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nah theres alotta dudes who i excuse cuz theyre just trippin out, i was just sayin how much i love d12 on that other thread! but dipset is some dead-eyed trash to me, i cant even hear 5 seconds of these clowns rappin before i gotta be like turn it off man turn it off

3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:40 (twenty-two years ago) link

tho i dont judge anybody who fucks w/ them as long as they stay off the crack and dont go all into best-rapper-i-ever-downloaded!! mode

3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:41 (twenty-two years ago) link

this thread title is really amusing.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:42 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm surprised you don't like it Gear! I think its pretty great. Certainly not my favorite rappers - purple haze didnt make my top ten or anything last year, even though i kinda gushed about it in that review they quoted - but I really really like "Killa Cam" and "Get Em Girls" etc.

deej.., Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:43 (twenty-two years ago) link

Although next time you get a six of tecate i'm down.

deej.., Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:44 (twenty-two years ago) link

three years pass...
Ok. I'll admit that I've never been the most religious blog-readers. Oh, sure, I read a couple, certainly a few political ones and usually those done by journalists in their free time -- a la "Talking Points Memo" and "Altercation". The same goes for music blogs. I've periodically perused Marcello's and Simon Reynolds', in addition to reading/contributing to Stylus's from time to time, but for whatever reason, I've been wary of diving headlong into the blogosphere.

But last night, I decided the time had come -- I was going to do download a
bunch to my Palm Pilot for subway reading during my commute. I thought it
might prove a good place to do a little research and keep abreast of the latest goings-on.

And seriously? What I found was a lot of lists, in-jokes, pictures,
and inpenetrable references -- as well as links to other blogs, of course. Aside from the fact that almost none seemed to have much to say about actual music, almost across the board, they reinforced the worst cliches about music writers: that they're this uber-insular, elitist sect that's more interested in impressing one another than trying to think anew, even if it means saying something stupid.

Did I kind of expect that? Sure, I suppose. But the thing is: that's what ILM, for all intents and purposes, should probably be, but isn't. There's a lot of fresh, honest--dare I say--brave assessments on this board -- by, I might add, many of the same people playing this silly game I just described. You would think the blogosphere could be public diaries -- musings about this passion of ours, the great testing ground for the Big Ideas that end up in print somewhere, or maybe just write-ups of records our respective publications wouldn't let us review for whatever reason.

But from virtually all that I've seen, they aren't that at all. And that's just very, very disappointing. There are some great writers here.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 11 February 2005 03:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I was going to do download a bunch to my Palm Pilot for subway reading during my commute.

you admit that and then have the nerve to criticize? heh, that's some cojones.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 February 2005 03:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't like reading blogs much at all either.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 11 February 2005 03:55 (nineteen years ago) link

What I found was a lot of lists, in-jokes, pictures,
and inpenetrable references

great!

try harder, btw.

f--gg (gcannon), Friday, 11 February 2005 03:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i like them.

jones (actual), Friday, 11 February 2005 03:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I think my blog writing style is, for the most part, identical to my message board writing style. That's almost certainly because I started my blog long before I started writing on message boards (and even before I started reading other blogs).

IMO, once you start consciously blogging for other bloggers, and not for yourself or for a real or imagined audience, the quality suffers badly. When that happens, it leads to online feuds and writers trying to outdo one another first and foremost. Also, people start becoming self-conscious about their niche in the blogosphere. They start thinking "I have to write about stuff that others aren't writing about, I've got to be more unique" instead of just writing about whatever interests them.

I'm not just referring to music blogs here, I'm referring to any internet communities I've come across -- music, sports, politics, you name it.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 11 February 2005 04:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I have to say I'm amazed at the amount of personal information blog people share with strangers.

shookout (shookout), Friday, 11 February 2005 04:13 (nineteen years ago) link

ooh! read mine! joshlanghoff.blogspot.com! it still looks like the unfinished death star, so I was going to hold off plugging it, but you've given me an opportunity for some preliminary plugging. and I don't really know anybody here, so I only reference the big guns.

dr. phil (josh langhoff), Friday, 11 February 2005 04:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm a bit of a blog philistine perhaps, but I only like them for the mp3s. The only non-mp3 blog which I look at is Blissblog. Naturally, I have the upmost respect for the bloggers taste in mp3s, but I can't use the insight, thanks. I like the largeheartedboy format where he just posts a list of links and downloads each day - take it or leave it.

everything, Friday, 11 February 2005 09:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Quelle surprise. You start off with a preconceived idea that blogs will suck and then you pat yourself on the back for discovering it's true. Hmmm.

