Rolling Late-60's/Early-70's Thud-Rock Thread

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You don't like Reality's crazed throat/mouth/lips singing where he imitates flutes and stuff? I die laughing when I hear that record. One of THE WORST uses of a sitar on a rock record. Briania, did you read the kettle story on that link above?

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

here it is, just on case:


Stephen Barncard: I remember a particular session that I did not participate in where they were trying to record a teapot. They had a part in a
song where they wanted the teapot to whistle on cue, so they would back the tape up and try to anticipate the delay after the heat was turned
on. Nobody told them they didn't have to do it that way; they could have recorded it separately on a two-track and spun it in. But they were too
wasted to think of that.

Blipcrotch was this weird character that was the leader of the band. I have no idea why Paul signed them, I thought they were terrible, besides
being idiots. I think since Paul lived in the same town as them, he felt sorry for them or something.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I am, of course, on record as long being a fan of much of this genre(though there are admittedly bands mentioned on this thread who I've never heard of.) Anyway. everybody should read these two pieces, if they didn't already (despite them being more about MID '70s thud):

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0412/smith.php

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0412/eddy.php

chuck, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Nick Drake, Vashti Bunyan, Shirley Collins, prog-rock, and thud-rock. ILM is stooooooooooooned today. Must be spring.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

As for Dust, both albums are great. (I wish I still had my copies!)

(As for Postal Service, um, I guess I prefer Superpitcher.)

chuck, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

hahahahah! matos!!!!!! where did he run off to?

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

PINK. FAIRIES.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Nah, Scott - still haven't heard the Puzzle yet; I did ask you about them on some other thread though.

Oh man, that tea kettle story is priceless.

Yes, Pink Fairies (there's a reason my fantasy baseball team is named Kings of Oblivion.) el sabor wrote:

for some reason this thread's making me want to buy the bon scott and fraternity 2cd.

This is actually pretty good! Or at least, the Fraternity tracks I have on a CD compilation are good. Kinda mildly heavy post-hippie back-to-the-land rock. The CD also has tracks from Bon's OTHER pre-AC/DC group .. not so good. The Valentines I think they were called? I'd have to check the CD. It's on See for Miles. I don't know about this 2CD thing, though. I may need to look for that..

Did any of you psychonauts ever get into that Holyground stuff? Any Thundermother fans in the house? I might have to torch one up and throw that on...

Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

What about Fraternity of Man?
Something tells me they don't belong in this thread, though.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Now you're being overly generous with Mt. Rushmore. They looked like they were a lot better than they actually sounded, a common malady.

Spooky Tooth fans may want to find the first Widowmaker album, which features Luther and a very Spooky-Toothy lead singer. It's the definition of thud-like.

George Smith, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Did someone mention Sir Lord Baltimore (yet again)?
Can't forget Bang/Budgie/Groundhogs, obv. And then there's Leaf Hound (a less-stodgy Free), Head Over Heels (singer sounded a bit like an American Bon Scott, at least in timbre if not approach) and finally Third World War, whose incredible debut strangely reminds me of MC5's High Time with its congas and blues harp and overall 1971-ness. Plus they even had a member named Fred Smith! And Thunderpussy's "legendary" Documents of Captivity (nominated as one of the 10 worst metal LPs ever by CREEM great Rick Johnson) is actually kinda nice, but sounds more like Wishbone Ash or something equally proggy than anything metallic. Plus the bassist doubles on flute, & that's just sad.

Was that Grand Theft "Hiking Into Eternity" LP really recorded in '72-73, or just some big elaborate mid-'90s hoax? Liner notes and bandmembers' names ("Crowbar Monsoon" yet!) are preposterous, and recording quality is too muddy to be conclusive. It's clearly a Grand Funk parody, but Grand Funk were as ripe for parody in '96 as in '72, weren't they? So it's a mystery. If anyone has a clue, I'd sure love to know!

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Und the first Bang lp, the second goes downhill after one side and the third is a waste. First side of Head Over Heels was pretty decent, too, although everything on it pales after the crunch of its first thirty seconds.

Bang can be had through the band's website. "Bang -- music shot from guns!" And they were from Philly.

