I loathe 'ver Zep', their sweatiness, their ponderousness (is that a word?) and their pretension. I'm very used to listening to music for the noise. Led Zeppelin make a nasty noise.
I don't think I've ever heard a band rock harder than the Roots Radics circa '81, and they sounded *beautiful*.
Tim
― Tim, Thursday, 28 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
With regards to the man's general worth, though, we must differ. ;-)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
1) There is nothing even remotely intellectual about Zep or their fans; their music is populism at its finest.
2) Hard to imagine what could be more smug than picking on teenage kids in middle America.
3) Why listen to Zep when you can listen to Sabbath? JOHN BONHAM. Black Sabbath, while masters of the riff (and Reality), had an anemic rhythm section. How many hip-hop groups have sampled Bill Ward's drum parts?
Zep ARE pretty sweaty, though.
― Mark Richardson, Thursday, 28 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Fred's right when he says Robert Plant's voice sounds like an escape (specifically, from the stuffiness and politeness of Britain when Plant was growing up) but, you know, you could say the same thing about fucking Merseybeat, for fuck's sake. While at the time they were hailed as an astonishing sonic progression from *that* lot over six years, Zep remind me of what Tom and I once said about the Beatles' hangers-on; you can't deny that they sounded like an escape and a new dawn for certain people listening to them, but that doesn't alter the fact that the music is terrible.
Yeah, Tom's nailed them good and proper.
― Robin Carmody, Thursday, 28 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Why listen to Led Zep when you have Black Sabbath? Because only listening to one band is boring unless it's The Cure or Prince.
― Dan Perry, Thursday, 28 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
but seriously (ha ha ha)! tom is oblivious to many of the things that make zep great, unless he's fooled me all of this time and is really into virtuosity and locking rhythm sections. ;) mark, as you say the music isn't really made for or by intellectuals. the concept of "suspension of disbelief" comes to mind, checking your brain at the door, etc., and if you're not up for that then, let me say it again, maybe zep isn't the band for you.
and what's all this talk of sabbath? are the same people who are criticizing robert plant's voice listening to a band fronted by ozzy? certainly, sabbath has created some incredibly sludgy and heavy riffs (and are probably currently a bigger influence than zep) but, as mark says, the rhythm section is weak and, God, i just can't *stand* ozzy. more power to you if you can!
― fred solinger, Thursday, 28 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
And Pitchfork can kiss my arse ;).
― Tom, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
i write paragraphs about them because i force myself to think about them: normally, zep isn't one of those bands one rattles on about. if i were listening to the music and *thinking* it'd be a conscious effort.
and pitchfork is *still* the internet king of music reviews, if you ask me. maybe -- and this is only a *maybe* -- you'd be in their league if you wrote a review, oh, more than once a month (or when the latest merritt album comes out).
― fred solinger, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― David, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
The ironic thing, I've just realised, is that my reaction to Led Zep *is* pretty much 'instinctual' - as I said to Fred in chat a few days ago, the difference is that I'm basically more of a punk than him. So I like Motorhead, he likes Zep, and both of us look around for rationalisations as to why the other one is less rockin'. Having grown up on the British music press and their horror of anything approaching prog or dinosaur rock, my gut instinct is to mistrust the virtuosity and bombast of the Zep: so my negative judgement is based on that 'unthinking' reaction.
Of course, I *could* think myself into liking some of their stuff, but as Fred says, that's hardly the point...
Busta Rhymes - 'This Means War' samples 'Iron Man'
Cypress Hill - 'I Ain't Goin' Out Like That' samples 'The Wizard'
And I'm sure that 'Behind the Wall of Sleep' has been used on a record too, Okay it's not quite 'When the Levee Breaks' but it's still got a fucking good, if loose, groove
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Who has more original, harder, stranger, colder, more bombastic riffs than Zep?
That said: Stairway to Heaven may be Zep's pop masterpiece, but pop isn't what I want out of a hard band. I've seen them twice but after the first album, they could only play arrangements of their multitracked recordings. If Zeps extraordinary arrangements bear any responsibility for the over-produced so-called power ballads that came after, I curse them. Finally, Jimmy played the coldest blues based solos ever - his solos bother me every time I hear them but, maybe that's a good thing.
