actually, it seems that supergrass have avoided a lot of current britpop hate, which perhaps gives hope that beyond the debut, they were a band beyond such a narrow minded genre.
i.e. of all the supposed britpop bands, supergrass are the one band i still listen to, and enjoy.
― mark e, Thursday, 24 April 2014 22:45 (ten years ago) link
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Well yeah, and as I wasn't a British person while it was going on, it was super easy to not just listen to Britpop (or any other single genre for that matter). In fact, even at the time, I always thought the term was a bit ridiculous. What does it mean? Rock bands from Britain? Can you call that a genre? It just seemed like an umbrella term for UK indie rock, like calling a genre that featured Neutral Milk Hotel, Fugazi and Wilco Ameripop.
― Dominique, Thursday, 24 April 2014 22:49 (ten years ago) link
I said on my fb about how the older fans of britpop (aka the roses/primals fans) loved dance music and how we all thought oasis "would do a screamadelica" on their 3rd album , and how said dance acts supported oasis and were seen as britpop along WITH the spice girls (Geri's union jack dress), robbie williams etc but post 1997 going to #10 Cool Britannia the kids chose to go with "real music" and now Britpop has come to mean only white guitar pop. ffs i went to gigs with friends who were into britpop and baggy and grunge but also ravers, goldie fans, massive attack, prodigy, underworld, leftfield,aphex fans. 1995/96 wasnt as bad as what followed. (if its tl;dr - what turrican said)
― ۩, Thursday, 24 April 2014 22:59 (ten years ago) link
"I know we on the Guardian will liveblog most things, but the Mirror has spent this evening"... wah wah wah Even if I am stuck in a station with one pound odd in my pocket, never buying this fucking garbage again.
― xelab, Thursday, 24 April 2014 22:59 (ten years ago) link
classifying the manics as britpop seems kind of off, even their softer post-1994 material doesn't really have much in common with any of the rest of those bands.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:01 (ten years ago) link
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Yup, I also thought (even at the time) that the term 'Britpop' was ridiculous. In my mind, I definitely wasn't lumping all of these bands together as one thing... to me, there was a whole slew of stuff happening and I was mentally filing it into 'music I like' and 'music I don't', the same as any year.
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:01 (ten years ago) link
rmde xp
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:02 (ten years ago) link
turrican are you british?
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:03 (ten years ago) link
i like indie rock and roll
― you poll a lot, but you're not saying anything (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:06 (ten years ago) link
― ۩, Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:59 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^ This.
I mean, I know a lot of folks that loved the first couple of Oasis records (they sold a shitload, so obviously I would) that also loved Massive Attack, Prodigy, Underworld, Leftfield, The Chemical Brothers, Aphex Twin, Bjork etc. etc. etc.
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:07 (ten years ago) link
fucking hell, all that different stuff?
― you poll a lot, but you're not saying anything (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:08 (ten years ago) link
endless variety
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:09 (ten years ago) link
― mark e, Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:45 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I still have a lot of time for Supergrass, and even though 'Diamond Hoo Ha' was hardly their finest album, I still think they had plenty more in them.
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:09 (ten years ago) link
lolll xp
― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:09 (ten years ago) link
― you poll a lot, but you're not saying anything (Noodle Vague), Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:08 PM (52 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm being general, but you get the point :)
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:10 (ten years ago) link
well NV as you know fine well something happened and "indie" fans went from iking all forms of dance music and hip hop to craig david lookalike on the toilet on Melody Maker and nme readers only wanting guitar music.1997 seemed to be when it happened too in my mind.
― ۩, Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:11 (ten years ago) link
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:01 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It does, but circa Everything Must Go and 'A Design For Life', they were definitely lumped in with the Britpop lot.
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:12 (ten years ago) link
The first couple Divine Comedy albums are sooooo good. They just fill me with joy. xp
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic)
Liberation, Promenade and Casanova is possibly my favourite album run of the 90s.
― Kitchen Person, Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:19 (ten years ago) link
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican)
Such a great band. Just listened to the first two albums today and enjoyed them a ridiculous amount.
― Kitchen Person, Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:22 (ten years ago) link
hah, I thought The Divine Comedy/My Life Story stuff was some of the worst britpop on a par with bluetones and ocean colour scene
― ۩, Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:23 (ten years ago) link
I loved them both at the time but Divine Comedy still sound great to me now where as My Life Story now sounded as dated as the worst Britpop bands. I really do understand why people dislike the Divine Comedy but they've been one of my favourite bands for almost twenty years now.
― Kitchen Person, Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:25 (ten years ago) link
I dunno why but I thought you were in your mid to late twenties
― ۩, Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:27 (ten years ago) link
I'm just about to turn thirty one. I was probably twelve/thirteen when I first got into them.
― Kitchen Person, Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:32 (ten years ago) link
There were a whole number of things in '97 that had me thinking "yeah, this is getting a bit silly now"... Be Here Now has always been cited as being "the end", but there was a whole load of other nonsense going on. Stuff like Catch (essentially a glorified boyband) putting out 'Bingo', Robbie Williams' Liam Gallagher-isms on 'Old Before I Die'... I remember watching a video of Embrace doing 'All You Good Good People' on MTV and hearing Danny McNamara's foghorn vocal and thinking "seriously!?", stuff like Travis...
