basic channel/maurizio/chain reaction, s&d

the dude who sold "just the CD" = first case of the metal tin breaking the metal tin

i liek 2 downlode

are the echospace 12"s different from the cd's tracks in any way?

Something I read seemed to suggest that the cd tracks were actually extended versions (or maybe different mixes) of the 12" tracks in certain cases.

Got the Scion "Arrange and Process" in the mail yesterday. Overall it's more upbeat techno than expected, but it sounds great. So far it seems BCD1 is a deeper listen, and wish the vinyl series was available on CD or official download.

those echospace detroit releases aren't particularly limited. they keep on repressing them. they are, however, ridiculously expensive.

i sold my monolake metal tin for in excess of $80 last year. it's getting reissued so get on it.

wish the vinyl series was available on CD or official download.

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the vinyl series mp3 rips i've heard on soulseek are horrendous quality

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Yeah, I've seen the blog link upthread but the old-fashioned warm fuzzy feeling of supporting the artists really adds to my enjoyment of the music.

i LOVE that arrange & process record. at first i wasn't so into it, but i came to it over time.

the vinyl series mp3 rips i've heard on soulseek are horrendous quality

-- resolved, Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:01 AM (21 minutes ago)

i must have the good rips then :_)

who knows, i'm comparing to how the records sound through an ok stereo so it's never going to be a fair contest. real master-sourced mp3s would be so much better but i highly doubt it's ever going to happen.

"sound quality" is sorta missing the point w/r/t basic channel, no?

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You know I just saw that the cv313 echospace was re-pressed resolved. I'll definitely try to get one of those, but it's kinda weird they're doing that after all the talk of these limited pressings.

xp, i always thought the point was a kind of hi-fi lossiness. you are gonna lose the hiss with compression!

no i don't think saying vinyl rips of basic channel aren't up to scratch is missing the point. obviously the series is imperfect sounding but it's a calculated imperfection, widescreened and bassy -- both of which are lacking from VINYL RIPPED 192 mp3s. although clearly they're far better than nothing if you don't want to buy a turntable/all the records.

it all depends on the 12" anyway. if you're saying superior sound quality doesn't add any extra value to eg bc04 we'll have to agree to disagree.

well, i know that the original pressing of round two sounded like utter crap and not on purpose. and there was sand or dirt on the stamper for the repress of lyot reshape. i don't think the poor sound quality was always calculated.

but you are right about them wanting to sound imperfect. the best description i ever heard of their sound was "like hearing a dope warehouse rave from a couple blocks away"

yeah some of the pressings are quite sloppy, i'll give you that -- but the clear version of bc04 -- oof. one of the best sounding records i own.

i dunno about the crackly press of lyot remix being unintentional though... i actually think it sounds better that way! as hardwax notes about its dancehall: "Most of these are Jamaican pressings, with crackle and dust built in. This is how it’s supposed to be!"

rhythm and sound no longer together?

http://www.eleventhvolume.com/miscellany/2007/08/04/sad-news/

i'd say moritz von oswald doing a remix of 2raumwohnung is a fairly strong indicator they're on a break at least. whatever happened to that luciano remix he had scheduled on ostgut ton?

holy blargh.

Anyway, if the warehouse rave thing is true of Basic Channel, then I feel like Fluxion is hearing a dark warehouse rave from inside a gigantic tank of water.

also. UR mix of Ploy is great, had never heard it before a few days ago.

they both did separate remixes of Tony Allen this year too.

yeah i know but the relative insignificance of 2raumwohnung just set the really set the alarm bells ringing for me...

-1st set the...

no offence intended to 2raumwohnung particularly. i'd just never imagine them getting a basic channel family remix.

i still haven't heard the full m-series, just the comp. cd

who's loss? your loss!

resolved, you are right about bc-04. the way that first track sounds, that way it moves me... i think my favorite basic channel song if i picked one. funky, dark, moody, uplifting rhythms, perfect timing, pumping bass

and the UR mix of ploy! that's what made me listen to UR. probably my fave UR song besides amazon and transition.

That Moritz mix of Tony Allen! =00000000000

should be 2x as long

wait, im thinking of moyege (marks disco dub).

maurizio!

substance!

i listen to the R&S CD the most of all the BC related stuff, followed by the BC:CD and then the Main Street CD. i have a bunch of all this stuff on vinyl, and i love playing the M records in a deejay set but on their own they dont do much.

and i know this is close to heresy, but i dont really like any of the Chain Reaction stuff. maybe a couple monolake bits and a couple porter ricks jams but most of that stuff is too clinical, not enough soul for my taste.

poppycock.

pipecock: no love for vainqueur? not even this?

That record isn't actually on Chain Reaction.

thanks for pointing that out

cos i said 'no love for chain reaction, not even this' up there, i can see

Rene Lowe's best work was on labels other than CR. Pipecock was not criticising Vainquer, but CR as a whole.

resolved fucking up doesn't make pipecock right, though

"pipecock: no love for vainqueur? not even this?

-- resolved"

nah, even that i thought was wildly overrated. some of my least favorite BC/R&S related records are the ones with tikiman on them (the early Burial mixes, the 2 middle Main Streets [though the last mainstreet is DEEEEEEEP, possible my favorite R&S jam!], etc). and vaniquer is just not my kind of thing. its funny, of the CR stuff, i feel like they were related to BC in the most shallow possible manner, none of it can really match the emotional content of the R&S records. obviously the BC guys were into it since they released it, but it was like they were putting out the less interesting music related to what they came up with.....

i think the early burial mixes are some of the best. never tell you the time and what a mistry are fantastic.

why is king

"i think the early burial mixes are some of the best. never tell you the time and what a mistry are fantastic.

-- elan"

i just dont feel them as much as say "best friend" (imo so obviously the best one), "music hit you", or "king/queen in my empire"......

yeah, best friend might be the best. and music hit you! that was the first thing where i sat down with a drum machine and figured out the beat. it's pretty simple, but whatevs.

this is like "what's better: quadrant dub or quadrant q1.1?" WHY CHOOSE. except you still found the wrong choice by slagging the tikiman showcase ;)

the dubplates & mastering-centered group of the time