Tim Burton -- classic or dud?

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! Ed Wood never got a film/director Oscar Nomination?

Fucking NO. Martin Landau did pick up an Oscar for best supporting actor -- I think deserved, though Samuel Jackson (this was the year of Pulp Fiction, remember) admitted he was sorta bored by Ed Wood and wished he'd won! Can't blame him!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:43 (twenty years ago) link

ed wood was a huge flop

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:43 (twenty years ago) link

commercially speaking, thus no oscars

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:43 (twenty years ago) link

Oh yeah, and Ed Wood isn't on DVD either. I CAN GET ED WOOD'S OWN FILMS ON DVD BUT NOT TIM BURTON'S ED WOOD FILM. Grr.

thus no oscars

As noted, one Oscar.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:44 (twenty years ago) link

i mean no oscars for the film itself, like a directing or best picture award


maybe there are rights complications that have prevented it from being released on dvd?

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:46 (twenty years ago) link

That would be strange -- it's a Touchstone picture, I don't think they have any rights problems to clear with Disney looming over it all.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

it was just a thought, you're probably right.

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:48 (twenty years ago) link

It's being released February 3, 2004. Rejoice!

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:48 (twenty years ago) link

Voila

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:49 (twenty years ago) link

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:49 (twenty years ago) link

it's funny how i like that movie and have no interest at all in ed wood himself or his movies

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:50 (twenty years ago) link

Ditto.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 19:20 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
I've got the (cancelled until 2007ish) Ed Wood R1 DVD. I wonder if brother will notice if I just don't give it back to him?

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:18 (twenty years ago) link

(cancelled until 2007ish)

ARAGAHDFASDFBAFA.

I think your duty is to ensure good people have access to this fine product.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:22 (twenty years ago) link

I have no idea how, but I'd be glad to. I've got a Mac and a Superdrive (DVD-R), what do I need to do?

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:25 (twenty years ago) link

This is where I am not sure. But I have hunches certain people like Elvis T., if contacted, will give advice.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:29 (twenty years ago) link

Scissorhands and Mars Attacks were great.

Sleepy Hollow was shockingly bad, even from the design point of view, surprisingly.

R the bunged up with jollop of V (Jake Proudlock), Sunday, 8 February 2004 01:54 (twenty years ago) link

Ed Wood is Tim Burtons best film, hands down.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 8 February 2004 02:12 (twenty years ago) link

Tim Burton is even dudder than johnny Depp.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 8 February 2004 02:51 (twenty years ago) link

Can I ask - has Tim Burton ever collaborated with Tom Waits?

If not, why not?

dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 8 February 2004 04:06 (twenty years ago) link

five years pass...

please don't let him fuck up Maleficent

you have to forgive me (surm), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 15:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Palmer/Gaiman would mop the street with Burton/Carter's asses.

Kylie is a vacant Phifer (kingkongvsgodzilla), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 15:26 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...

please don't let him fuck up Maleficent

― you have to forgive me (surm), Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:17 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark

please don't let Angelina Jolie fuck up Maleficent!

big (surm), Monday, 29 March 2010 02:05 (fourteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
two weeks pass...

I only recently noticed that just about all of this guy's work has been remakes or reimaginings, all processed through the same kooky "Tim Burton, Auteur" filter. And I really, really want to say he's nothing but a big assembly-line hack, but then every few years he does something I like (Mars Attacks, Ed Wood, Sweeney Todd), which makes me think, huh, maybe this guy actually knows what he's doing. Which then in turn makes me think he's even more of a hack, for doing all the hacky stuff, when I know he's capable of better.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 January 2011 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Two out of three of those were from scripts or source material he didn't write, which may explain something.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 22 January 2011 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link

(And I realize yeah, remakes etc., but he seems to put a more 'personal' stamp on those versus something like Ed Wood in particular -- probably his most non-Burton film in the end. Also about the only one that doesn't have Danny Elfman doing the music; if it wasn't Depp as the star it would stand out even more, but I think it's also one of Depp's best performances, so.)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 22 January 2011 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah I still think Sweeney is a mediocre take on a brilliant musical, any credit for that movie is Sondheim's imo

Magic Our Maurice! (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 January 2011 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link

never saw the musical but the film was really good, and I was prepared to hate it, hating almost everything else burton does these days. but I still always give him a chance, because, like with Sweeney, he sometimes really delivers. but often he's just crap. frustrating. at least he finishes movies, unlike gilliam, though.

akm, Saturday, 22 January 2011 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

is this frankenweenie thing gon be stupid

weingarden by kawhineyscope (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 18:38 (eleven years ago) link

well, it is called Frankenweenie

set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link

Pre-judge for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE10-Mforlo

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link

It's like if Brad Bird decided to do a feature length remake of Family Dog.