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:36 (ten years ago) link
20 years ago I was getting into dance music, funk, krautrock, jazz and classic canon and even classic weird stuff. Used to order things in through the local library. Expanding my knowledge from grunge/metal/indie/industrial that was my listening for the 3 years previous.My mate got cds by funkadelic/tim buckley/can and i was hooked. bought mc5, stooges,can,kraftwerk, 13th floor elevators cds as well as my own cds of the ones my mate got. Already liked a lot of 60s stuff by 1994 so britpop mainly seemed a rehash of the good stuff for me aged 21
― ۩, Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:40 (ten years ago) link
The funny thing was Be Here Now got amazing reviews (to make up for terrible reviews of morning glory). It was those who bought it who hated it. Yet it was still their 3rd best studio album lol
― ۩, Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:41 (ten years ago) link
they just picked up so many new fans each album (many of whom never heard the first)They really were massive in the UK weren't they? Pretty staggering really. Was that the last time the british music industry were basically printing money?
I remember in the aftermath the best record shop in glasgow expanded and opened other shops during the boom and it killed it. Maybe thats another reason i hate britpop so much?
― ۩, Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:44 (ten years ago) link
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Yeah, I had young parents, so there was a lot of late '70s/early '80s music in my parents record collection which I had been exposed to/was consciously listening to around that time.
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:48 (ten years ago) link
Oasis were stupidly huge in 1996-1997, absolutely fucking stupidly huge. It wasn't just that they sold millions of copies of Morning Glory and played to thousands of people at Knebworth, they just seemed to be everywhere. I remember some episode of The Vicar Of Dibley being on in '96, and two of the main characters arguing over what kind of Oasis advent calendar they wanted "the Liam one or the Noel one", and there were a thousands more examples besides... there just seemed to be a point where you couldn't avoid them.
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:54 (ten years ago) link
Having said that...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOFT253yNHQ
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Thursday, 24 April 2014 23:57 (ten years ago) link
I remember that. Still got a soft spot for Game On. Matthew invented emo remember ;)
― ۩, Friday, 25 April 2014 00:00 (ten years ago) link
Daniel Hewson
25 April 2014 1:54amRecommend2
Whatever you say about Britpop, the current UK music scene can't muster a worthy Glastonbury headliner, last year the Rolling Stones, year before U2. British Glastonbury headliners weren't a problem in the 90s. Where in Nick Clegg's 'modern' Britain are the Great British bands we used to produce? Or am I longing for W.G. Grace?
ithappens is as popular with the guardian commentors as a fart in a spacesuit for his article.
Well done!
― ۩, Friday, 25 April 2014 01:24 (ten years ago) link
and yes where in this guys modern Britain is Dublin?
― ۩, Friday, 25 April 2014 01:25 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av9Vn48fOEs
― ۩, Friday, 25 April 2014 04:04 (ten years ago) link
Tony Riviere
24 April 2014 7:19pmRecommend64
Though not a fan, I think Britpop reaffirmed what it was to be British, white and male. Black music informs so much of modern pop and rock (and there is nothing wrong with that) that it was most refreshing for bands to stick their heads above the parapets and wave their mojos in the face of the PC norms of journo-driven hip but utterly soulless media icons.
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Friday, 25 April 2014 11:36 (ten years ago) link
ILX's favourite sport: find the idiot, quote the idiot
― imago, Friday, 25 April 2014 11:42 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWSrx41iyfg
― everyday sheeple (Michael B), Friday, 25 April 2014 11:49 (ten years ago) link
xxp impressive how much of the article he can agree with while coming to the opposite conclusion
― ogmor, Friday, 25 April 2014 12:05 (ten years ago) link
Fans replied in their thousands, demanding an explanation with many suggesting it could mean the long pined-for reunion.
"WHAT DOES THIS MEAN" one wrote, "DUDE" another said, with a third adding: "Oh my god it's happening".
This is the internet though, so obviously there was also a "Shut up I hate you".
― pick it up for ripple laser (onimo), Friday, 25 April 2014 12:10 (ten years ago) link
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/quiz/2014/apr/25/quiz-how-much-you-know-about-britpop
― ۩, Friday, 25 April 2014 12:37 (ten years ago) link
yeah, I got 22
― Mark G, Friday, 25 April 2014 12:54 (ten years ago) link
18, but with a lot of guesswork
― A frenzied geologist (Tom D.), Friday, 25 April 2014 12:55 (ten years ago) link
Oh shit, I got 23. In my defence, this was the era I grew up in. ;_;
― emil.y, Friday, 25 April 2014 13:03 (ten years ago) link
15 and so did I, albeit in NZ
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Friday, 25 April 2014 13:11 (ten years ago) link
27, please shoot me.
― Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Friday, 25 April 2014 13:13 (ten years ago) link
22 but only coz I read Select religiously every week.
(I'm far prouder of scoring 12 out of 13 on "Cornish or Dothraki" to be honest)
― Branwell Bell, Friday, 25 April 2014 13:15 (ten years ago) link
24. And life goes on.
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Friday, 25 April 2014 13:21 (ten years ago) link
Oh dear. I got 26.
― Kitchen Person, Friday, 25 April 2014 14:13 (ten years ago) link
Really wish it had been Heavy Stereo on the Yanks Go Home Select cover.
― Kitchen Person, Friday, 25 April 2014 14:14 (ten years ago) link
21. Tbf anyone who read MM/NME/Select around that time will score pretty well.
― everyday sheeple (Michael B), Friday, 25 April 2014 14:47 (ten years ago) link