yeah but i'm just saying they were writing songs at 15 that sounded just like their recent stuff they wrote at 17/18, so it struck me as a strange qualifier
― Hateful Guard at Maryland Training School for Boys (some dude), Friday, 6 March 2009 23:19 (fifteen years ago) link
essentially i think i was using paramore as a stand in for "this sounds like a song written by/for teens and fronted by a girl"
― wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Friday, 6 March 2009 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah...i mean it actually does sound like Paramore (one album track in particular it reminds me of more than the singles) so if you'd just said "sounds like Paramore" i'd have no quibbles. sorry silly number of posts to spend discussing this.
― Hateful Guard at Maryland Training School for Boys (some dude), Friday, 6 March 2009 23:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Councils get banned jargon list Winston Churchill is an example to council workers, campaigners say Council leaders have compiled a banned list of the 200 worst uses of jargon, with "predictors of beaconicity" and "taxonomy" among the worst horrors.
Just so's you know.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 11:11 (fifteen years ago) link
I've already had several angry letters.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 12:23 (fifteen years ago) link
My wife has been singing "Dan can't stand/Dan can't stand/Lady Gaga's butterface.../She so ugly/Oh so ugly" for weeks now; she will get much enjoyment from that link, roxy!
― Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 15:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Brad MIs lady gaga a man? My sister thinks so. I dont.?Now i think she is very pretty. Why do people say she is a tranny? It dosent make much sense... She just wears alot of makeup. I love her voice. I am almost sure she is a female. No rude answers plz. if u dont know the queston then DONT ANSWER. Ok? ^^ Mariah SBest Answer - Chosen by Askerno shes a LADY and gAgA there are A's if she was a mand her name would be.... Man GoGo
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 15:30 (fifteen years ago) link
proved by LOGIC
― Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 15:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Do not Googlimg Man GoGo
― Mark G, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 15:37 (fifteen years ago) link
completely bizarre
― roxymuzak, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Lady Gaga Stirs Things Up By Going Pantsless'It's fashion! I'm an artist!' singer tells Chicago police after being stopped on the street.By Jocelyn Vena
By now, Lady Gaga is known as the singer who has an affinity for not wearing pants. But apparently there are some law officials out there who may not have gotten the memo about Gaga's fashion choices. The singer was recently stopped by police in Chicago who had some objections to her hot pants.
"I guess they weren't really pants at all, but it was really funny because all you saw was this half-naked girl on the street yelling at some cop," she told the Daily Star, adding that she tried to reason with the officer." 'It's fashion! I'm an artist!' It was fun."
Lady Gaga doesn't seem to mind the attention, telling the U.K. newspaper that while she doesn't hate pants, she doesn't find them necessary either. "It's not that I don't like pants," she said, "I just choose not to wear them some days."
The singer, who is currently on her Fame Ball Tour, added that for her, going pantsless is no big deal thanks to her more salacious past. "I think no pants is sexy. I love the naked human body," she said. "I was working in strip clubs when I was 18."
These days, Lady Gaga is making headlines by wearing out-there outfits that probably cost some dough, but she told MTV News that it wasn't too long ago that she was getting people talking on a much smaller budget. "A year ago at this time, I was gluing sequins on $4 bras," she laughed. "So that should tell you how far I've come."
― this is business strictly, step to my business is risky (some dude), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 19:56 (fifteen years ago) link
So sick of this chick. I like Poker Face, but Lady Gaga is a bad thing for music.
― Plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link
when will she discover the daring, transgressive nature of wearing paper bags over your head
― Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 20:09 (fifteen years ago) link
'It's fashion! I'm an artist!'
Thing is, this is probably almost exactly what she said.
― William Bloody Swygart, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Metal Mike Sauders is slowly starting to convince me that Lady Gaga might not be as horrible as I thought.
Email # 1:
Lady Gaga in video/TV interviews has namechecked "i love Swedish pop" (her having been a screaming sidewalk NYC TRL-wannabe down on the street with her middle school classmates, 1999-2000) so a collaboration between her and Max is inevitable i would think. two weeks ago the Poker Face single breaking Top 10 (no. 6) took the album up to no. 10 (american) (from no.28 the preceding week), so it is very possible that a couple weeks from now -- in a "slow release" week (like the way britney's first album was carefully targeted to be released -- after the single had hit no.1 -- on the SLOWEST week of the year, jan or feb, so that it would squeak into no. 1 with barely 125k? i recall) --
that gaga will score a no. 1 album. american's way the fuck behind the curve on her (no hit single until dec/jan, now it's a roadkill pileup with a third single hitting Top 10 just 6 weeks later, ha).