The Most Typical and Popular Girl Rider (Crabbits), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link

LOOOOL

Mary Ty$ Band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link

frankenweenie was great, most enjoyable burton thing I've seen in years.

akm, Sunday, 7 October 2012 01:46 (eleven years ago) link

It was the most enjoyable Burton thing I've seen in years (decades), and it's not great.

Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Sunday, 7 October 2012 05:29 (eleven years ago) link

He peaked at Peewee's Big Adventure.

Leon Septamost, Sunday, 7 October 2012 05:54 (eleven years ago) link

It really is hilarious that after a string of so many adaptations and remakes, he finally got around to remaking his own film. Be even funnier if someone had independently rewritten the script, got it to Burton, and he was all "that's it! this idea is genius! finally, an original property to remind people why they liked me to begin with!"

Rewriting "Beetlejuice" right now, btw. Hoping to land Burton as director.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 October 2012 13:17 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

Took kids to Frankenweenie at the dollar theater yesterday (which is actually a $2.50 theater now, but anyway) -- it was fun, well made. Not a patch on, say, Coraline, but we all enjoyed it. My older kid (8) was actually sort of freaked out by some parts, but the younger one (4) happily munched popcorn straight through and was talking about it for hours afterward.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 24 December 2012 15:58 (eleven years ago) link

man i caught 30 minutes of edward scissorhands on tv last night while cooking/waiting for dinner for the first time in probably 20 years and jesus it was interminable.

packt like phoebe cates's dad in a chimney (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:45 (eleven years ago) link

more than any other director i can't square how this guy could make a couple of my favorite movies of all time and then a whole shit ton of pure skin-crawling dreck using the same basic aesthetic.

packt like phoebe cates's dad in a chimney (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:47 (eleven years ago) link

I caught Scissorhands for the first time in 20 years recently too and it was overwhelmingly slight, I thought. Burton is one of those directors whose aesthetic -- the idea of a Tim Burton film -- is better than any of his actual films that I recall.

In the early 90s/late 80s, Robert Smith-style gothiness + John Waters + Disney hit all the right buttons culturally.

Cunga, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 09:17 (eleven years ago) link

I haven't seen Ed Wood since it came out, but based on what I remember of it I'd still defend it as Burton's best (w/possible exception of Pee-Wee, but I give Paul Reubens more credit for that).

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 13:51 (eleven years ago) link

I've seen Ed Wood a number of times and I agree that it's his best.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 14:01 (eleven years ago) link

"Alice In Wonderland" is on TV later on. I'm kinda interested in seeing it tbh.

Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 14:09 (eleven years ago) link

ymmv, but it felt like a true artistic nadir for Burton the one time I saw it. Worse, even, than his take on Charlie&tCC. I occasionally watch the clip of Depp doing the "Futterwacken" dance on YT if I'm in a bleak mood, just to remind myself that things could always be worse.

that mustardless plate (Bill A), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 14:14 (eleven years ago) link

pee-wee > ed wood > beetlejuice > mars attacks > everything else

packt like phoebe cates's dad in a chimney (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 14:37 (eleven years ago) link

Looking back it's just so odd that this is who DC handed the first Batman film since the 60s - the allegedly first "serious" one - to. And that they gave him another! Not that I'm complaining about either.

I think he's had mistakes before and since, but Big Fish was the one that I remember watching and thinking "Wow, there's nothing in this".

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 14:38 (eleven years ago) link

tbf i haven't seen anything he's done in full since charlie and the chocolate factory, but then do i really need to?

packt like phoebe cates's dad in a chimney (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 14:38 (eleven years ago) link

clip here bc it’s truly excellent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE2bY2gOBhk

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 2 December 2022 23:20 (one year ago) link


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