Personally I don't like the MP3 blogs, aside from the odd blog that features mixes.

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Friday, 11 February 2005 10:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Gutterbreakz is cool though. It's like going to school again, but a cool school. With a nice teacher (that hopefully doesn't test you..."yes class, please write an essay on...mmm...the use of the 303 on early 808 State records as compared to Universal Indicator Blue.")

Omar (Omar), Friday, 11 February 2005 10:12 (nineteen years ago) link

** they reinforced the worst cliches about music writers: that they're this uber-insular, elitist sect that's more interested in impressing one another than trying to think**

And this was a surprise? You've read the Pazz & Jop poll comments section before, right? Anyway, most of the political blogs I've scrolled through seem to fit the same pattern as the music ones.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Friday, 11 February 2005 11:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Very few blogs pull you right in on the first visit; it's like stumbling in on a conversation that is already in progress. It can take time to get to know the blogger, and his/her crowd/references/in-jokes etc. Almost by definition, a large number will look petty and parochial from the outside.

I used to take great pains in always thinking of the first-time reader when writing each post, always trying to explain references etc. Then I decided that I actually liked in-jokes and self-referentialism and being part of a blog-gang, so I eased up on all of that. I fully expect 95% of casual readers to walk away scratching their heads and thinking WTF is he blathering on about. It's a blog, not a magazine. Horses for courses...

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 11 February 2005 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Indeed, it's a community (just like ilx is).

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Friday, 11 February 2005 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Personally I find it healthier to keep a careful distance from that particular community. Acknowledge it but don't allow yourself to be drawn in too closely to it.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 11 February 2005 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Indeed, it's a community (just like ilx is).

i disagree. ILX is designed for two-way communication, for rapid response. blogs are online journals; the text is offered up to be read as an entity in itself, rather than as part of a discussion. that crappy little "comments: 0" at the bottom of thousands of blogspot posts says it all.

there are some excellent, awe-inspiring, life-affirming blogs out there. there are many, many more that are frankly knuckle-bitingly embarrassing; a good proportion of these are obviously written entirely for other members of the - cough - "blogosphere" to read. a good blog exists because it has something worthwhile to say and says it beautifully. a bad blog exists purely to affirm the writer's existence, which is ultimately rather pathetic.

it's like forming a band: for the sake of the rest of us, only do it if you actually have a driving need to do so.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 11 February 2005 13:26 (nineteen years ago) link

of course, you could just not read blogs if they bother you so much rather than instruct people not to write them. i'm not really a fan of the format, but at the same time i don't think they're bringing down my (or anyone else's) quality of life.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 11 February 2005 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link

the whole thing bores me a bit, to be honest - apart from nathalie's blog, obviously, coz she's all fabulous and nice to me and stuff.

stelfox, Friday, 11 February 2005 13:34 (nineteen years ago) link

this post is fucking great.

um, Friday, 11 February 2005 13:35 (nineteen years ago) link

xx-post: but, er, like i said: there are some great ones out there, and i'd like to discover more gems. unfortunately, i have to wade through mountains of crap in order to do so.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 11 February 2005 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't read any other blogs, particularly, and never have. I barely even keep mine going now. I'm not sure why.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 11 February 2005 13:57 (nineteen years ago) link

My blog is great! I'm gonna post something on it TODAY! It will be fun.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 11 February 2005 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link

There are some that are very good, there are some that are mediocre or horrible. Blanket generalizations are never a good or smart thing to make.

Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Friday, 11 February 2005 14:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Mine hans't really been about music for ages though.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 11 February 2005 14:09 (nineteen years ago) link

the whole thing bores me a bit, to be honest - apart from nathalie's blog, obviously, coz she's all fabulous and nice to me and stuff.

