Not for under $50 anyway, and I found zero torrents. Would anyone be willing to burn me double live or something? I want to legitimately buy this, but...don't know how.
― RabiesAngentleman, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 09:57 (5 years ago) Permalink
they're $40 with postage at Forced Exposure if that helps.
― sleeve, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 15:22 (5 years ago) Permalink
You can get this stuff direct from PSF still : http://www.psfrecords.com/index.html Around $40 each for Live 1 & 2.
― Matt #2, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 15:36 (5 years ago) Permalink
I'm not sure if posting links to mp3s is against the rules here or anything (nothing about in the FAQ), so I'll just mention that the double live albums were posted on Lost-in-Tyme a while back, if you're so inclined
― SchnappM, Thursday, 14 February 2008 02:08 (5 years ago) Permalink
if it's any consolation they are totally worth the 50 dollars.
― ryan, Thursday, 14 February 2008 02:16 (5 years ago) Permalink
As mentioned above, it's less than $40 each including postage from Japan when bought directly from PSF. Their prices are postage paid internationally, except for a flat $4 insurance charge on top of the whole order.
I similarly echo the sentiment that it is completely and undoubtedly worth it.
― krakow, Thursday, 14 February 2008 07:51 (5 years ago) Permalink
Ohh...oh man... I have to save my dough for a plane ticket to New Zealand ... and I want that White Heaven too.... This hurts me inside.
Has anyone heard Lost Aaraaf?
― RabiesAngentleman, Tuesday, 19 February 2008 14:18 (5 years ago) Permalink
Oh man that Lost Aaraaf album is fucking strange...I can't even think how to describe it. Recommended!
― Matt #2, Tuesday, 19 February 2008 17:11 (5 years ago) Permalink
Oddly enough I just bought the Lost Aaraaf album today and having stuck it on for the first time just now, I had to come see if anyone had ever said anything about it becuase it is indeed "fucking strange".
Bloody great though, it's going straight back on again once it finishes...
― krakow, Thursday, 26 March 2009 21:56 (4 years ago) Permalink
I knew this would be you reviving it!
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 26 March 2009 21:56 (4 years ago) Permalink
But of course.
P.S. Julio Desouza: I feel like he's a long lost mysterious spiritual guide or something; he was before my (ilx) era, but he's always there on the interesting threads. What's the story?
― krakow, Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:02 (4 years ago) Permalink
I have two copies of A Death Never To Be Complete (won them both on ebay at the same time). I've been meaning to ebay my spare copy for about 2 years now, but never get round to it. One of the few bands of whom I have everything.
― Duke, Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:11 (4 years ago) Permalink
I just paid a lot of money for that one. You should make a good price on eBay or discogs for that.
All I'm missing is "The Time Is Nigh", which I would most definitely make serious offers for anyone can be persuaded to part with it.
― krakow, Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:23 (4 years ago) Permalink
*if anyone
Right. You may think I'm shitting you, krakow, but I was just checking (and putting on) the Fushitsusha CD I have double, and it is "The Time is Nigh" and not (as I'd thought) "A Death etc". I tend to think of it as "the one with Black Cluster on it".
PM me and I'll send it to you. Better that than it lying around here for another two years. If you like (and only if you like) you can perhaps send me something.
― Duke, Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:38 (4 years ago) Permalink
Oh my!
I think my heart just stopped. Just be glad you don't live nearby or I'd be running over to kiss you right now! PM most definitely sent.
― krakow, Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:58 (4 years ago) Permalink
no worries! I just know that I'll never get round to selling it. (and I don't want any payment from you).
― Duke, Thursday, 26 March 2009 23:04 (4 years ago) Permalink
julio is around sometimes. some variation on xyzz or something
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 26 March 2009 23:09 (4 years ago) Permalink
Ah, I'll keep an eye out. (Waves at the mythical Julio).
― krakow, Thursday, 26 March 2009 23:12 (4 years ago) Permalink
I saw Fushitsusha play at Tonic back in November '99; it was supposed to be a two-set night, one solo Haino set and a Fushitsusha set, but for whatever reason was changed at the last minute to a three-hour Fushitsusha performance that was, no kidding, life-altering. Loads of wall-topplingly loud guitar, but also an astonishing electronics-and-hurdy-gurdy drone section in the middle. Fucking awesome.