― TK, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
as for zeppelin, to paraphrase cole gagne on branca, it does not matter what anyone thinks about them any more than it matters what anyone thinks of the sun. they were my ecstasy and education from ages 10-14 or so. i can't stand them most of the time now, after punk happened long ago for me but there are always precious moments when i can listen and get into it again. the reasons for loving them and hating them are both equally obvious and *don't matter*. zeppelin simply are.
curiously neglected so far:
i) the obvious vulnerable and androgynous qualities of robert plant's voice and persona. *this* is one item that separates them from standard macho beer-drinking rock and makes them valuable to misfit teen boys (god knows none of the *jocks* were listening to them in my gr 8 class).
ii) the tolkien's not there to make the fans feel smug and intellectual. fuck, when do most people read tolkien? gr 6? gr 7? it's there because, along with the music, zeppelin really aimed to create a fantasy-world and to achieve an otherworldly experience. item number two.
listening to just the cure all the time though. gah.
― sundar subramanian, Friday, 29 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― sundar subramanian, Saturday, 30 September 2000 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Josh, Sunday, 1 October 2000 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― sundar subramanian, Monday, 2 October 2000 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
The best Zep, though, were "Physical Graffiti" and "Presence." The first LP of the former is the best funk record ever recorded (better even that Parliament/Funkadelic). The second is just great.
― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Thursday, 5 October 2000 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Kris.
― Kris P. Ozzfest Rainout, Thursday, 5 October 2000 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― f.ccccc, Wednesday, 29 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Omar Munoz, Wednesday, 3 January 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― swastikas forever, Thursday, 25 January 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Jack Redelfs, Wednesday, 21 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Jeff J., Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― ray charles, Tuesday, 27 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― LZ, Saturday, 23 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Fuck you all
― Milton Robertson, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Fred's gay, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Nicole, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Later bands would imitate the screamin and screaching guitars; however, the rythm sectio could not be duplicated. Furthermore, the sound of led zeppelin was a result of a combination of many influencs,including indian classical and celtic. Later bands' sound was a result of musical interests within the band that were limited in genre.
All of the musicians in the band are of the highest quality. JImmy Page ranks as one of the best guitarists ever, and the rythm section of John Paul Jones an John Bonham is unrivaled. The songwritig duo of Page and Plant was also one of the best ever.
Contrary to the beliefs of some people who have posted, Led zeppelin set records for sales of tickets and albums. Their live performances shattered tickt sales records, due to elongated versions of songs such as moby dick, which is also an example of Bonham's amazing talent. They are also right behind the beatles in total record sales. HOwever, the beatles had 21 albums, where zep only had 10.
Now could somebody clarify how zeppelin isn't good, because i just don't see it.
― jim, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Rajesh Naik, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― muppet monkey, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I like Plant's voice.
― mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
But the stuff I think I most enjoy from them are when they were just plain goofy and/or eccentric. I'm thinking "Boogie with Stu", "Hats Off (to Roy Harper)", "The Crunge", "Hot Dog", etc
Can't think of too many weak moments from Zep, actually...
― Joe, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I can understand those who don't like them becasue of the Prog/Dinosaur overtones, but simply noting that they were in that field would negate the accusations of them bieng anti-intellectual and lacking skill.
Sure, some of their songs are *fairly* simple, but on the whole, they almost always managed to do something unexpected or quirky within the context of Loud Blues.
They're one of the few Rawk bands I can stand, because there's always something ungraspable about how they came to what they ended up doing. To me, if you can figure out how a band got to their end product (and could replicate it yourself), why bother listening to it?
― CountV/John T, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Zeppelin's music, if you listen to it, was exstremly inventive and layered. Led Zeppelins actually musical influence can actually be felt most from everyone from Prince to REM to Jane's Addiction to Smashing Pumpkins. Not lame hair metal, lol. On the other hand all Black Sabbath ever influenced was moronic crap like death metal, or black metal and a bunch of low IQed, beer swilling "metal heads" with a mentality to "break stuff" and worship the devil. Please.
Also the comments about Led Zeppelin not being intellectual are ignorant in my opinion. Is Mozart not intellectual? He certainly did not have many lyrics about war or polotics did he? What was intellectual about Zeppelin was there musical ability. The world was filled with tons of good and lame bands that where "politcally consious", i think they where and still are a breath of fresh air. I like some Punk rock, but if you are that non-ecclectic as to be turned off to great musicans because of some silly ideal or scene (like punk) then your a idiot.