Didn't you know, I keep it going just to promote yours. ;-)


that crappy little "comments: 0" at the bottom of thousands of blogspot posts says it all.

I have a lot of fans. I especially like the VEeAgra one.

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Friday, 11 February 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

There are a bunch of music blogs which, while ocassionally too insular, offer me lots of provocative and fascinating takes on music:

I found Jess Harvell's year-end take on music on his blog very interesting even if I don't always agree with him. Jessica Hopper writes wonderfully. Dj Rupture/Jace Clayton's take on grime, life in Spain, and various others...There a Canadien guy who lives in Senegal and post about African music who's been mention elsewhere by me and others on ILM who's great. How about Julianne Shepherd, and Phil Sherburne,Christopher Porter and numerous others(I just learned from Sasha Frere-Jones blog about the jazz covers of pavement cd)...

steve-k, Friday, 11 February 2005 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

The only blogs I find I read are by journalists or professional writers. The quality difference between those and the others is generally huge - not in terms of having interesting things to say, but in sheer readability. It's the experience of having to shape your writing to an audience, of editing your work and having your work edited, and all the other stylistic constraints involved in writing for the media. Eventually, professional writers develop their inner editor. This is the main problem with blogs. There's no editing. It's all just a loghorreic stream. Even if there's something interesting going on I can't be bothered to wade through all the crap to get there.

genevieve rt, Friday, 11 February 2005 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

That's funny, cos a lot of the music blogs written by pro journalists usually seem really sloppy, obscure, and super-insular to me (probably because they can't get away with that stuff in print and like having an outlet for that sort of writing.)

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

When I saw them say "Blogosphere" on CNN I was embarassed for the entire country.

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Why? It's a silly word, but it refers to a very real thing. People need to get over this bullshit irrational embarassment about blogs. Enough with the selfloathing nerd shtick, okay?

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Eventually, professional writers develop their inner editor

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ... urgh [chokes with laughter]

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

"I have a lot of fans. I especially like the VEeAgra one. "

whats your blog?

um, Friday, 11 February 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

i like the blogosphere term

Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm still waiting for "bloggo" to catch on.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

looks like naive teen idol hasn't checked out this sweet blog interview with the ying yang twins-- http://riffcentral.blogspot.com

Nick Sylvester, Friday, 11 February 2005 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Bloggiverse.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

People need to get over this bullshit irrational embarassment about blogs.

Is there such a thing? I must live in an insular world.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Why? It's a silly word, but it refers to a very real thing. People need to get over this bullshit irrational embarassment about blogs. Enough with the selfloathing nerd shtick, okay?
-- Matthew C Perpetua (perpetu...), February 11th, 2005.

No, it was just the word.

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

People need to get over this bullshit irrational embarassment about blogs.

No they don't, it IS embarrassing. There is a reason diaries used to have locks.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

The most successful blogs are very rarely diaries.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Can a mod modify every post to this thread so there's a recursive link to Leon's post re: the dangers of generalizing and/or shooting yr mouth off?

"OMG look at what those people are doing in my periphery! I don't want to see that! Get out of my field of vision as I am rooted to the ground and am unable to turn my fucking neck!"

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Can a mod modify every post to this thread so there's a recursive link to Leon's post re: the dangers of generalizing and/or shooting yr mouth off?

WHY YOU TAR EVERY POST TO THREAD WITH SAME BRUSH?!?

*hides*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

The most successful blogs are very rarely diaries.

All the ones I read are. And I think they're successful.

Well, "online diaries"/blogs have a different motivation now since there seems to be this collective need to make yourself seen and heard, whether you have something interesting to say or not, with several important exceptions of course. I pretty much agree with the sentiment that grimly fiendish promotes upthread re: starting a band.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 11 February 2005 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Which ones are you reading, mcd?

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 11 February 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Shit, I'll read anything as along as it's updated frequently.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 11 February 2005 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link

miccio, you had a problem with a song being goofy?!?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:23 AM (7 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol

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