Jesu - Conqueror ... Miles Away from Godflesh

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dissenters, bring it. i love it. personally, i think it sounds absolutely nothing like Selfless, but ... it's fun to see what others think. keep it coming.

― Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sure it's great. I am patient.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:16 (seventeen years ago) link

we could all learn from ned's zen.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link

i think i like it better than silver. i dont think ive ever heard any Godflesh. is Selfless a good place to start?

Also, I like the album art:

http://myspace-344.vo.llnwd.net/01549/44/33/1549323344_l.jpg

― mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link

i dont think ive ever heard any Godflesh.

Infidel.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Selfless was where I started. Bought it when it came out. Streetcleaner is most peoples favourite.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link

not godflesh; godlike.

i know it's only january 9, but i'm going to say GRIMLY ALBUM OF THE YEAR and i'm pretty sure i'll be right. "horizontal & weightless" being just ... ho, i don't really have the words.

i too will be buying it on vinyl the second it's out.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:52 (seventeen years ago) link

You will be lucky. You better be ready to keep refreshing the Conspiracy website. The last one sold out in 20 mins.
Now there's even MORE demand.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:53 (seventeen years ago) link

shit.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:55 (seventeen years ago) link

words that came through my mind by 1st listen:"accessible" "shoegaze" "codeine/slint/mogwai" "sadcore"
"monotonic".
i might like it.

― emekars (emekars), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I like Pure slightly more than Streetcleaner and way >>>>>>>>> than anything with the name Godflesh that came after (there are Ice and Techno Animal project though that I like more than Pure.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 01:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Streetcleaner was the first for me but Pure is very much in its own world, not least because Robert Hampson's all over it. A great memory: playing "Pure II" on an outdoor KUCI DJ setup back in 1994 during a late summer sunset. Loud as hell and amazing beyond words.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 01:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Now I definitely have to hear this.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 02:03 (seventeen years ago) link

i think i like it better than silver

&&&*&&)&&#&&&&@&!&&&& does not compute because nothing is better than Silver.

Can't wait to hear this.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 07:55 (seventeen years ago) link

although it's not something one's havent heard before, and although it's repeating the formula all over, i like this record.
heavy guitars and sound,beautiful melodies, metal meets post rock=
great indie record.
plus,i personally admire everything influenced by "Codeine".

and it's definetly not the sound of (the great)"Godflesh".

― emekars (emekars), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 09:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Waiting for the promo gods to shine on me and have this show up in my mailbox soon...

― BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Your music is somewhat of an acquired taste and obviously some are going to feel it's a little to slow or drawn out, while others would relate the quality of the music with smoking pot and listening to it while getting high. Which of the two, if either would you consider a bigger insult?

Neither, I recognize that there will be more people out there that cannot stand my music than there are people that would like it, that's obvious to me. I know it's too slow, boring and drawn out, ect, etc, etc. It's designed to be like that, that's how I like it. I get high and listen to music, I enjoy that, actually there's very little music I listen to straight. Getting high is a part of my every day existence, so this doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I'd recommend getting high to listen to most of my music. [Laughs]

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

"on the newest hymnal to be released from this monolithic post-hardcore figure?"

he's hardly monolithic! and he started making music in 1983, so i don't get the post-hardcore part either. maybe i am just musunderstanding. or don't know what post-hardcore means.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah I'm not quite sure I see the monolithic either actually (although I guess most of his post-Napalm Death/Head of David stuff has a certain dread consistency.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

i thought post-hardcore was sposed to be craps like the blood brothers.

not getting the use of the term monolithic. i met him and he wasn't black, rectangular or emitting a low, ominous hum.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 01:52 (seventeen years ago) link

1. I don't understand what's so difficult about my usage of the word monolithic. I mean really.

2. Post-hardcore means nothing. It's an umbrella term for a billion kinds of music. and yes, i realize he's been around since the early 80s.

3. I said hymnal. Obviously there was a little bit of humor in there. Just like when I said "post-hardcore" ... it was a small joke

lighten up!

― Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Thursday, 11 January 2007 01:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Ummm, I don't get this AT ALL. I love me some Godflesh, but this sounds like more of your standard post-post-rock, post-Mogwai, melody-deficient slop to me. Whiney and loud. Please give me the goggles that will make this as great as you're all saying. What exactly am I missing?

― Jesus Jones (Roger Fidelity), Thursday, 11 January 2007 02:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Bong hits?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 January 2007 02:21 (seventeen years ago) link

You take the bong hits, Ned ? And what's this about Medicine, eh ?

― Brad Laner (Brad Laner), Thursday, 11 January 2007 03:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Does NED RAGGETT smoke weed?

― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Thursday, 11 January 2007 03:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't need bong hits, my music mainlining is quite pure.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 January 2007 03:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Purity is over-rated

― Brad Laner (Brad Laner), Thursday, 11 January 2007 03:58 (seventeen years ago) link

But Pure is not! And so we come full circle. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 January 2007 04:00 (seventeen years ago) link

at any rate I heart jesu and evidently they heart me (dicine)

― Brad Laner (Brad Laner), Thursday, 11 January 2007 04:00 (seventeen years ago) link

which must thrill you, ned (smiley face emoticon)

― Brad Laner (Brad Laner), Thursday, 11 January 2007 04:01 (seventeen years ago) link

:-D

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 January 2007 04:02 (seventeen years ago) link

What exactly am I missing?

ears? a heart? a soul?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 11 January 2007 10:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Pfunkboy sent me this but my Winzip -> iTunes transfer is fucked, sadly. I may have to actually buy it! Can't wait, regardless.

Oh, and Brad, you still need to tell me about TEH LUSK. What was the plan when you all got together? How did you write such an unbelievable album? Will I ever get that title-track outta my head? Etc.

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

my Winzip -> iTunes transfer is fucked

??????

1) pkunzip "kindly_pfunkboy's_goodies.zip"
2) drag the MP3s to yr iTunes library.

er ...

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

nb: i will be buying the album NO MATTER WHAT. on vinyl, preferably, like i said upthread before everyone laughed and pointed and went AYE, CHINNY RECK-ON.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, they get to iTunes, but then they don't play. I get the dreaded exclamation mark of doom instead.

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

really? christ, that's odd. let me know if you manage to get it fixed or not.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm thinking the Jesu street team has captured my ipod because 'Medicine' came on shuffle three times yesterday. That tune sounds kind of like Robert Patrick sitting in with Pelican. Me likes.

― yours fondly, harshaw. (mrgn), Thursday, 11 January 2007 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

louis, are they mp3s or wmas? it might be something in your itunes settings.

― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Thursday, 11 January 2007 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Dammit, I was unable to d/l it from the dronerock fairy. So when it is actually out? (And hopefully common or garden CDs will not sell out so fast as vinyl? I might actually get one down Rough Trade?)

― The Long Grey And Overcast Tea Time Of The Soul (kate), Thursday, 11 January 2007 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link

it's out on february 20th, i think. i doubt there'll be any problem getting it on CD.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 11 January 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

OK I've just got another winRAR file to work on WinAmp (the new Cooper Temple Clause album), so a repeat dose of pfunk goodness will do the job. not that that's a hint or anything.

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 11 January 2007 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Scourage : there was no plan other than to have fun making a record with some stupid Tool dough. glad you like !

― Brad Laner (Brad Laner), Thursday, 11 January 2007 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Hooray!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 January 2007 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link

have fun making a record

This is probably the answer, and I wish a few more bands sounded like they were bloody enjoying themselves, mucking about, exploring what they could do, chasing a spider around the studio and sticking a fucked-up drum loop on top of it for 8.5 minutes...

And don't you mean 'some stupid Tool dough and some stupid Guns And Roses dough'? Seriously, the chances against that record being made increase exponentially when you take BOTH of 'em into account!

If you still get in touch with the other two, tell 'em I said 'Free Mars' (the title-track itself) is 'THE perfect 6-minute pop song'. 'Cos it is.

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 11 January 2007 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually CP joined gnr because Sñr rose dug teh lusk so much . but this was well after the record came out. I love that song too, it always makes me think of my crappy old apartment where we recorded my drum parts. Talk about yer tolerant neighbors !

