I loved that during the whole thing a constant stream of a hundred joggers is passing by.
― Walter Galt, Thursday, 15 May 2014 11:03 (ten years ago) link
Yes both in the scene by the water and in the subway I was very conscious of the other people around and the camera, which seemed to pan nimbly at moments when the extras could have been in the sh. I guess those were extras? Or the general public?
― calstars, Thursday, 15 May 2014 13:22 (ten years ago) link
He's a good director, the subway scene was actually very tense.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 15 May 2014 13:25 (ten years ago) link
Yeah also losing your child in public is I think every parents nightmare but I don't know if it's treated a lot in media
Like the only comparison I have is minority report
― 龜, Thursday, 15 May 2014 13:39 (ten years ago) link
heavy rain
― Mordy, Thursday, 15 May 2014 18:06 (ten years ago) link
this reminded me of the scene in that Jeff Bridges country-singer movie where he stops into a bar for a drink and his granddaughter (?) wanders away.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 May 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link
did appreciate the disembodied hand on her shoulder/voice asking her if she's lost
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 May 2014 18:09 (ten years ago) link
― 龜, Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:39 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this scene made me so anxious, yikes
― espring (amateurist), Thursday, 15 May 2014 19:13 (ten years ago) link
and i don't even have a kid
― espring (amateurist), Thursday, 15 May 2014 19:14 (ten years ago) link
― Mordy, Friday, May 16, 2014 2:06 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
Plot device was very effectively deployed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t0uCWjQ6Og
― 龜, Friday, 16 May 2014 00:15 (ten years ago) link
wtf is that
― display name changed. (amateurist), Friday, 16 May 2014 00:33 (ten years ago) link
Here's the scene Mordy was talking about fwiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfSGyiqis1c
― polyphonic, Friday, 16 May 2014 00:46 (ten years ago) link
creepy as f
― calstars, Friday, 16 May 2014 00:48 (ten years ago) link
i don't understand; is some gamer "playing" that character?
i haven't played a video game in 15 years, I have no idea what is happening there.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Friday, 16 May 2014 15:10 (ten years ago) link
what does it mean when the ghosts are blinking
― j., Friday, 16 May 2014 15:13 (ten years ago) link
Man, didn't know Michael Haneke made video games.
― That's So (Eazy), Friday, 16 May 2014 15:15 (ten years ago) link
a point of some contention
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 16 May 2014 18:06 (ten years ago) link
it's all greek to me
― display name changed. (amateurist), Friday, 16 May 2014 19:56 (ten years ago) link
amateurist: http://www.wired.com/2010/02/review-heavy-rain/
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 May 2014 21:43 (ten years ago) link
also: http://www.gamecritics.com/richard-naik/heavy-rain-review
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 May 2014 21:44 (ten years ago) link
anyone know of a good "contemporary gaming for dummies"-type article or book. for someone who, as far as games are concerned, has been basically sleeping under a rock since the late 1980s?
― display name changed. (amateurist), Friday, 16 May 2014 21:54 (ten years ago) link
ok read that review, sounds more like a choose-your-own-adventure thing than anything truly ludic
― display name changed. (amateurist), Friday, 16 May 2014 21:57 (ten years ago) link
i guess this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_Lives:_Why_Video_Games_Matter
― festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 16 May 2014 22:17 (ten years ago) link
heavy rain sucked unfortunately
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 May 2014 22:42 (ten years ago) link
good first line of a novel
― display name changed. (amateurist), Friday, 16 May 2014 23:28 (ten years ago) link
i like the ambiguity: did it "suck, unfortunately" or "suck unfortunately"?
― display name changed. (amateurist), Friday, 16 May 2014 23:51 (ten years ago) link
both
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 17 May 2014 04:54 (ten years ago) link
Thing about this show is that sometimes it's just not that funny and yet that has absolutely no bearing on whether or not it's a good episode, like he just has the bravery to not be funny for long periods of time. He's so good at hitting a particular emotional register and then holding you there for way longer than TV ever usually does. Last couple of episodes have been so great.