― Robert, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
So, did Sabbath influence Iron Maiden or Judas Priest? Probably, but not in the way they might have liked. There may be a reason Maiden - a band that does few covers - did one of Whole Lotta Love, but never a single Sabbath tune.
― Jack Torrance, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― J Corabi, Friday, 12 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Ron
― Ron Murray, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
So they influenced R. Kelly, too!
― Dan Perry, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dleone, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― chaki, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ben Williams, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s, Saturday, 8 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Anyband with Bonham at the back was on to a winner (unless it was Bonham's own band) and Page and Plant ain't so bad either. Actually, I recall Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull fame telling Melody Maker back in the day that with his lyrics and Zep's music they "could have made quite a good little rock and roll band." Ha ha ha ha ha.. sorry, I laugh my ass off everytime I hear that.
Gimme Physical Graffiti everytime. I think it's actually too good, if that's possible, which it isn't, but it feels like it is when I listen to that album. Does anyone else know what I (don't) mean?
― Roger Fascist, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew L, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Meagan, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 07:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
Actually quite many. Check out Sabbath's "Behind the wall of sleep".
― Esko, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 16:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 19:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
I love the cutting little riff jimmy plays during the middle 8… and bozo is phenomenal of course
― not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Friday, 24 February 2023 22:15 (one year ago) link
Pretty telling it that they put it first
― calstars, Friday, 24 February 2023 22:32 (one year ago) link
I have a friend who is strangely resistant to LZ. I saw him make some snide remark online, along the lines of "well, maybe I'll give the first Zeppelin album another shot, but I don't like this band in blooze mode," and I was all, dude, first song, first side!!!!!!!
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 24 February 2023 23:21 (one year ago) link
don’t forget the triplets on d&c
― calstars, Friday, 24 February 2023 23:33 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TORvjbwycACover of tea for one, the drummer really has that JB snare tone
― calstars, Saturday, 20 May 2023 21:12 (eleven months ago) link
https://www.mrjimmymovie.com/
― calstars, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 02:35 (seven months ago) link
What happened to that Zeppelin documentary. that was due?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 15:24 (seven months ago) link
Apparently being re-edited after some mixed reviews: https://www.loudersound.com/news/the-long-awaited-led-zeppelin-documentary-becoming-led-zeppelin-has-undergone-a-name-change-and-is-being-re-edited
― bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 15:47 (seven months ago) link
Oh well. At least we finally got "RoboDoc."
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 16:21 (seven months ago) link
“I will share your love…”
― calstars, Monday, 2 October 2023 01:00 (six months ago) link
ANDIFYOUFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELTHATYOUCAN'TGO ON
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 2 October 2023 01:22 (six months ago) link
^
― calstars, Monday, 2 October 2023 01:28 (six months ago) link
Phil Collins has insisted, and rightly so, that he was not the one that fucked up the Live-Aid performance. He said the gathered band had not rehearsed, and Tony Thompson in particular arrogantly/cocainely insisted he knew the song, but as Phil pointed out, "Stairway" is deceptively tricky in its timing. Now, Phil rules, of course, and he's right. In fact, here's this clip of the song being performed sans vocals, with Simon Phillips on drums. Phillips is a mutant, one of the most insanely talented drummers of all time, and *he* fucks it up, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1t_SZWhN44
The story is that he was jet-lagged and didn't get a shot to rehearse it, either, but also that especially without vocals he just totally lost his place.
Good band, that Zeppelin.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 October 2023 00:30 (six months ago) link
Uhh
― calstars, Monday, 23 October 2023 01:34 (six months ago) link
cocainely lol
― Reeves Gabrels' Funko Pop (majorairbro), Monday, 23 October 2023 01:46 (six months ago) link
Ooooooooohhh yeah
― calstars, Monday, 23 October 2023 02:18 (six months ago) link
feel like doing stairway at live aid was the mistake, it's a zeppelin reunion with tony thompson, switch that out for wanton song or trampled underfoot or something, nobody is going to mind
― Florin Cuchares, Monday, 23 October 2023 03:57 (six months ago) link
Tony couldn’t handle the bridge and overplayed the rest of it.