George Smith, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Wait, I pointed out theat the Mt Rushmore album was *moronic* (which, I grant, could be seen as high, high praise); it's just the singer I love. But you're right that they look like a 10, and the album's a 6 at best.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Was that Grand Theft "Hiking Into Eternity" LP really recorded in '72-73, or just some big elaborate mid-'90s hoax?

i thought it was actually a parody from the early 70s (allegedly members of bluebird, supposedly a rural rock band). but if it isn't, i can say they did a really good job on the production. fooled me.

leaf hound! yeah! i was just listening to that in the car last night. they should've been huge.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Is it fair to judge oaf- and thud-rockers based solely on the quality or frequency of impassioned declamations of the word "woman"?

I'm realizing that's an essential ingredient for me. If you can't holler/gargle "WOMAN" with as much feeling as Frijid Pink, you're just not in the major leagues, I'm thinking.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I couldn't get into the Head Over Heels record. After how long it took me to track down, it was a bit of a disappointment.

Myonga OTM re: Third World War - High Time is a very good comparison. I still really can't fathom anyone who doesn't love all three MC5 lps. But they are out there. High Time might even be better than the first one; better to dance to, anyway.

Does the Mt. Rushmore lp have them on the cover, like on DP's In Rock?!

Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link


Is it fair to judge oaf- and thud-rockers based solely on the quality or frequency of impassioned declamations of the word "woman"?

Most def! And/or "child" and/or "baby".

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link

"High on Mt Rushmore" has them SHIRTLESS AND SWEATY on the cover, if I'm remembering right. And (obv) fat and hairy. Fabulous.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, "child" and "baby" get Fanny into the inner circle, then, too -- which is required.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh wait, so Mt. Rushmore is the band that was on Dot? Whose album covers I saw pictured on the inner sleeve to my Hamilton Streetcar record? Yeah, I always wondered about them. Byron Coley, I think, was a fan.

Best "woman" exclamation is the Sir Lord Baltimore dude at the beginning of "Master Heartache".

Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Mt Rushmore was on Dot, or at least the first one (the only one I know).

I'm gonna go home tonight and find the Group Therapy cut where he cuts loose with my favorite all time "WOMAN!" My first instinct is that it's on Hey Joe, but I think I'm confusing it with a hall of fame "LISTEN, PEOPLE!"

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Fear Itself was on Dot. Let's get some more women involved here.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I like that Hamilton Streetcar album. I'm probably one of, oh, 4 people that does.

You know what I don't love as much as some people? That first Zior album. I never heard the second one. Great cover and all...

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link

more women....the Luv'd Ones! Proto-thud: "Your Mind Is"

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

And weren't the Split Level on Dot, too? Greatest label except for Dunhill, maybe?

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I love that Fear Itself album.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

If you go by dollar value, Mainstream is the label to beat. Them jazzbos went mad for the psych.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

The Hamilton Streetcar singles on Hazlewood's label, "Your Own Come Down" and "Confusion" were fucking amazing. The lp seemed a little tame in comparison, but that's probably unfair.

Ah yes, Dunhill. Home to DEMIAN. Can't believe I didn't like that record the first time I heard it. Thankfully, I came to my senses.

Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, re: Dunhill, I just figure that Steppenwolf + Fanny = history sewn up and delivered in one easy package.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I still have never heard the Demian album. I refuse to pay 80 bucks for it on ebay. which is what it goes for. I love Bubble Puppy of course. Who doesn't?

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey wait a minute -- were Dunhill collecting bands named after HEsse books?

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

And, free-associating, has anyone ever heard the Siddhartha record?

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Whenever I play The Second Damnation by The Damnation Of Adam Blessing - On UA, MY favorite label - I can't believe there was ever a better album made in the world. I want to be buried with it. It's playing now. That's why I'm getting so teary-eyed.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I haven't heard Siddhartha, no. Weren't they a German group? Germans always had a funny take on the heaviosity.

More free associating, has anybody heard this?? I've heard tell that the 18-minute Coloured Balls track on there - "God" - is like, THE great heavy distorto guitar overload track. But alas, it has yet to cross my path.

Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey Scott, are you down with The Illusion?