― unperson, Friday, 27 March 2009 01:13 (4 years ago) Permalink
I'd wondered the same thing. And I recognise xyzzz from avant-gardey London show threads, so this makes sense.
― ambient bangers (gnarly sceptre), Friday, 27 March 2009 10:41 (4 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, he's xyzzz or whatever, and he's an A++ fellow.
― Dom Cry For Me, Passantino (NickB), Friday, 27 March 2009 10:51 (4 years ago) Permalink
Listening right now to "the wound that was given birth to must be bigger than the wound that gave birth".
It is highly recommended not least for the fact that it gives good prominence to Yasushi Ozawa's bass. On many other recordings (especially the double live sets) the bass gets rather smothered in the guitar madness. This album (recorded live in London) gives some real space to the bass.
― Duke, Friday, 27 March 2009 19:47 (4 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, that's one of my favorites. Also love Gold Blood and Withdrawe, this sable disclosure ere devot'd.
― unperson, Friday, 27 March 2009 21:00 (4 years ago) Permalink
Is the first translation of Fushitsusha, as "breathing life into non-living things" potentially valid, or not, as Tim Duke said? This is the meaning that I always had in my head.
What is Robert Musil's book called in Japanese, if Fushitsusha apparently means the same thing ("Man without qualities")?
"A very simple translation of Fushitsusha is something along the lines of "breathing life into nonliving things"(eg stereo systems) but Haino said you would have to read a really big book to even begin to understand the meaning of it"This is nonsense. Fu-Shitsu-Sha (for it is made up of three Japanese characters (kanji) means something along the lines of "un-person". Alan Cummings has translated it as "man with no qualities". The "fu" and "shitsu" parts mean "un-", "non", the "sha" means "person".― Tim Duke, Sunday, 30 April 2006 14:30 (3 years ago)
This is nonsense. Fu-Shitsu-Sha (for it is made up of three Japanese characters (kanji) means something along the lines of "un-person". Alan Cummings has translated it as "man with no qualities". The "fu" and "shitsu" parts mean "un-", "non", the "sha" means "person".
― Tim Duke, Sunday, 30 April 2006 14:30 (3 years ago)
― krakow, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 11:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
I just wrote a lengthy reply to your query and it somehow got lost...
"Breathing life into non-living things" is not a valid translation of Fu Shitsu Sha. In an interview Haino did once talk of "breathing life into non-living things", but he was not saying that this was the meaning of the group's name, simply that this was the effect/intention of its music.
不 = Fu失 = shitsu者 = sha
"Sha" is one of several Kanji that convey the idea of a person/human"Fu" and "shitsu" both convey the idea of "non-" or "un-". "Fu" is very common indeed, "Shitsu" less so (although I should say my Japanese is very basic".
Alan Cummings (no less) did once translate Fushitsusha as something along the lines of "A man without qualities" (if I recall correctly). Whether this is an indirect Musil reference is a good question, and one which has not been asked of Haino, to my knowledge.
The title of Musil's literary work is however written with different Kanji to those used in Fu Shitsu Sha -- but then you could convey this idea in so many different ways.
― Duke, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 22:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
Thanks Duke, that sounds pretty definitive to me. Sorry to have got you to restate your case, but it's quite frustrating to have no Japanese myself and so be completely in the dark on this stuff without major help.
― krakow, Thursday, 11 June 2009 07:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
non-unhuman
?
― what u arrestin me for, innit (╓abies), Thursday, 11 June 2009 07:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
non-unhuman?― what u arrestin me for, innit (╓abies), Thursday, 11 June 2009 09:37 (10 hours ago)
I would assume the two negatives enhance rather than contradict each other here.
I finally found the Alan Cummings note on the name Fushitsusha (and if anyone knows what it means, he does!)
