roots" thing and create my own basement tapes.)
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 9 March 2009 18:28 (4 years ago) Permalink
My favorite record. I think. I go back and forth between this and Double Nickels on the Dime. And it occurs to me that this:
they could do almost anything and it would work
― dad a, Monday, 9 March 2009 18:29 (4 years ago) Permalink
^^^ great screen name
― WmC, Monday, 9 March 2009 18:29 (4 years ago) Permalink
The comic book and me, just us, we caught the bus...
"Yea Heavy And A Bottle Of Bread" it is.
― a golden unicorn who poops diamonds (EZ Snappin), Monday, 9 March 2009 18:35 (4 years ago) Permalink
impossible poll. went with "Too Much of Nothing" today.
and say, wasn't it Robbie on the lead vocal for "Yazoo Street Scandal"? that's what i remember Marcus saying in the liner notes, anyhow.
― 51 SBs and there's nothing on (Ioannis), Monday, 9 March 2009 18:43 (4 years ago) Permalink
Wow, maybe so! I'd always assumed it was manuel, because it's not uh horrible.
― now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Monday, 9 March 2009 18:57 (4 years ago) Permalink
Sure sounds like Levon Helm to me, no?
― Jazzbo, Monday, 9 March 2009 19:00 (4 years ago) Permalink
Tree With Roots is a must, not only for the wealth of stuff that isn't on the official release, but because so many of the official songs were overdubbed by Robbie and some of the other Band members in 1974. Granted, the overdubs are pretty tastefully done, but there is something about those raw tapes...
― tylerw, Monday, 9 March 2009 19:12 (4 years ago) Permalink
There's a lot more stereo separation on most of the "Roots" tracks, too. Garth Hudson did a magnificent job with the equipment he had at the time (only 3 mics, I believe), but you'd never know it from listening to just the official release.
― Jazzbo, Monday, 9 March 2009 19:15 (4 years ago) Permalink
yeah, the official release is kinda in mono, isn't it? wonder if this remaster will be improved, or what? but no kidding, Hudson made some of that stuff sparkle in a way that a million dollars worth of equipment couldn't have. Though I guess I've read that his set-up wasn't quite as bare-bones as some have later claimed -- he had access to a bunch of Dylan's state-of-the-art sound equipment from the 1966 tours.
― tylerw, Monday, 9 March 2009 19:18 (4 years ago) Permalink
it's always been my dream that there'll be some lost cache of Basement Tapes with them playing songs from John Wesley Harding ... as wonderful as that record is, sometimes I find it utterly insane that Dylan did not record it with the Band. There are a few wonderful examples of what they might've done with it on the Isle of Wight 69 bootleg.
― tylerw, Monday, 9 March 2009 19:19 (4 years ago) Permalink
i guess there is a story of Dylan asking Robbie Robertson and Garth Hudson to overdub parts on to JWH, but Robertson said "No man, keep it pure." What a piece of shit Robbie Robertson is. And yet I love him.
― tylerw, Monday, 9 March 2009 19:31 (4 years ago) Permalink
― 51 SBs and there's nothing on (Ioannis), Monday, 9 March 2009 19:33 (4 years ago) Permalink
too many good ones, but had to go with "yea heavy". "open the door homer" a close second. "slap that drummer with a pie that smells."
― clay, Monday, 9 March 2009 23:35 (4 years ago) Permalink
People call this record mysterious or magic; if so it's in the three-card-monte sense, working by diversion, misdirection, trying to confound understanding, to get the audience to enjoy being fooled. So much of this record is a tease, inside jokes and deliberate nonsense, bluffing and never showing its hand. I've bought books about this record and never read them, worried it would feel too much like watching dissection of a live subject; even if it survives, it'd be forever scarred, imprinted with someone else's take. Despite which here's mine:
A1. Always wanted to do a doublespeed punk cover. A2. Normal breakup song but paired with a let's work it out chorus. In the "beautiful beautiful" punch line, this guy reveals he can't stand to have things that aren't broken. A3. Pretty drowsy for a song about heaven, or a swinging party, which is as close as this record gets. A4 & A5. The party gets out of hand. Beyond care for morality, sex as cataclysm as rollicking good time, so bring on the flood, just go and pump on the well. A6. As told by the last one to know.
B1. Lays a few tricks on you -- hooks you by mentioning some unexplained shame, appears to have a narrative thread involving moose, but nothing is revealed. Still I'm prepared to accept as proven that Pittsburgh = Chicken Town, QED. B2. Feels too well composed to fit in with the Dylan songs, where the prevailing moods are off-the-cuff or overwrought. B3. Simple story of being caught acting like you're not just some kid, treated as an epic Saga. B4. This song choogles. B5. About getting so drunk you piss yourself. And yet somehow Mrs. Henry resists his amorous advances. B6. Dylan's most heartrending song and singing. Never seen anyone so enraged they cried -- grief yes, but rage? (Yes I know it's poetry.)
C1. I first heard this in Peter Paul & Mary's perversely cheerful version, but this song wants to be sluggish, drained. C2. Feels like the opposite of You Ain't Going Nowhere -- not just drifting along but in a mighty hurry. Like Lo and Behold, a Biblical title sends the singer all over the map, though in this case even with specific destinations named it feels like he's going nowhere (fast). C3. Loose and swaggering, ultimately reverential. When I was introduced to this record I was told "there's nothing like it" but including a cover song means it can't be wholly sui generis -- this ain't no old weird America they just dreamed up one day. C4. Taunting or teasing about friends washed away, either way adding insult to injury. C5. Everything feels buried in the mix by everything else: echoed vocals, drum thuds, plinked piano, carnival organ stabs, muted distorted guitar fills. C6. The only side that doesn't end with a devastation. Upbeat number with optimistic lyrics so naturally the backup vocals sound like the moans of glum zombies.
D1. Another song about people failing to get away with handing out BS lines to each other (or in this case, to themselves). D2. Our son's named Henry, and my parents sometimes serenaded him with Please Mrs. Henry, but never with Don't Ya Tell Henry -- is this song that unmemorable? Or did they just never make it to the second record? D3. A song this final should end a record, but they're not done shuffling the deck. D4. Can't break down why this song works so well, it doesn't particularly DO anything, it just IS. Chorus stays true to side 4's commitment to finality. Great draggy backup vocals. D5. Penultimate track is as good a place as any for a throwaway. Your basic blues number, good guitar but otherwise nothing special, though it cleanses the palate and clears the stage for D6. When the record DOES show it's emotions, as here, it knocks you out without even seeming to try.
Voting for Nothing Was Delivered.
― dad a, Monday, 16 March 2009 20:41 (4 years ago) Permalink
The Band's "Basement Tapes" tunes were recorded significantly later and added to the mix by one J.R. Robertson
― thirdalternative, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 12:38 (4 years ago) Permalink
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 00:01 (4 years ago) Permalink
ok liner notes say Helm is vocalist on yazoo street scandal. damned if the way he sings "stranded out in the night" doesn't throw me... but by the time he gets to "i just ordered a flood for forty days and forty nights" it all makes sense
― now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 01:11 (4 years ago) Permalink
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Thursday, 19 March 2009 00:01 (4 years ago) Permalink
I don't have any quibbles with the voting, other than that the total number of votes is a fucking scandal. Hell, I voted twice.
― WmC, Thursday, 19 March 2009 00:12 (4 years ago) Permalink
"Clothes Line Saga" is really funny. Man, this LP was so over my head when I first heard it as a teenager.
Best tracks that didn't make the cut:
Silent WeekendI'm Not ThereSign on the Cross
― Johnny Hotcox, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:11 (1 year ago) Permalink