Twitter C/D

fuck the "user base"

― markers, Monday, April 28, 2014 1:00 PM (2 days ago)

just because you don't find twitter useful doesn't mean it's not useful. for me, instagram is a much less enjoyable platform

what does "more accessible" mean there?

the @ and # are one of the big reasons companies fuck w twitter over facebook like when they throw a hashtag in corner of the screen of a tv show, its iconic, like there maybe be some usability problems w that but youre way past the point of no return

it's well known that people get on twitter and then don't know what to do

like i guess maybe its a ~twitter secret~ that you can't have an @ as your first character if you want others to see it, and that slows some newer people on the learning curve?

there are official organisations and people who have been on twitter for years who seem not to realise this - ditto the "if you're a protected account, people who don't follow you can't see your @s of them"

it's well known that people get on twitter and then don't know what to do

― markers, Wednesday, April 30, 2014 2:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sure but im sayin youre not gonna solve that by eliminating yr most core features youre going to have to find a better way, or maybe just admit youre a service thats not gonna ever be as big as facebook

the big problem for twitter might just be that it's not that essential to most people's lives. it's good if you're really interested in a bunch of things or want to be active in some community, and some people use it as a more private facebook of sorts, but beyond that, if you just want to interact with your friends facebook might be enough. or instagram. or imessage.

xpost i don't think you have to necessarily "eliminate" it. might there be a way to even keep the @ stuff and make it easier for new users to get a handle on?

twitter knows its not a place it interact w yr friends, why it calls itself an info network not a social network

people USE it as that though

some. not everyone. but some.

most people don't need want an "information network" or whatever in their lives.

strike "need"

people USE it as that though

― markers, Wednesday, April 30, 2014 2:14 PM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its not nearly the primary use case tho

maybe just admit youre a service thats not gonna ever be as big as facebook

this might be what they have to do

most people don't need want an "information network" or whatever in their lives.

― markers, Wednesday, April 30, 2014 2:15 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if someone cld perfect the one place to get all your news thing i guarantee you people would be lining up to join

twitter is at its best when it's primarily for interacting with your friends about information

xpost why couldn't facebook be that for them?

like, news shouldn't be the point but a minor feature from which discussions with your friends are born

*nods*

facebook is crap

i could see facebook having a resurgence of sorts if people trim their friendslists - no one ever completely abandoned it à la myspace because it always fulfilled a functional use (events, basically)

and messages and photos

and status updates

xpost why couldn't facebook be that for them?

― markers, Wednesday, April 30, 2014 2:18 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

cause facebook is for looking at pictures of babies, the thing m/l that makes twitter hard to understand for n00bs is people use it in a lots of diff ways for lots of differnt things, if it was a pure information network whatever that would look like then it would be easy to understand

nah facebooks platform sucks

twitter is so fresh so clean

xpost

and as I found out over the weekend, how family keeps up with people who don't live close by. totally agree that if people trimmed their friends list, FB would be less terrible/more useful

well both their designs suck worse than they used to because of the constant terrible changes

facebook has always been kind of sucky tho

like, news shouldn't be the point but a minor feature from which discussions with your friends are born

― lex pretend, Wednesday, April 30, 2014 2:18 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

see my use cases are prob more like in order of importance

1. consuming things (news, jokes, photos of castles)
2. shouting into the void
3. convos

once you "figure out" twitter, it's great--it's not always about making the user happy. make the user work

how many social networks are most people on? anecdotally, i see most people on facebook, a subset on instagram, a bunch on pinterest and twitter. i don't think people give that much of a fuck about news or information or whatever you want to call it, and they can just subscribe to the few things they're interested in on facebook and that's enough, obviating a need to sign up for twitter. a lot of us are on twitter but there are a lot more people out there who aren't and never will be

I hate facebook and will never go on it - twitter is just low maintenance and simple enough for me. of course, their problem is they built this mildly amusing thing that doesn't make money, so it will be gone eventually as it hemorrhages users (which will happen to facebook too eventually)

well both their designs suck worse than they used to because of the constant terrible changes

― lex pretend, Wednesday, April 30, 2014 2:22 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah its an established progression at this point where during your userbase building phase you make the design good and easy so people will like it, then during your profit taking phase you fuck up the design in order to facilitate your money making

1. consuming things (news, jokes, photos of castles)
2. shouting into the void
3. convos

― lag∞n, Wednesday, April 30, 2014 6:23 PM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

also use cases for life

remember that newsfeed facebook announced last year but never launched? looked much better than what eventually came out

on the desktop

i don't think people give that much of a fuck about news or information or whatever you want to call it

― markers, Wednesday, April 30, 2014 2:23 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

news is extremely popular markers more popular even than facebook

news how do i get it

information: where is it

ilx is my platform

news is extremely popular markers more popular even than facebook

how many sources do people follow? ben thompson the other day said something like "people have seven websites they go to" and it was in the context of a bigger point that was probably way more nuanced, but the thing stands that you can just install the fucking cnn app or follow them on fb and you don't need a separate service to keep up with a thousand sources like all of us do

people like us are not like most people when it comes to news consumption

we're not that special

thebn again i don't knwo anythig about technologies

how many sources do people follow? ben thompson the other day said something like "people have seven websites they go to"

― markers, Wednesday, April 30, 2014 2:28 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seven websites isnt cool you know whats cool one website

as an aside, lag00n, i'm getting those phantom twitter notifications too

they fkn w us