― evan chronister (evan chronister), Monday, 11 April 2005 04:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Monday, 11 April 2005 06:46 (nineteen years ago) link
Ned nailed it. Gentlemen is built for listening while heartbroken & drunk, or when you feel nostalgic about being h/b & d. Cathartic, to use a cliche. And the rest of the band deserves more credit?
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 11 April 2005 08:57 (nineteen years ago) link
??? I assume this is a reference to Jane Gallop's argument in The Daughter's Seduction so to imply that this is a widely accepted piece of Lacanian terminology seems a little misleading.
― alext (alext), Monday, 11 April 2005 09:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Monday, 11 April 2005 09:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 11 April 2005 10:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Monday, 11 April 2005 10:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 11 April 2005 11:57 (nineteen years ago) link
The soulful storm of the music is pretty awesome, too. Part of the reason Mr. Dulli can be as out there and naked as he is is that the band is dead solid -- they match the mood of the lyrics without letting the vocals run them over.
― Lyra Jane (Lyra Jane), Monday, 11 April 2005 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― stevie (stevie), Monday, 11 April 2005 13:40 (nineteen years ago) link
Ned Raggett, why did your review dance around so long before actually talking about the album?
― daria g (daria g), Monday, 11 April 2005 14:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 April 2005 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 11 April 2005 14:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 11 April 2005 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― b b, Monday, 11 April 2005 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 11 April 2005 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 11 April 2005 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 11 April 2005 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Monday, 11 April 2005 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 11 April 2005 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Monday, 11 April 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link
What does that mean? man, if you all have the patience to figure out what the Xgau says in his cryptic reviews, why don't you have the patience to listen to the words in the songs? Goodness.
― daria g (daria g), Monday, 11 April 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 11 April 2005 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 11 April 2005 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 11 April 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link
I fail to understand how this is remotely cryptic, whether one has heard the record or not. Singer doesn't know as much about evil as he pretends; could apply to lots of singers. So what's not to understand?
― xhuxk, Monday, 11 April 2005 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Monday, 11 April 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link
I was totally gonna listen to some new shit and this thread made me throw on my Afghan mix-cd. They really need some kind of March To Fuzz 2CD hits-n-b'sides deal. Wonder if Elektra and Columbia would give their tracks to Sub Pop for one. My cd-r goes Conjure Me, Gentlemen, When We Two Parted, Going To Town, Honky's Ladder, Come See About Me, Mr. Superlove, Uptown Again, 66, Debonair, My Curse, My Enemy, Crazy, Turn On The Water, Bulletproof, Summer's Kiss, Milez Is Ded
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 11 April 2005 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 11 April 2005 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link
xp
― xhuxk, Monday, 11 April 2005 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Monday, 11 April 2005 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link
and of course they never killed you. they're a white guitar band from the 90s! I bet if you got thrown a hits comp like STP was nice enough to give ya you wouldn't be so blase about them. Their best is pretty great in the modern context.
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 11 April 2005 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Monday, 11 April 2005 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link
Ha ha, I DID, Anthony! I mentioned it above; it's a promo hits CD called *Histerectomy,* and yep, it's their catchiest album. Not nearly as catchy as the Stone Temple Pilots best-of-though....
― xhuxk, Monday, 11 April 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Monday, 11 April 2005 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Monday, 11 April 2005 16:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 11 April 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 11 April 2005 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link
I suppose it's a formulation that I despise - this conceit of knowing what other people think. It's really arrogant - "I know what you think and you don't know as much as I know you know." I mean, there are a lot of familiar film noir stylings on Black Love, but who says Dulli doesn't know that?
― daria g (daria g), Monday, 11 April 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Monday, 11 April 2005 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― daria g (daria g), Monday, 11 April 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link
bump
― THESE ARE MY FEELINGS! FEEL MY FEELINGS! (I eat cannibals), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link
brother woodrow
lead us
in the closing prayer
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 06:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Contemplating doing an album poll... basically the flipside of the LP is what I keep coming back for (swidt?):
My Curse -> Now You Know -> I Keep Coming Back -> Brother Woodrow/Closing Prayer
doesn't get better than this, actually replace "I Keep Coming Back" with "When We Too Parted" from Side A and that's like the perfect EP for me.