That said I pretty much cried laughing at the bin men scene in the opening episode.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 17 May 2014 09:06 (ten years ago) link
I wish a hell of a lot more comedy was less concerned with trying to be funny.
― Surprise, It's My Butt (Old Lunch), Saturday, 17 May 2014 11:56 (ten years ago) link
Why? Like, why make/watch "comedy" that isn't interested in being funny?
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Saturday, 17 May 2014 12:19 (ten years ago) link
Because it does other things, like make you think about shit you otherwise don't? Or because you empathise with or care about the characters?
― Matt DC, Saturday, 17 May 2014 12:46 (ten years ago) link
I have dramas for that
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Saturday, 17 May 2014 12:59 (ten years ago) link
I dunno I think this show's rly dull and pretentious anyway
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Saturday, 17 May 2014 13:00 (ten years ago) link
Why cant I think about interesting shit and laugh as well? Cant good comedy do both?
Imo this idea of comedy being 'brave' for purposely not attempting to be funny is played out. Be brave, be interesting, be funny....but the latter should be the last to go
― Master of Treacle, Saturday, 17 May 2014 14:01 (ten years ago) link
i feel like an asshole trying to be swashbuckling & defensive of this show's ~bravery~ but it feels appropriate when people specifically call it pretentious, with all that implies of it having ideas above its station & pissing all over the common man. just enjoy the thing for the thing. are people mad because they turn on the tv at eleven thirty & see something they enjoy but note it digressed from the tv-listings-colour-category for Comedy? I was promised Comedy, sir. who cares. who is sitting in front of the tv enumerating their chuckles like prisoners carving finished days into the wall. everybody feels this because it is funny, whether by being bracketed by stand-up or because of the just preverbal satisfaction of seeing anxious malfunctioning louis ck's dismayed face reacting to something, but a really big part of what it does is play with tone, & be surprising & oscillate ~~like life~~ between funny & sobering & engrossing. it is cluttered with good performances & with these accurate or else surreal blow-ups of things that aren't on television elsewhere. it has this amazing kind of panoramic rabbithole thing where premises, Kids In Public, The Dangers Of Indulging Kids Logic, are just exploded & inhabited. it's really dynamic & fresh & beautifully put together. its structure makes it interesting to watch because by now you are reassured that it won't have a kind of tried-&-true, pat, redemptive episode ending, like say community or whatever always would. I HAVE DRAMAS FOR THAT feels this insane emotional outsourcing, you have a mood chart on your wall, a line is drawn between soap operas & Emotional Involvement. i think i have been to see films i liked by directors whose work i'd already seen, & sometimes been thrown for awhile, expecting funny when now the guy was making a sad film or whatever. I liked your earlier, funny films. but you are holding something to this invented platonic ideal that you have concocted standards for, "Can't good comedy-" when instead you are getting an auteurist product that is interested in its own mix of things. louie is really funny! it's funnier than anything else i think? & for a bunch of reasons, it's situationally funny. but then also it's not. i remember straight up gasping when he hit the woman in episode two. it feels really good to see something that i didn't anticipate or want.
― schlump, Saturday, 17 May 2014 14:25 (ten years ago) link
I've watched less than half of all the episodes but I find it pleasing because his format just seems logical and I'd be amazed if other shows didn't start using that mixture. I've seen so many comedy shows or any type of series exhaust their own formula and its really sad. Louie probably isn't the first to do this, I really love it when a creator has a regular space to do whatever they want (the Love And Rockets comic book is the only thing that springs to mind but even comics people are slow to pick up on how well that works), it helps avoid stagnation.
Plus, I think pretty much everything in the show is supposed to be funny on some level. Laugh-a-minute is fantastic when you can get it but it's agony to watch comedians constantly aim for that and fail. When you see a stand-up talk about something fascinating for a while you forget you aren't laughing.