Haino thought that he had coined the term himself. From the literal meaning of the characters used to write it, Fushitsusha means "a person without qualities." As far as I understand it (which probably isn't very far), in Buddhism the term refers to a process that occurs during deep meditation–after losing all sense of self, if you continue to meditate to a very deep level you will eventually rediscover yourself, but a self devoid of all qualities and spiritually pure. Nijiumu is also supposedly a Buddhist term–the literal meaning of the characters is "the merging of that which is and that which is not."The above is from Cummings' notes at the bottom of this interview with Haino: http://www.halana.com/haino.html
Here are two quotations from Haino which illuminate what he's getting at with the name:
I was really surprised once when someone told me that the word "Fushitsusha" appears in a Buddhist sutra. On one level, if you are able to explain what "Fushitsusha" means then that means that you can also define what Buddhism means. I heard that from an actual priest, someone who has read a lot of obscure texts. That's the sense in which I use "Fushitsusha." We talked about this before – how in Buddhism nothing is the same as everything, so nothingness is not something that you should aim for
I am not an anarchist, I am Anarchy... When Buddha meditated he achieved satori [spiritual awakening, or enlightenment], and the body disappeared, that would be the end. But what physically remains after satori is what was written up by the Buddha's pupils, not the satori itself. Buddha said he's got something that he cannot understand or express in words. My job, my anarchy, which is political only insofar as not being interested in politics at all is political, what I am trying to do is to express in music the satori that the Buddha achieved but couldn't explain
― Duke, Thursday, 11 June 2009 18:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
In the interview linked above (http://www.halana.com/haino.html), Cummings writes that he and Haino spoke over iced tea and cake. Which reminds me that Haino has a very sweet tooth (especially cake, it seems). So much so that he had to cancel an appearance about 3 years ago because he'd eaten too much cake and felt unwell. So much for the Lord of Darkness etc!
― Duke, Thursday, 11 June 2009 22:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
Amazing.
Thanks for your help again, and for a massive genuine laugh.
― krakow, Thursday, 11 June 2009 22:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
Anyone picked up the new Fushitsusha, "Hikari to Nazukeyo"? I'm trying to see if I can buy it locally before ordering online. Volcanic Tongue has it for a reasonable price (with typically OTT write-up by Keenan):
FushitsushaHikari to NazukeyoHeartfast HFCD-013CD£18.99Possibly the most anticipated release of 2012, the return of the greatest rock band on the planet, Keiji Haino’s Fushitsusha: Hikari to Nazukeyo sees Haino on guitar and vocals joined by original Fushitsusha/Kousokuya drummer Ikuro Takahashi and bassist Mitsuru Nasuno (who he also plays with in Seijaku).The rhythm section of Takahashi and Nasuno is as formally boggling as you might have hoped, with the pair playing in the kind of staggered signatures and over-lapping time/space visions of the Seijaku discs, but whereas the focus of those recordings was on birthing a form of future blues that took off from Steppenwolf, Albert King and The Doors here it feels very much as if the trio are attempting to reformulate original rock & roll moves, with a feel that’s somewhere between Scotty Moore, Eddie Cochran and John Lee Hooker, albeit wrestling with the kind of rhythmic equations that are most assuredly post-improvisation and deeply Japanese. Indeed, the album has two distinct sides, there are the ultra-thrifty insistent monochord carve-ups of classic trio rock/roll moves and there are the heady F/X saturated blow-outs, with Haino’s guitar exploding the kind of post-Hendrix vectors of Double Live while he sings in an otherworldly castrato, birthing a form of violent sacred music. At this point in time I think it’s safe to say that no one else has so successfully and rigorously disinterred and interrogated the basic tenets of rock music as Fushitsusha and to think that at 60 years old Haino is still making the most radical and searching rock music of anyone’s career is a tribute to his commitment to the specifics of vision and his belief in the potential of the form. From where I’m sitting it feels like the whole history of rock music has led up to this. Highest possible recommendation!
Possibly the most anticipated release of 2012, the return of the greatest rock band on the planet, Keiji Haino’s Fushitsusha: Hikari to Nazukeyo sees Haino on guitar and vocals joined by original Fushitsusha/Kousokuya drummer Ikuro Takahashi and bassist Mitsuru Nasuno (who he also plays with in Seijaku).The rhythm section of Takahashi and Nasuno is as formally boggling as you might have hoped, with the pair playing in the kind of staggered signatures and over-lapping time/space visions of the Seijaku discs, but whereas the focus of those recordings was on birthing a form of future blues that took off from Steppenwolf, Albert King and The Doors here it feels very much as if the trio are attempting to reformulate original rock & roll moves, with a feel that’s somewhere between Scotty Moore, Eddie Cochran and John Lee Hooker, albeit wrestling with the kind of rhythmic equations that are most assuredly post-improvisation and deeply Japanese. Indeed, the album has two distinct sides, there are the ultra-thrifty insistent monochord carve-ups of classic trio rock/roll moves and there are the heady F/X saturated blow-outs, with Haino’s guitar exploding the kind of post-Hendrix vectors of Double Live while he sings in an otherworldly castrato, birthing a form of violent sacred music. At this point in time I think it’s safe to say that no one else has so successfully and rigorously disinterred and interrogated the basic tenets of rock music as Fushitsusha and to think that at 60 years old Haino is still making the most radical and searching rock music of anyone’s career is a tribute to his commitment to the specifics of vision and his belief in the potential of the form. From where I’m sitting it feels like the whole history of rock music has led up to this. Highest possible recommendation!
