SPRING BREAKERS (2013) GUCCI MANE, SELENA GOMEZ & JAMES FRANCO (as Riff Raff?) DIR. BY HARMONY KORINE

its disingenuous to pretend this is somehow identical to other uh "hollywood" movies

xp

ya, but see vegemitegrrl's comment wrt HS'ers

idk there's a lot of things that aren't really that subversive to me, that I found funny, that would still seem somewhat subversive to me if I was 18. The gun-fellatio play, maybe.

i think i would've loved this movie in high school. it has plenty of bikinis and guns.

the cool preacher scene was so great and that particular xian subculture i've never seen before on film

its disingenuous to pretend this is somehow identical to other uh "hollywood" movies

My point isn't this at all. It's that to call this movie somehow a brave and unexpected thing for Hollywood to bankroll do is eyeroll.

I reserve the right to applaud any film that exposes mainstream audiences to approaches and techniques and ideas outside the norm, even if (maybe especially if) it does so under false pretenses. Challenging audiences is a good thing imo, people should try it more often.

As for the film itself, like I said, I felt like it worked, it achieved its goals - it's a dreamlike teengirl fantasy of transgression and wildness where nothing bad happens to them and they are in charge. It reflects the exaggerated, melodramatic, hormonally charged mindset of its protagonists. It's a mixture of childish fantasy (everything is colorful and SUPERHAPPY!) and a distorted vision of what it means to be an adult (sex/drugs/violence) all blended together in a garish, disorienting fashion. It goes over the top and is both funny and ridiculous in doing so. It maintains an atmosphere of being young and fucked up and all the hazy, nauseating, and sometimes seemingly profound impressions that go along with that. I've never been a teenage girl on spring break but this seems to capture that "I AM PARTYING OUT OF BOUNDS! LOOK AT MEEEE" vibe really really well.

xxp

I don't think this movie not being what teenage audiences expected = mocking the audience

Haneke mocks his audience. This film doesn't really address its audience directly.

that was kind of the draw to me, the things that read as entry-level subversive or shocking but are probably thing Harmony Korine imagines on his way to the toilet in the morning

akerlund, assuming he's not changed since I saw music videos he did and Spun, might be a good follow-up if he doesn't take it seriously! I got the feeling from Spun that his m.o. is saying "whooa, look how fucked up this is (isn't that kind of cool)" while spinning the camera around a lot

I mean, Spring Breakers 2, from the mind that brought you the music video for Prodigy's "smack my bitch up" sounds about right

But I can't imagine him getting the scenes like s1ocki mentioned right. Korine really did a good serene, yet still ridiculous, religious group

feel like debating what this movie is "about" is really poking it with the wrong stick

I don't even know if Korine really gives a shit about what his audience wants or thinks or expects, half the stuff he does I think is purely for his own amusement

I think there's also a disconnect in thinking Korine wants to be "artsy". I think dude has some social aspects he wants to convey but his love is trash

totally

i liked this movie a lot but i'm pretty sure it did not transcend hermeneutics xxp

anyway

SPRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG BREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK

Teen Disney fans are not the entire audience for this. Or do you think they read that self-congratulatory Franco piece in Vice magazine?

so-called 'depth' of the message some purport it to have

I don't think this film has a "message". It's not a cautionary tale. It's so wildly unrealistic idk how anyone could come away with that.

xxp

Maybe the message is if you look a certain way you can get away w murder?

are you saying that perhaps Vice media consumers are also an audience? you don't say!

Korine does Vice's purported (original) aesthetic better than they do for sure

everything transcends hermeneutics if you take your hermeneutic shades off

afaict shakey mo called it an incongruous thing for Hollywood to bankroll and is otm, not like it is even that rare for it to happen but rare enough. xxxp yeah if anything it is surprisingly humane in its imagination. adam bruneau you sound like the nu christian preacher in the movie!!

lol this made enough money to get a sequel financed?!