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 20:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Email #2:
here's my Gaga wordpad collection of the most interesting Youtube interviews (and a couple ditto TV or club performance clips)
PAPARAZZI Album Chart Show / UK***
Billboard interview "i would die"
at 4:35 "i love swedish pop music" (german TV interview)
Jingle Ball backstage w David Archuleta
Dear Mr President
group letter Dear Mr President
paris hilton interviews GaGa
interview for Album Chart Show
GaGa loves the beatles
interview w/left cheek boltz at 1:31
australian interview / 5 min
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Email #3
Jimmy Draper:
i interviewed gaga a few weeks before her cd came out, back when "just dance" was just a dance hit..she was super personable and pretty funny but i honestly don't "get" what she thinks is so Innovative about her work (she used the word literally at least 8x in our interview). then again, i dont really care either cuz the cd is amazing. she really is a trip tho--like when we talked she was comparing herself to madonna (but saying she one-ups madonna in self-reinvention = RIDIC) and bowie and art people...i left out the relaly, really obnoxious stuff from the article cuz i thought it'd make her sound super deluded and bonkers--in a bad way, and didn't want to go there. looking fwd to seeing her in detroit next week.
her xmas tree song is one of the only xmas songs i've ever liked
More Metal Mike:
yeah if you collected all the people who were bonkers/half-nuts back in 50's rock, well, a greyhound bus wouldn't half hold them all...
half again trumped by john lennon in his ThUg early phrase, or Brian Wilson on any given day in the 60's.
maybe what she's tripping on is that bowie or maddy never put on a blonde wig...
ohhhh and MAJOR drug use/abuse in her teen years (or beyond) according to bios/background info. never underestimate the modesty level of someone who's coked up!combined with an upper-class academic-type (NYU) background
somewhere on google i ran across an audience member's short review of a small-ish gaga club NYC gig last fall... according to the poster, she passed out onstage, her dancers attempted to get her back up and moving, whereupon she stagedived into the crowd, passed out again, and her retinue gave up, gig over after 3 songs.
the rock/pop world needs more lunatics, i always say. (her natal chart w/o rising sign has major NO IMPULSE CONTROL, a mars/uranus conj. in fire. and other things of that nature).
the most impressive thing about the best tracks on the album (half of more of it in toto i'd say, and i haven't close to digesting the lesser half yet) is the VARIETY of great vocal sounds. starting with the sound/tone of the vocals in the first place. it's got her handprints all over it, that and the synth/keyboard sounds (which are nearly endless in their variety of tones). ohhhh and whoever is reponsible, some GREAT drum/rhythm sounds.
one cool thing about her songwriting is how well she uses words as SOUNDS, lyrically. maybe an entire 1/2 of Poker Face is (vocally) just sounds, right.
everything i've read indicates that gaga is completely over the moon/obsessive about songwriting.
the last two britney albums are pretty neat production jobs (from the two or three main producers) but gaga's shit is just two steps beyond, sonically.
which reminds me that someone should take max martin/luke's fucking drum machine away. the current Kelly (Clarkson) hit (which is treadbare enough to begin with, as a song) HAS to have a live non-clicktrack drummer or it's just, c'mon, jeez, it's fucking annoying is what it is.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Email #4, more Jimmy Draper:
there's a LOTTA non-album stuff floating out there by her, btw--a bunch of it weirdly subpar for her, but i'd recommend :
Big Girl Now with New Kids on the blockFashion on 'Confessions of Shopaholic' soundtrack (orig. she gave it to heidi montag and while heidi has a brilliant "heidi!" thrown in at the intro, gaga;s is better and doesn't sound like she's speaking in tongues like heidi does-- it's basically a novelty tho)Disco Heaven itunes bonus trackEh Eh (Pet Shop Boys remix)Xmas Tree mp3
plus of course she co-wrote Britney's amazing Circus bonus track QUICKSAND with Intersciope producer Fernando Garibay., apparently her other track for brit didnt make it on.(She said she gave a bunch of songs to Britney's team and they claimed 2 of em for her)
and totally yes re: her use of sounds. The "Mah mah mah mah" sound that opens Poker Face is brilliant/makes every gay club ive been in lately pretty much explode
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link
this IS convincing
― da croupier, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link
chuck are you seriously
― roxymuzak, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link
copying emails to us
This is essentially convincing me that Gaga is a horrible person and I should do everything in my power to ensure I never accidentally give her money.
― Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 20:52 (fifteen years ago) link
hold your judgment until you've watched all ten videos, you two
― da croupier, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 20:53 (fifteen years ago) link
i lol'd @ "makes every gay club i've been in lately pretty much explode."
― I think no pants is sexy. (Matt P), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 20:53 (fifteen years ago) link
oops, left out email 1 1/2, fuckfaces:
lady gaga quoting / citing her love of "Swedish Pop" (in at least two audio/TV interviews that are on Youtube) is the chickens coming to roost. her and Max Martin would probably be about 3 too many control freaks in the same mixing room, but it looks inevitable i would say. since she co-writes with everyone/anyone who's producing, Max ditto as a writer, that is probably a far less volatile combination.
the best song (and her favorite, and all my friends' favorite or 2nd favorite) on the gaga album, Papparazzi, is the pop-culture song Redd Kross were trying/hoping to write for (a) decade(s) and never got it done. and it works (lyrically) on about 3 levels (of interpretation) where the McDonald brothers had trouble just getting Level 1 to the finish line. not that Bubblegum Factory isn't a classic, tho out of place out of time for the late 80's hair-metal era.
without orig drummer Ron Reyes/Chavo though, they could never rock the early songs for shit (after the fact) (last year's gigs all over youtube, ditto) after summer 1980. (the little 12 year old drummer they had with the brief 5-piece of DEZ/gr CHET LEHRER (future wasted youth leader/lp, and Lucky circle jerks' brother)/2nd gtr, was just fine though. best fucking 12 song - 14 minute set i ever saw by a "name band" (at the Fleetwood, right after we played our 4th bill slot on the 5 band bill) (jack TSOL's first band Vicious Circle was the 5th band).
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link
oh thanks, now im convinced
― roxymuzak, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:01 (fifteen years ago) link
We are the crowd,We're c-coming outGot my flash on it's trueNeed that picture of youIt's so magicalWe'd be so fantasticalLeather and jeans a watch on my wrist,Not sure what it means,But this photo of usIt don't have a priceReady for those flashing lights,Cause you know that baby iIm your biggest fanI'll follow you until you love mePapa-paparazzi,Baby there's no other superstarYou know that i'll be yourPapa-paparazziPromise i'll be kind,But i won't stop until that boy is mineBaby you'll be famousChase you down until you love mePapa-paparazziI'll be your girlBackstage at your show,Velvet ropes and guitars,Yeah cause you'll knowI'm staring between the setsEyeliner and cigarettesShadow is burntYellow dance and returnMy lashes are dryBut with teardrops I cryIt don't have a priceLoving you is cherry pie'Cause you know that baby IIm your biggest fanI'll follow you until you love mePapa-paparazzi,Baby there's no other superstarYou know that i'll be yourPapa-paparazziPromise i'll be kind,But i won't stop until that boy is mineBaby you'll be famousChase you down until you love mePapa-paparazziReal good(We dance in the studio)Snap, snapped(That xxxx on the radio)Don't stop boy, rewindWe'll blast it but we'll still have fun!Im your biggest fanI'll follow you until you love mePapa-paparazzi,Baby there's no other superstarYou know that i'll be yourPapa-paparazziPromise i'll be kind,But i won't stop until that boy is mineBaby you'll be famousChase you down until you love mePapa-paparazzi
Leather and jeans a watch on my wrist,Not sure what it means,But this photo of usIt don't have a priceReady for those flashing lights,Cause you know that baby i
Im your biggest fanI'll follow you until you love mePapa-paparazzi,Baby there's no other superstarYou know that i'll be yourPapa-paparazzi
Promise i'll be kind,But i won't stop until that boy is mineBaby you'll be famousChase you down until you love mePapa-paparazzi
I'll be your girlBackstage at your show,Velvet ropes and guitars,Yeah cause you'll knowI'm staring between the setsEyeliner and cigarettes
Shadow is burntYellow dance and returnMy lashes are dryBut with teardrops I cryIt don't have a priceLoving you is cherry pie'Cause you know that baby I
Real good(We dance in the studio)Snap, snapped(That xxxx on the radio)
Don't stop boy, rewindWe'll blast it but we'll still have fun!
― Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:02 (fifteen years ago) link
lol
― roxymuzak, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Had she been taking Kanye-pills when this was written?
― Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:03 (fifteen years ago) link
i believe that is the song redd kross were writing for 1. years and 2. never got it 3. done
fuckfaces
― da croupier, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link
(that said, I never liked Redd Kross so yeah, maybe this is 3 times as deep as anything they came up with, I wouldn't know)
― Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link
― Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:52 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
completely otm
― the name's ban. suggest ban (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link
re-edited 'just dance' vid based on sequence from my 08 mix - 2nd half with the Moby/Kris Menace is best (and made me like her/this track's vocals much more)
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link
i was just reading an old metal mike saunders review of demons and wizards by uriah heep and he called them PUNK rock
― be on the treadmill - uh! - like OK GO (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link
i dont get it — we're supposed to celebrate her for being an ex cokehead who can't get thru a show? she's just as subversive as 'this one time i kissed a girl' katy perry, which is to say, not subversive at all. and the fact, like perry, that she plays up her DARING image makes it even worse
― the name's ban. suggest ban (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:08 (fifteen years ago) link
also all her songs sound exactly the same. idk why anyone would need anything from her beyond "just dance"
― the name's ban. suggest ban (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:09 (fifteen years ago) link
yes, but at 4:35 "i love swedish pop music" (german TV interview)
― da croupier, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:09 (fifteen years ago) link
this does have the ring of truth tho:the most impressive thing about the best tracks on the album (half of more of it in toto i'd say, and i haven't close to digesting the lesser half yet) is the VARIETY of great vocal sounds. starting with the sound/tone of the vocals in the first place. it's got her handprints all over it, that and the synth/keyboard sounds (which are nearly endless in their variety of tones). ohhhh and whoever is reponsible, some GREAT drum/rhythm sounds.
― Surmounter, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:11 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe an entire 1/2 of Poker Face is (vocally) just sounds, right.
the thing is, this is exactly what I hate about "Poker Face"
― Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:12 (fifteen years ago) link
oh that's actually what i love about it.
and i think if she kept her trap shut, people wouldn't find her so obnoxious. just some basement production dance trax, is all i hear.
― Surmounter, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:13 (fifteen years ago) link
i've still never heard her speak. maybe i should keep it that way?
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link
the uriah heep review was from like 72! or maybe even 71 but yeah i didn't know ppl used that term that early on.
i am talking about uriah heep in a lady gaga thread, what happened to me?
― be on the treadmill - uh! - like OK GO (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link
xp -- yeah. seems like her whole "i'm an artist" routine is excrutiating and embarrassing
― Surmounter, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:16 (fifteen years ago) link
It means you're on ILM, what else did you expect?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah my big mistake re Lady Gaga was to read her press release before I listened to "Just Dance" - it put me of her from the very start.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Same mistake I made with Vivian Girls. I saw that awful, awful bathtub interview and immediately wrote them off. Heard the album at a friend's over the weekend and actually liked it!
― legendary North American forest ape (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:25 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave etc etc
― be on the treadmill - uh! - like OK GO (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link
First time I saw Lady Gaga I thought she was some Russian Eurovision type and was thinking "well, good for you".When I realised she was yer bog standard American popstar with shitloads of cash behind her I lost interest. I really try not to let marketing etc of an act affect how I hear it, but this is SO MUCH marketing it dictates the style of the music, the bored singing style, everything.
Basically this otm.
― Not the real Village People, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Gaga's schtick basically seems to be that she is smarter than the eurodisco she's peddling which makes it ironic which makes it popart and not pop. What do I mean when I say she is smarter? I mean she keeps fucking telling us that she is smarter. This is the only distinction between Lady Gaga and Basshunter.
― Plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 19 March 2009 00:22 (fifteen years ago) link