― calstars, Monday, 23 October 2023 10:47 (six months ago) link
I am skeptical that anyone has ever deciphered these lyrics on their own
On we sweep with threshing oarOur only goal will be the western shore
― what you say is true but by no means (lukas), Friday, 22 December 2023 22:55 (four months ago) link
ham sandwich of the gods
― calstars, Friday, 22 December 2023 22:59 (four months ago) link
Something something Tolkien
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 22 December 2023 22:59 (four months ago) link
on we sweep with thrashing oari wanna go where we can swing along
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 22 December 2023 23:02 (four months ago) link
Not before being overrun.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Saturday, 23 December 2023 02:56 (four months ago) link
https://content.invisioncic.com/r149629/monthly_2019_09/IMG_20190903_135947885.jpg.a9115472cabd46bc1abbe3354fe2430b.jpg
The coming of the cold will drive our ships to new landsI want to go where there’s a rest and a showI sometimes feel so green,and whisper Tales of Storms.Howling come, the tides are warmWe are an overloadAlways seek, push it on,I want to go where there’s a rest and a showPeace (and just get with it)! Disband, all you losin’s!
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 23 December 2023 18:09 (four months ago) link
Ah . . . ah . . . .
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 23 December 2023 18:13 (four months ago) link
Fightin’ the haul
― calstars, Saturday, 23 December 2023 18:17 (four months ago) link
I am comingBut now you know
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 23 December 2023 21:39 (four months ago) link
This is almost as good as the Japanese import of Elvis Costello's Almost Blue we had in the store back in the day
Why don't you love me like you used to doWhy do you treat me like a one-eyed Jew
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 23 December 2023 21:41 (four months ago) link
I wanna go where there's a rest and show
OTM
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 23 December 2023 21:44 (four months ago) link
The Rhythm of the Cause will drive worship anew, lads
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 24 December 2023 15:40 (four months ago) link
Never before seen live footage from 1977:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6scSFmaWkew
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Sunday, 14 January 2024 00:16 (three months ago) link
WOW!!
― completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 14 January 2024 11:51 (three months ago) link
Bonham having a cig during the acoustic set lol
― calstars, Sunday, 14 January 2024 11:56 (three months ago) link
met a man on the roadside crying
without a friend there's no denying
you're incomplete
there'll be no finding
looking for what you knew
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 18 January 2024 23:03 (three months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Fl7mk3N.jpeg
― calstars, Saturday, 24 February 2024 20:34 (two months ago) link
still have to pinch myself.
― Swen, Saturday, 24 February 2024 21:12 (two months ago) link
“We’re gonna Groove” should be rated. Killer
― calstars, Sunday, 3 March 2024 23:21 (one month ago) link
listening to houses today, Percy's voice on the song remains the same lol
― Swen, Monday, 4 March 2024 19:05 (one month ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2t1E8zUvG8-
― calstars, Friday, 15 March 2024 01:23 (one month ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/quXxjol.png
― calstars, Saturday, 16 March 2024 21:30 (one month ago) link
Like hearing Jimmy go all technical but the editing on that promo is headache inducing.
― completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 17 March 2024 14:24 (one month ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u1C9MiFtlM
― calstars, Friday, 22 March 2024 01:05 (one month ago) link
one of my friends just posted this weird cover of "san francisco"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b54U-bYh5bU
and listening to it, it seems to be based on the "san francisco" interpolation into "dazed and confused" in '73? a, uh, sort of achillean take on san francisco (#onethread). except with like. autotune and stuff.
a little bit "what why"
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 25 March 2024 20:50 (four weeks ago) link
don't think i'd ever seen this footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsRSwlGDtTw
― scott seward, Thursday, 18 April 2024 02:37 (six days ago) link
is that donovan at 5:53 or so?
it's weird how young and small everyone looks, and how dirty. i'm glad this clip isn't in smell-o-vision - the unwashed bodies, the constant ciggies. so weird to see bonham looking young and healthy.
― Big Bong Theory (stevie), Thursday, 18 April 2024 08:15 (six days ago) link
Yes, that is Donovan. Page and Jones played on a few of his recordings.
― My God's got no nose... (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 April 2024 08:25 (six days ago) link