― stadow shevens (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, May 7, 2014 5:49 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark

made its budget back six times over

I think dude has some social aspects he wants to convey but his love is trash

I don't entirely disagree w this. He does love trash, he probably would film a plastic bag swirling in the wind for 20 minutes lol. But his presentation and visual style feel like they owe more to 80s VHS artists and malick and herzog or, I dunno, Killer of Sheep and shit like that. His film vocabulary is not mainstream.

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made its budget back six times over

that is awesome. I like it when weirdos get paid!

"hollywood" doesn't bankroll anything

OK fine multinational megacorporation

what is wrong with everybody. who cares if the film is 'challenging' like that's some mark of honor or 'artsy'. if you want to transcend something transcend your tired discourse gramps.

it was a movie about feeling free, and at peace.

it spoke to people

he probably would film a plastic bag swirling in the wind for 20 minutes lol

that's for Mendes. Korine would film a human-sized plastic bag in which James Franco is trapped, Phantom Zone style, singing Britney's "I Wanna Go."

movie made me laugh & i left in a great mood what more do you need

sprang break forevah

foreeeevveeeerrrrrrrrr

Ok i looked up the people that funded the movie...

Hanley started his career in the music business as the founder of Intergalactic Music, Inc., a company that supplied vintage Fender and Gibson guitars to musicians such as John McLaughlin, Heart, and John Entwistle of The Who. In the early 1980s, Intergalactic opened a recording studio in New York City, and recorded artists such as Africa Bambatta, Soul Sonic Force, Lisa Lisa and the Cult Jam, The Ramones, and Blondie minus Debbie Harry.[1]

That is effing awesome.

that someone thought they could make a blockbuster out of anything he does AND get him to cast A-listers, especially in the current film industry climate

they didn't want to make a "blockbuster", they just wanted to turn a profit and they did. it made $32 million worldwide theatrical on a budget of $5 million (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=springbreakers.htm). probably rented/sold a lot of videos, too. how many people passed on seeing this in a theater and rented it out of ahem curiosity.

the producers knew exactly what they were doing; shakey, why would you assume some kind of "smuggling" narrative on no evidence?

narratively i think this does pose some challenges to people who have seen only mainstream H'w'd movies. s1ocki and i guess everyone except shaky OTM in this regard.

that doesn't necessarily mean it's righteous, though. lots of shitty movies that would challenge audiences as much or more.

it doesn't mean it's bullshit, either.

kind of an elegant time waster IMO. there are interesting hints of a real world in it that are worth following up but korine doesn't really care. i did appreciate the dreamlike ending.

also the short girl is pretty.

I have no idea which one the short one was but you have a 50/50 chance of being otm

all the girls were pretty.

narratively i think this does pose some challenges to people who have seen only mainstream H'w'd movies. s1ocki and i guess everyone except shaky OTM in this regard

rmde thx for not giving me any credit even tho it was me that made this point originally

ok, well i may have skimmed the thread. if that's true, i apologize.

i have no idea who you are or what your views are, so don't take it personal.

now yr just hurting my feelings

no, it's just that i scarcely pay attention to who wrote what

i don't really know who any of you are, except those here before 2004. i know morbs because he's such a stick in the mud.

i like not knowing, that way i can go into threads assuming the best of everyone until i am proven otherwise.

I've been here since 2002 bro

and we show up on the same threads all the time! but whatever

*cries*

being on ilx 10 years and only knowing who one poster's deal is is so far from my reality

*types into box*

amateurist is the guy who's been saying "i don't even know who you are" for 10 years

i know morbs because he's such a stick in the mud.

well i never

amateurist is the guy who's been saying "i don't even know who you are" for 10 years

― goole, Thursday, May 8, 2014 2:07 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

right, since 2004. i guess i just don't care much to know the personalities behind the usernames or whatever. i don't mean to be rude; i was originally trying to assure shakey that i wasn't piling on him.

are we all just anonymous opinions with no connection between posts?