― Duke, Friday, 18 May 2012 13:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
as if the trio are attempting to reformulate original rock & roll moves, with a feel that’s somewhere between Scotty Moore, Eddie Cochran and John Lee Hooker
I predict I will not hear what they're talking about and this will sound exactly like Fushitsusha to me.
― booth traums (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
Well done Dave for that write-up. Not buying it tho' but hopefully I can see them if they come to London.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 May 2012 09:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
I can really recommend Haino's new-ish trio, Seijaku. Haino describes them as "21st century blues". Two albums so far: http://www.doubtmusic.com/mart/dmf-136-7_e.html
― Duke, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, I wrote about Seijaku (and Haino generally) for Burning Ambulance a while back. Killer stuff. So's Aihiyo. Got a copy of this new Fushitsusha but haven't played it yet.
― 誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
See you all at TUSK!
― only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 22:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hikari to Nazukeyo
Lots, well, no fuck it, lots of hooks/riffs to hang on to. Fleeting moments of total transcendent vibery. Tightest wonk ever. Nasuno killing it throughout. A bunch of groovers to start off with then they go off on one. Only heard it via the Spotify thread yesterday but have already ordered a copy and keep coming back for more. Guess I really should go see em on Friday now!
― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 14:01 (7 months ago) Permalink
yeah I thought it was p cool; first time I actually felt like I 'got' it...
― remtrollison (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 16:14 (7 months ago) Permalink
Hikari is definitely more of a rock & roll proposition than usual... so short by Fushitsusha standards it feels like an EP. The new one Mabushii itazura na inori is a little longer, more 'jazzy' in a way, almost like a dryer, slightly more abrasive take on the Allegorical Misunderstanding type of sound. Nazoranai and particularly the last Haino/Ambarchi/O'Rourke collab (which is amazing) are closer to the old Fushitsusha to my ears.
And yeah, go see them live without hesitation. I've only seen the Haino/Ozawa/Takahashi lineup (at FIMAV in 1997, the show that was released as 'Withdrawe etc etc') but Haino in just about any form is always worth getting out of the house for.
― alb indys, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 17:24 (7 months ago) Permalink
cheaper tickets for friday btw http://www.wegottickets.com/sct/u3H5VZqmVm
― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 17:43 (7 months ago) Permalink
I can't make London, but will be at TUSK. Anyone else?
― NWOFHM! Overlord (krakow), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 22:34 (7 months ago) Permalink
ach, i bought my less cheap ticket already! they'd better be worth that extra £4 and the three minute walk it takes me to get to the venue.
― Perfect Chicken Forever (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 4 October 2012 00:44 (7 months ago) Permalink
How was it last night?!
TUSK seems a great little festival. Fushitsusha should be amazing in the intimacy of such a venue.
― NWOFHM! Overlord (krakow), Saturday, 6 October 2012 08:42 (7 months ago) Permalink
as i keep repeating to everyone who'll listen, afterwards it felt like i'd been in a fight. it was a pretty remarkable venue for them, the whole room felt oppressively thick with sound, really brutal and really incredible. john butcher's set was beautiful too, let's have everything in big old churches from now on.
― Perfect Chicken Forever (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 6 October 2012 13:53 (7 months ago) Permalink
Excellent!
Star & Shadow seems relatively small, hot and dark (in generally good ways, for gig experiences) as is, let alone when Fushitsusha unleash themselves... I cannot wait!
― NWOFHM! Overlord (krakow), Saturday, 6 October 2012 15:01 (7 months ago) Permalink
ok yeah Hikari to Nazukeyo is fantastic. Second, more thorough listening is yielding many rewards
― IMP of the perverse (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 27 October 2012 21:18 (6 months ago) Permalink