Note too that I don't need to trash other cities to defend here. The
great things about Boston speak for themselves. If you want to hate
Boston, it's easy to do, but it's also easy to do that anywhere. I
know grass-is-always-greener type of people. But if you want to love
Boston, it's really easy too. It's a great walking city with a lot
of fun things to do.
People talk about the lack of integration, but I don't know how many
of you have walked through the South End, where you'll see people
from every continent in the world and other diverse backgrounds all
on the same streets. And people say hello to you when you're walking
down the street there. JP is really integrated too. Or check out
Cambridge or Maverick Square in East Boston. Since the 1990 census,
every area that had predominantly one racial group lost people from
that group and gained people from other groups. We also have the
university with the most nations represented (BU) of any university
in the nation.
Things close at 2 and it's definitely annoying, but you can go to the
North End, Chinatown, or certain bars after and hang around for most
of the night. Boston's great in the day too. You're never more than
two blocks from a great park of some waterfront, and there are some
of the most beautiful skyline views in the world here. Check out the
view from the East Boston waterfront, or the view when you're landing
at the airport or the view from the Mass Ave Bridge. Walk along the
harbor walk throughout the north end and South Boston.
As to friendly people, try really smiling and saying hi to people as
you walk in the morning. Sure, many will look away or not say hi.
I've tried the same experiment in a bunch of cities and that's true
everywhere, but some people will say hi. And people are much more
likely to say hi if you're just a bit further from downtown or the
touristy areas- once you get into neighborhoods.
We definitely have great culture at a manageable size. We spend the
most on culture per capita of any major city in the US. Our Symphony
Hall is one of the three best, acoustically, in the world. Our
Museum of Fine Arts has the second largest art collection in the
Western Hemisphere. Then we also have several university art
museums, the Museum of Bad Art, the world's largest outdoor modern
art exhibition center (in the western part of the state), and a great
sculpture park in Lincoln, MA.
Our local music scene is great. Listen to 101.7, WFNX radio, or the
college stations and check out the bars around Central Square.
And it's a city of today. Where else can you find two of the nations
top universities (three of the top 25) within four stops on a public
transportation line? Where else do you have 5 of the top 10
hospitals in the nation? The largest music store in the world? The
largest university library collection (the third largest library
collection in general)? The most books per square mile in the nation
(Harvard Square)? People who don't need to spend an hour getting
ready to leave the house every morning? The city ranked healthiest
in the nation by men's health? And the most liveable by some Swiss
Then Massachusetts is ranked the second best place in the nation to
raise a child for a combination of safety, education and other
reasons. This is one of the best job markets in the nation, and has
the most college-educated population of any state.
Boston brought you the telephone, the Internet, anasthesia, the
nation's first subway, the nation's first post office, the nation's
first police department, the nation's first YMCA, the birthplace of
two churches, the bulk of 19th century literature.
Then let's talk about people. Harvard educated 7 of the nation's
presidents. 4 presidents called MA home. Martin Luther King Jr. and
Malcolm X both called Boston home at one time or another. We were
the birthplace of the abolitionist movement and a center of the
women's rights movement. We are undoubtedly the nation's greatest
sports town, but if you don't like sports, it's not hard to find ways
to avoid them altogether.
We had the most breweries per capita in the nation at the turn of the
20th century. Today, we have much of the best beer again. Sam Adams
is great and a tour of the brewery, including 4 samples of beer and a
free souvenir glass is only $1.
We have two of the nation's top 10 beaches, aesthetically, within
this state. 3 of the top four liberal arts colleges (including the
best women's one). The best roller coaster in the world, according
to Park World Magazine (at 6 flags New England). We have one of the
lowest murder rates in the nation in this state, and we have been
held up as a national example of crime prevention.
We've also been seen as a national example for tobacco prevention,
public health, and foster care and adoption services.
This is a city filled with life and on the cusp of more great
things. The completion of the Big Dig will bring beautiful parks.
We're updating our waterfront, our airport, and our sports parks.
There's construction all over the city. Sure the construction
doesn't look that great, but it's a sign of a city that's very
We have always been a leading architectural city in this nation, and
our building codes work very hard to ensure we keep things to scale.
That's why our tallest skyscraper is only 60 stories. We have
architecture from 4 centuries here, from famous names including I.M.