Yeah, that garbage men scene was hilarious.
But this was one of many comedy shows I was highly sceptical of at first.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 17 May 2014 15:00 (ten years ago) link
the "fat girl" ep really rubbed me wrong. one of my best friends is a big girl who was (before she got tired of the pretension, infighting and general frustration) a talking head for the fat activist movement and the "being a fat girl sucks" narrative that louis is ventriloquising through sarah baker is bullshit. my clinically obese pal had a crazy active hetero dating and sex life for as long as I've known her and has since been in a ten year relationship through most of her grown up life. lotsa people dig heavy girls and it's a nonsense presumption that the majority of poor fat girls suffer quietly... and given how cute and smart and funny and successful baker's character is, it's batty to think she's wallowing in this variety of woe is me self pity. i can't believe i'm linking to a fucking THOUGHT CATALOG article but, separate of tone, this is mostly dead on:http://thoughtcatalog.com/jamie-varon/2014/05/13-incorrect-assumptions-louis-ck-made-about-fat-girls/and yeah, i get that it's manipulation on baker's character's part to bag louis. it's still inane.
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 17 May 2014 15:03 (ten years ago) link
generally enjoyable thus far though
Because Louie is a comedian with a TV show and even frames the episode within his standup routine (just like Seinfeld), you expect the narrative to start cranking out jokes from the get-go. I think what's happening here instead is that you're waiting for the setup or comedic framework of the episode the whole time, and this doesn't reveal itself until in retrospect after the last scene plays out.
― calstars, Saturday, 17 May 2014 15:43 (ten years ago) link
Who ws the joke REALLY on
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Saturday, 17 May 2014 15:48 (ten years ago) link
I can second the fact that for big girls, the demand is pretty high
― calstars, Saturday, 17 May 2014 16:51 (ten years ago) link
I think the "fat girl" episode almost worked up until Sarah's diatribe. Louie's better at pointing us towards conclusions rather than drawing them for us.
― Darin, Saturday, 17 May 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I agree with that.
― polyphonic, Saturday, 17 May 2014 18:00 (ten years ago) link
http://www.avclub.com/article/fat-woman-talking-louie-starts-necessary-conversat-204504
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Saturday, 17 May 2014 18:09 (ten years ago) link
Obviously it's not the same for us, but as a fat guy I completely agree with "don't tell me I'm not fat".
― polyphonic, Saturday, 17 May 2014 18:17 (ten years ago) link
Rarely but sometimes I will refer to myself as fat in casual conversation, and I find it frustrating when someone tries to correct me on it. But I've also been on the other side of it, trying to politely navigate another person's dysmorphia. It's a challenge even if you have good intentions, and I don't think there's a single right answer.
― polyphonic, Saturday, 17 May 2014 18:25 (ten years ago) link
I always think of "You're not fat" as being the bodily equivalent of "Not you, you're one of the good ones."
― overwhelmed with sweat (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 17 May 2014 18:35 (ten years ago) link
'you are kind of fat but you dress pretty nice'
― j., Saturday, 17 May 2014 18:39 (ten years ago) link
lotsa people dig heavy girls and it's a nonsense presumption that the majority of poor fat girls suffer quietly... and given how cute and smart and funny and successful baker's character is, it's batty to think she's wallowing in this variety of woe is me self pity.
i thought this too. i'm sure that there are fat girls who feel like they're constantly being passed over, and those who have robust romantic/sexual lives. the same mix you'd find among... skinny girls, medium-sized girls, etc. i've no doubt that there are social stigmas that fat women experience that make dating harder, but the diatribe kind of posited an universal "Fat Girl" experience which I agree is kind of patronizing.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Saturday, 17 May 2014 20:04 (ten years ago) link
Someone once told me that some parts of Europe (might have been Sweden) treat fat women with an extra level of stigma that almost verges being a taboo. Is there anything to this? I've heard some people say it's much tougher in France for non-thin girls.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 17 May 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link