― ~~dark energy~~ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 05:37 (fourteen years ago) link
The Afghan Whigs "Gentlemen" Poll
― nate woolls, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 07:04 (fourteen years ago) link
oh wow, good to know quotes fuck up the text search string.
― ~~dark energy~~ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 07:06 (fourteen years ago) link
I realize this is a typical thing for me to say but I bought Up In It new and really enjoyed the hell out of it. Never got into anything they did after the debut though...
― Nate Carson, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 11:03 (fourteen years ago) link
a strange album for me - some of it i find incredible (the way dulli's razor-sharp, dipping and rising voice brings high levels of tension and catharsis to 'debonair'), while certain aspects of it strike me as terrible. the second half for instance seems to have a pretty high quota of tuneless slop, while a lot of the lyrics just plain misfire and render our protagonist just plain unlikeable despite his conviction to reflect himself honestly. overall, i find it flawed, fascinating and unusual, and there is something about it that draws me back on a pretty regular basis.
― charlie h, Monday, 6 December 2010 11:38 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v6g9N_qChw
― fauxmarc, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
I think the Afghan Whigs hold up pretty well, as it doesn't really sound as much of it's time either way 90s indie (like Superchunk or Sebadoh) or grunge sound (Soundgarden, Pearl Jam) or overtly noisy (Sonic Youth, Pavement). Their guitar playing was often kind of unique mix that was funky but not all the way like the Chili Peppers or Jane's Addiction rock but not heavy like something like Soundgarden. They would use some melodic arpeggios and some octive chords often pretty well. Add that in with drums that were more back beat than big overdrive, the Whigs kind of took their own angle with their sound.
To be honest, they were way more polished on their recordings than live when I saw them. You can kind of tell from the whole production and presentation that Dulli took making a record 'album' pretty serious.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
i thought they were pretty fierce live! the general issue was whether or not dulli crossed over into complete megalomania, but that had little bearing on the music
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
Gentlemen, 1965 and the first Twilight Singers album still sound great
― not bulimic, just a cat (James Morrison), Thursday, 25 August 2011 00:34 (twelve years ago) link
i see that you have omitted black love
― mookieproof, Thursday, 25 August 2011 00:38 (twelve years ago) link
blackberry belle >>>> gentlemen/black love >>>>> congregation/1965 >>>>>>> twilight singers (non-blackberry belle) >>>> up in it
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 03:58 (twelve years ago) link
Pretty good analysis there. Some of the Afghan Whigs EP's are pretty good too, he's not afraid to experiment a little bit.
― viborg, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 04:11 (twelve years ago) link
Actually, maybe I shouldn't have omitted Black Love, but I find myself listening to it less than the others, for some reason
― not bulimic, just a cat (James Morrison), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 06:00 (twelve years ago) link
1965 > Live At Howlin’ Wolf EP > Gentlemen > Twilight As Played By The Twilight Singers > Black Love > Bonnie & Clyde EP > She Loves You > Saturnalia >>> Uptown Avondale EP > A Stitch In Time EP > Blackberry Belle > What Jail Is Like EP > Amber Headlights >>>> Powder Burns
― challopian rubes (sic), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 06:01 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uD34P67ydA
The Sister Brother/Hey Cuz single is really worth tracking down imo, both sides are A++ prime Whigs.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 08:50 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjMUJUlkWyE
― A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
I love that Dulli was still claiming Cincinatti when he moved to LA post-Big Top Halloween.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 04:59 (two years ago) link
poortheatre was really talking greasy about the whigs, don't like it one bit
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 February 2022 05:26 (two years ago) link
brother woodrowlead usin the closing prayer
― Solaris Ocean Blue (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 February 2022 11:47 (two years ago) link