― Brad Laner (Brad Laner), Thursday, 11 January 2007 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Axl Rose loved Lusk? Awesome! Things definitely looking up for the new album (oh, and I was just kidding about the 'chances against' anyway)!

I like the fact that the members of Lusk played different instruments on practically every song, btw. 'membramophones', wtf?

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 11 January 2007 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sorry, but, (and this is a testament to the high esteem in which I hold ILM's opinion) I've been through this entire album three times trying to hear something magical about this, and don't hear anything but ideas that have been done and done and done again by similarly boring bands like Pelican (who themselves were aping the entire mid-90s Quarterstick roster anyway, hoping longhairs would never find out). Even the production, sound of the guitars, etc, seem a little stock to me, even compared to the better Godflesh albums.

I've played it loud, I've played it quiet. I've played it stoned, I've played it straight. I have even, as grimly fiendish suggests upthread, had a guy come over and tune my ears, heart and soul, but maybe because I wouldn't let him near my balls, this album remains duller than shit for me. Sorry.

― Spine Swine (Roger Fidelity), Friday, 12 January 2007 00:08 (seventeen years ago) link

this does not sound anything like pelican, get over it

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 12 January 2007 00:11 (seventeen years ago) link

also--did you listen on headphones?

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 12 January 2007 00:12 (seventeen years ago) link

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So ... will they make the shows next week with Isis??

― Brad C., Thursday, 1 March 2007 02:05 (seventeen years ago) link

According to Isis' MySpace Jesu's with them next week.

Which sucks for me.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 1 March 2007 02:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Update from people who don't download leaks....this is RIDICULOUS. Can't wait to see 'em with ISIS next weekend, although honestly I'm looking forward to both Jesu and Torche way more than the main attration.

― call all destroyer, Monday, 5 March 2007 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

still slightly disappointed "stanlow" isn't an OMD cover, but hey

but hang on! listen again to the first 16 seconds. that is more than coincidence. that's a fucking sample.

not sure how i didn't spot this sooner. still.

― grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude uses an Auto-Tune on his voice, right? It seems very obvious on 'Weightless...'. I'm not saying I mind, in fact it kind of works; just saying is all.

― myopic_void, Friday, 9 March 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

A new interview courtesy of Brainwashed:

http://www.archive.org/download/brainwashed_eye_jesu/jesu-eye_070318.mov

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 March 2007 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Sound for Jesu live was very, very bad. Just sayin', maybe it was the venue but Isis didn't seem to have any trouble.

― call all destroyer, Monday, 19 March 2007 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I feel like I shouldn't like this album as most of the elements seem cheesy, but I keep listening to it. I think I really like it!

― n/a, Monday, 19 March 2007 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Give in. You'll be metal yet before you know it.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 March 2007 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

It is not metal! It is the fatty Bedhead!

― vals tips for teens, Monday, 19 March 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Baby steps, sir. We'll have him whistling Napalm Death ditties soon enough.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 March 2007 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

It's not the metalness, it's the keyboards, I think, that are the obstacle, and the vocals to some degree. But I have given in.

― n/a, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

i keep meaning to buy a bedhead album. i've never heard bedhead! i am intrigued by the bed and the head.

― scott seward, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

They're essentially stoner Joy Division. Kinda. They're good!

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes. Bedhead were very good. I'm completely boggled at "stoner Joy Division" (unless we're still talking about Jesu, in which case I'll let it pass without remark).

Anyway: Bedhead. Very nice. Like early Pinback, but less precious, more psychedelic. Coedine? Warmer than that. The What Fun Life Was album is particularly nice, not just a bunch of pretty, medicated drones either -- actual songs w/ memorable hooks. Kinda sing-songy, like sailors' lullabies. Drumming is super rudimentary, but it works, somehow. Other records are fine, but they were never again as great as this.

Downside: trad-indie. Sounds good in coffee shops. Exceedingly polite.

― Pye Poudre, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Beheaded pwns What Fun Life Was IMO.

Bedhead covered JD's Disorder - very well, I seem to recall.

― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link

They went a bit country-fried though! Stick with their 1st LP Whatfunlifewas which, coincidentally has several great 3/4 songs on it (for that other thread there).

