2008 Primaries Thread

you sound just like Eric Alterman! you might wanna have that looked at.

it's nice that a presumed democracy is ruled with the iron fist of two corporate parties tho. Better horseshit than high horses, right?

Nader/Paul Revolution!

morbs are u ;_; abt edwards? s'ok commere s'ok *hugs*

the horseshit just falls from a greater height, morbs.

i'd vote for nader just because i hated the backlash against him the last election

braindamages

Does McCain have enough hair to be president? You have to go back a long, long way before you find a pretty bald guy who got elected.

yeah, all the way to gerry ford

yeah thats about the level of discourse i expect from you gabbneb

oh, got elected, rite

any time, sub-NS dude

I had no illusions with Edwards; he just had the best script of the remaining three. I will vote unenthusiastically for Obama on Tuesday, expecting nothing.

Perrin:

What if it's McCain vs. Hillary in November? Oh man, that would be a blast to witness. Two nearly identical choices for imperial manager, the one slight difference being that McCain says he's opposed to torture, while Hillary must wait to check wind velocity and direction. I can see the liberals twisting themselves into numerous knots trying to justify a Hillary vote over McCain, assuring each other that it's the right thing to do, and of course reaching back to Bill's criminal years for inspiration. You mules better hope that Saint Obama gets the nod instead. At least with him, the fantasy is easier to pull off. Change! Hope! Stardust! Ponies! If I ruled the world . . .

http://dennisperrin.blogspot.com/2008/01/pre-soaking-your-sane.html

sub ns?

i can virtually guarantee that most noizers will NOT like what we play

What, you do melody?

-- Dr Morbius, Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:36 AM (Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:36 AM) Bookmark Link

go back to norway, morbs! it's the land of purity!

Obama on Edwards' exit:

“John Edwards has spent a lifetime fighting to give voice to the voiceless and hope to the struggling, even when it wasn’t popular to do or covered in the news. At a time when our politics is too focused on who’s up and who’s down, he made a nation focus again on who matters – the New Orleans child without a home, the West Virginia miner without a job, the families who live in that other America that is not seen or heard or talked about by our leaders in Washington.

"John and Elizabeth Edwards have always believed deeply that we can change this – that two Americans can become one, and that our country can rally around this common purpose. So while his campaign may end today, the cause of their lives endures for all of us who still believe that we can achieve that dream of one America.

there goes our chances for ending poverty

there they goes, indeed

edwards is out?!? well, looks like obama's getting my Pennsylvania primary vote, inevitable marital arguments be damned.

I don't give a fuck about purity, gabbhole; just having a meaningful choice.

won't everyone arrange to make Morbs' vote "meaningful"?

"meaningful vote" = "protest vote", no?

no. But if the only candidate offering CHANGE is a no-hope minor-party candidate, that's where I go out of necessity.

lyndon larouche is offering change

is paul the new larouche?

nader's the new larouche; paul's the new david duke

Yes, yes, polls are irrelevant at this point. Nevertheless, Drudge reports that Rasmussen's new numbers show McCain beating HRC (48% -- 40%) and Obama (47% -- 41%). This is not where nat'l Democratic leaders expected to be nine months out from the General Election.

http://i29.tinypic.com/e0268i.jpg

this guy? not convinced

beating mccain will have to happen in the press. it'll be extraordinarily difficult to get the major media to rethink it's strange hard-on for this ill-tempered and unreliable guy, but that's what will have to happen.

if mccain considers giving up his all war all the time stance then i will consider being afraid of him (but only if hillary is the nominee)

not to mention this coming rescission isnt going to go over well for the gop

richardson, edwards, & gore are now the endorsements to get, i guess. i expect edwards will endorse someone, not sure about gore or richardson

is everyone convinced mitt won't win california?

not exactly an endorsement, but close enough:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/30/carter-praises-obama/

"Obama's campaign has been extraordinary and titillating for me and my family," Carter told the newspaper in an interview published in its Wednesday edition.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/images/01/30/art.carter.gi.jpg

Carter: Obama Titillates Me

SO DIDN'T NEED TO KNOW THAT, JIMMY

the whole family!

"I have titillated in my heart..."

in hopes of getting an endorsement, i think obama was pretty smart to act fast and kiss up to edwards, publically

i can't source this right now, but i think edwards informed obama before he informed clinton? fwiw

hmm

whichever way his endorsement goes, if it comes before super tuesday, it will probably be timed to get the most press coverage and influence the vote the most. i'd guess late saturday.

McCain will never win - evangelicals and racist libertarian types will stay home, suppressing Republican voter turnout. right-wing radio hates him, which is no small thing. If he's the nominee, what it will come down to is how motivated the Democratic voting base is and getting them to turnout, which I don't think is going to be a problem.

also I dunno if I missed any discussion upthread but I was feelin the major schaudenfreude for Rudy last night

is everyone convinced mitt won't win california?

i'm pretty sure that delegates are doled out by congressional district

I am already imagining Chuck Schumer's rationale for voting to confirm Rudy as McCain's AG next February.

McCain = Kerry of the GOP in function, Dean of the GOP in gaffes, except even more fracturing squared.

if mccain considers giving up his all war all the time stance then i will consider being afraid of him (but only if hillary is the nominee)

if McCain considers giving up his stance for the Iraq war in earnest, and mentions wanting to pull out, moreover apologizes for "bomb bomb bomb-bomb Iran", McCain will actually be the most relatively decent GOP candidate for president since I was born, and the idea of his election won't nearly scare the shit out of me.

Of course, if he just SAYS this to get elected, and then does the opposite -- entire possible -- then never mind.

But Shakey's right, although I wouldn't generalize that result as much, but still I think many here are NOT looking at how chaotically fucked the GOP is.

We're scared of a guy who the GOP couldn't hate even more right now, stressing "right now"

We all know McCain suffers BADLY whenever he kowtows to the party line, should that be his campaign strategy. McCain comes off as a dumb old crazy guy. Even John Howard, ex-Australia PM, would do better here than McCain. (in fact, they kinda look the same.)

And this is as good as it can get for a GOP vote. Romney has no chance either. There just isn't anyone on the GOP side who can make the GOP happy. That alone will likely sink the GOP.

I like how Drudge's percentage points barely add up to 90%.

I predict that voter turnout will be huge on both sides and that it will be a close contest.

McCain is a serious threat, but none of these candidates have run in a GE and certainly not against each other, so who knows what things will look like. This will be tight.

I do think Obama is the Dem candidate with the greatest chance of not looking like the same old same-old.

I am already imagining Chuck Schumer's rationale for voting to confirm Rudy as McCain's AG next February.

lol

McCain vs. Hillary would make for the most unlistenable campaign ever - both are horrible public speakers