Pei and Le Corbusier (Harvard's campus is the only place in the
nation with architecture from him). We have intricate sculptures on
the storefronts in downtown crossing and the building fronts in the
financial district. Our skyscrapers show a lot of variation.
Trinity Church is considered one of the top 10 architectural
structures in the nation.
our ice cream is great; try Herrel's in Harvard Square, especially
for their frappes.
If you know where to look, we have every ethnic food imaginable. And
we continue to keep the independent stores alive. Some unfortunately
are being lost to chains, but we still have many. Check out places
like Arlington Center and other small town centers for these. The
strip mall is not as ubiquitous here as elsewhere, and we have nice
Then the history is awesome.
Also, we're actually not as expensive a place for housing as many had
thought. Recent census info showed that.
So I have way too good a memory for this stuff. I love my city, and
if you have a pre-determined opinion, it's easy to remember the stuff
that confirms it.
I think the windy streets bring more life to the city. It's awesome
that cows were urban planners, though the signs could be better.
There are plenty of nice people around here. Don't complain about
their city so much, and you'll find more of them.
― JP, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Pissbreath, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink
By the way, Harvard's campus, or at least the Sert Gallery and the
VES department, isn't in Bosting, asshole.
― Brian MacDonald, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Dan Perry, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Paul, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink
― h4h4h4, Friday, 8 November 2002 01:54 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Cass, Sunday, 24 November 2002 02:05 (10 years ago) Permalink
― M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 24 November 2002 02:08 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Cass, Sunday, 24 November 2002 02:10 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Cass, Sunday, 24 November 2002 02:12 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Cass, Sunday, 24 November 2002 02:14 (10 years ago) Permalink
― M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 24 November 2002 02:23 (10 years ago) Permalink
:) :) Cool...by the way...I may have mixed you up with someone and you may not livein CA. If so, my bad...Thanks and Happy Holidays. :) :)
― Cass, Sunday, 24 November 2002 02:27 (10 years ago) Permalink
― M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 24 November 2002 02:33 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 24 November 2002 03:37 (10 years ago) Permalink
Dude, most of us aren't from Boston, what the hell?
― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 24 November 2002 04:12 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 24 November 2002 06:48 (10 years ago) Permalink
You may not be..but many of these other folks say they now live there...so that was to them.....get it? Not to you....and if you aren't from there you know even less about the place...yes driving can suck, but that is not a reason for me to hate a city, maybe it is for you....but read through these and many people aren't from Boston but NOW LIVE THERE...I, like BJ and others was saying they could all move back to where their from instead of being Boston residents (aka 'Bostonians') because they aren't that anyway, and hate it so much. I see you are not from there....that was not who the Bostonian thing was directed to...you live there you are considered one...excpet for them....and other than traffic why do you like Philly better? I am just curious?
― Cass, Sunday, 24 November 2002 14:32 (10 years ago) Permalink
Me too! Lynn...I love it!! Awesome message!
― Cass, Sunday, 24 November 2002 15:04 (10 years ago) Permalink
― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 24 November 2002 18:31 (10 years ago) Permalink
Smooches to you, too. Taking sides: "If you don't like it, go back where you came from!" vs "If you don't like it, what would you like to see different?"
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 24 November 2002 18:40 (10 years ago) Permalink
― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 24 November 2002 19:05 (10 years ago) Permalink
Puritan, get thee to Rhode Island!
― Mat Bo (Mat Bo), Sunday, 24 November 2002 19:54 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 24 November 2002 21:29 (10 years ago) Permalink
Dan, whatever happened to smug Joker fisty guy?
― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 24 November 2002 21:42 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Cass, Monday, 25 November 2002 03:37 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 25 November 2002 03:42 (10 years ago) Permalink
that, and both Philly and Baltimore have better food than Boston. and that includes better seafood. yes, Bostonians, you read that right. so much for Boston Harbor!
― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 25 November 2002 03:45 (10 years ago) Permalink
Philly also has a "little town" attitude, though Philadelphians are more justified in that it's the fifth-largest city in the country. And they aren't as full of themselves and their town as Bostonians are.
― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 25 November 2002 03:53 (10 years ago) Permalink
Tad basically explained it anyway, to take things down to the serious level for a sec, because it's so true. I think it's a freaking Massachusetts curse, thinking yourself very bloody important. This is why all the people on this thread who are not from Boston but live there and think a lot of it sucks and should be changed think it sucks and should be changed. It seems kind of telling that the majority of the people who just luuuuuuurve Boston are born there and everyone else wants to blow it up?
Whatever, the Red Sox suck ass, that's what it is.
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 25 November 2002 04:01 (10 years ago) Permalink
Anyway, just to dog-pile on Boston some more I have to mention the word that a Maine-born friend of mine uses in reference to Bostonians:
― Chris Barrus (xibalba), Monday, 25 November 2002 04:19 (10 years ago) Permalink
The glorification of "baked scrod" has to be the biggest Boston scam ever. But really, why would Philly have such good seafood? Is it the fish? The preparation? Tad?
Cass I'm really glad you had fun even though you weren't in Boston.
― Mat Bo (Mat Bo), Monday, 25 November 2002 05:32 (10 years ago) Permalink
I like the Bookstores records shops etc and found Boston much cheaper than NY for things when I was there next weekend. I found the people both friendlier and nicer (cab drivers and waiters). Maybe this is cause I was in Williamsburg NY the previous 2 days - and that place seems to breed horribleness.
Size? It takes only 25 min to get anywhere you need to go if you live sort of in the city. Compared to living in like Zone 2 or 3 or 4 of London for the same price? For all the time I spend commuting I don't have any time to enjoy the things London is supposed to be so great for - not to mention the fact that London does shut down at 1am as well.
Maybe when I hit my 30's I found find Boston's "young" population a bit annoying, but I certainly wanted ot move back there when I was there last weekend.
― marianna, Monday, 25 November 2002 10:36 (10 years ago) Permalink
what?? the point is that boston *completely* shuts down at 2am - whereas if i want to be out dancing in london til dawn i can do it any night of the week in any of dozens of places! and doubtless the same will be true of drinking come next summer, too.
― toby (tsg20), Monday, 25 November 2002 14:25 (10 years ago) Permalink
Well, yes, if you're going to come to NY I'd suggest most anywhere BUT WBurg, especially now a days with all the trustafarians living there.
And yes, London does stay open all night, there's absolutely no difficulty in finding a place to go if you really need to - I defy any Bostonian to tell me an after hours bar there. They've only got ONE strip club you know.
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 25 November 2002 14:30 (10 years ago) Permalink
Best thing about Boston = excellent guides / hosts (thanks Marianna!), good record shops, hanging out with the Perrys.
I was pleased to find that it is not the centre of Boston which is made of wood. The brain box in which I keep my thoughts about Boston is wooden though.
― Tim (Tim), Monday, 25 November 2002 14:48 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 25 November 2002 14:52 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 25 November 2002 14:55 (10 years ago) Permalink
― marianna, Monday, 25 November 2002 16:06 (10 years ago) Permalink
I think he opened for The Clientele! (not really, alas)
Favorite part of the Clientele show was when the lead singer said, "Please turn up the reverb on my mic, there's a real singer in the house," in reference to me (???). I immediately shouted, "MORE FALSETTO!!!" He chuckled and said, "Yes, more out-of-tune, rubbish falsetto... Where's that reverb?" He was GREBT, though.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 25 November 2002 16:11 (10 years ago) Permalink
― marianna, Monday, 25 November 2002 16:13 (10 years ago) Permalink
OK, than I'll do it.
― mike a (mike a), Monday, 25 November 2002 20:03 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 25 November 2002 20:05 (10 years ago) Permalink
― daria g, Tuesday, 26 November 2002 04:13 (10 years ago) Permalink
Um, the Phillies and the Orioles have won World Series in my lifetime. Which is more than can be said for the Red Sox. Another plus for the Phillies and the Orioles: when their ballparks get run-down and go to seed, they tear them down and build new ones. (same criticism goes for the Cubs, too)
and oh yeah those beloved Yankees and Mets really tore it up this year.
At least the Yankees made it to the playoffs. And I hate the Mets, so I'm probably just as happy as you are that they sucked (and will continue to suck).
― Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 05:07 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 12:56 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 13:00 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 7 December 2002 12:38 (10 years ago) Permalink
― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 09:25 (9 years ago) Permalink
aw, i was working down there yesterday but not today
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