(Mr Seward: I finally got the Armageddon album thanks to your constant eulogising / Caldwell worship. I'm letting it sink in right now - it's quite different to the 1st Captain Beyond.)

― myopic_void, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link

As Col. Poo points out, other people are often wrong about Bedhead.

They did a nice job with Cher's "Believe" as well (collab w/ Macha).

― Pye Poudre, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link

bleedin' xpostin' new board.

― myopic_void, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Newness Ends by the New Year (post-Bedhead band) is really good too.

― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

My "180gram" vinyl copy of that album sounds like it was forged from granite.

― myopic_void, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

As Col. Poo points out, other people are often wrong about Bedhead.

Indeed.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

those 2 last tracks from the japanese release has turned into an EP.
"sun down/sun rise".
and it's good, more ambient like.

― Zeno, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 20:42 (sixteen years ago) link

It was always going to be a 12" ep. But there was delays and it surfaced on the japanese 2cd 1st.

There's also a couple of ep's later this year to come. A split with Eluvium I think on Hydrahead/TRL.

― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Could never really get into this one! :-/

― original bgm, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 21:44 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...

http://bp1.blogger.com/_y_Am0c7DFvo/RwLcV2qm_MI/AAAAAAAAAck/i7bN8eBk9b8/s1600-h/968019.jpg

out next week.oct 9th.

― drone/a/sore, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 04:11 (sixteen years ago) link

oh well......jesu = lifeline avaiable next week.

― drone/a/sore, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 04:12 (sixteen years ago) link

There's a Daymare 2cd version too.

― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 12:04 (sixteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

conqueror i really do dig. but lately s/t has been revealing itself to me in awesome new ways. some great moody stuff there

― Charlie Howard, Monday, 19 May 2008 17:20 (fifteen years ago) link

S/T is definitely the best.

― Herman G. Neuname, Monday, 19 May 2008 17:31 (fifteen years ago) link

they are all good! a track off of "silver" came up on shuffle the other day and blew my mind.

― cutty, Monday, 19 May 2008 17:33 (fifteen years ago) link

They are all good... For me, "all" means s/t, Silver, Conqueror, and Lifeline.

Anyone care to comment on the rarities comp. or any of the weirder releases? Wish I could find that stuff...

― Usual Channels, Monday, 19 May 2008 17:47 (fifteen years ago) link

conquerer really grew on me

― latebloomer, Monday, 19 May 2008 17:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I really like the rarities comp a lot, "Don't Dream It" is one of the best things he's recorded as Jesu.

― aldo, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 12:11 (fifteen years ago) link

i dunno, i've listened to my rarities comp. once through and it came across as kinda underdeveloped.

― stephen, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 20:03 (fifteen years ago) link

I think the rarities comp is the only thing I don't have... Is it worth it/still available?

― jonathan - stl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 20:20 (fifteen years ago) link

cd is oop but vinyl was due january then april, but it should come soon.

― Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link

CD is still available from http://www.avalancheinc.co.uk/store.html

― stephen, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Down to last 100 copies though

― stephen, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Heh they haven't even updated when the vinyl is due.

― Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 22:34 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...

man, this jarboe/broadrick thing is shit. after the first couple of tracks it's just adult contemporary goth metal and sinister weather channel music. ugh.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 26 June 2008 13:37 (fifteen years ago) link

jarboe has some good synth sounds, though. shame about her singing.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 26 June 2008 13:38 (fifteen years ago) link

Envy/Jesu split is out now on Daymare Recordings

― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 26 June 2008 13:43 (fifteen years ago) link

!!!!!!! Must get.

I liked the Jarboe album! You're right that it does go downhill after the first couple tracks, but "sinister weather channel music" is a pretty heavy claim.

― jonathan - stl, Thursday, 26 June 2008 15:34 (fifteen years ago) link

haven't heard the Broadrick/Jarboe J2 thing yet, must do that soon, note to self...

― stephen, Saturday, 28 June 2008 02:52 (fifteen years ago) link

new split with battle of mice (super limited) coming very soon on robotic empire!

― stevie, Saturday, 28 June 2008 13:12 (fifteen years ago) link

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