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Siddhartha's German -- I don't think it's that heavy, either -- never heard it, though. Totally agreed on the German heavy vibe (cf my comments upthread).

Never heard the Summer Jam LP -- sounds wicked, though. I mean, side two: God. That's pretty cool. A nice DJ set might segue that and ISB: Creation (at 16:XX, a little more equivocal, maybe).

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Now you're just going to have to avail yourself of Ramatam. Reissued recently, so it's a cinch. Mike Pinera on guitar but the big selling point was April Lawton on lead guitar. Word was she was a he with sexual reassignment but it could've been a scabrous lie. You decide!

Combination Captain Beyond, prog, heavy blooz thud and some funk. And it's not nearly as grand as the theory although the album does come
down on the better than average side of things. Review of it by the Saint of Cough Syrup can be found on-line at Rolling Stone. The Saint gives Ramatam the thumbs up in an accidentally funny and wretched essay.

They made it to a second record which I never heard.


George Smith, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

More free associating, has anybody heard this?? I've heard tell that the 18-minute Coloured Balls track on there - "God" - is like, THE great heavy distorto guitar overload track. But alas, it has yet to cross my path.

Yes, it's Billy Thorpe and the Aztecs. I have most of it on "Lock Up Your Mothers" which was a box set of three or four albums worth of material. Most of it, entirely great and about a step or a year on from the "black" Grand Funk live album.

George Smith, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Nate - The Illusion were okay. They were on Steed weren't they? Or one of their albums was. Maybe not the first one. I like the one where they are dead and dressed up like Indians on the cover. At least I think that was the cover. Something like that anyway.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

If It's So. Yeah, I found that one for $2. Uneven, kinda weird, though the first track ("Man") is big dumb cowbell ackshun.

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Nate, since you like funky stuff I would think you would like Black Pearl if you have never heard them. And Privilege too. Privilege were on T-Neck, the Isley's label. Funky psychy stuff. well, a lot of fuzz and funky drums anyway.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't really remember what the first Illusion album sounds like. maybe THAT one is better. I do like cowbells though. I have them both somewhere. they may have made more than two.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Does anyone know anything about a band called Crushed Butler? I remember seeing a ten-inch with six songs on it released a number of years ago; there was a really good song called "Love Is All Around Me" on it, but I haven't seen it since.

Kris (aqueduct), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anyone heard any albums by Trapeze? It was a power trio that included future Deep Purple bassist/vocalist Glenn Hughes and future Judas Priest drummer Dave Holland. I have the song "Medusa" on a Deep Purple box set and it is pretty good and the review of the album at Allmusic is favorable.

Thanks for the link about that 70s metal book, I will check that out.
Some aspiring label needs to get together and make a nuggets style compilation of this kind of stuff, I know I would be interested.


earlnash, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Privilege were on T-Neck, the Isley's label. Funky psychy stuff. well, a lot of fuzz and funky drums anyway

GIMME

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

black cat bones!

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Lucifer's Friend, anyone?
I've got LPs by Black Pearl, Pink Fairies, SL Baltimore, Spooky Tooth and Nitzinger but hey, I've never heard of Hamilton Streetcar. Sounds enticing.

lovebug starski, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link

The Hamilton Streetcar album isn't hard rock or anything though. More of a strange pop-psych concept thing with weird cover versions and lots of cool production tricks.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 10:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Are the Illusion are the same ones responsible for the single "Did You See Her Eyes?" It's thuddy garage-psyche w/ an unexpected funky bridge that eerily echoes Sly Stone & JB (to my ears.) Can their album(s) be that incredible?

lovebug starski, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

The albums aren't all that incredible. They are okay though. And usually can be found very cheap. You know, for a couple bucks, they are worth a listen.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 12:36 (nineteen years ago) link

do like a bit of this stonery stuff. Whatever its called. Still struggling to work out why revisionists have invented a year 1990 year zero for music that is rooted much earlier. Like a later garage where teens try the same process on harder heavier rock. & people with proven ability try to see what they can do with it.
I'm finally picking up on Japanese stuff I should have got a decade and a half ago. Other international stuff too, like zam rock basically taps into a very similar feel.

Stevo, Sunday, 7 April 2024 13:13 (one week ago) link


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