HBO adaptation of Game of Thrones - will this be just for nerds? (NO SPOILERS PLEASE)

so is littlefinger's changing accent meant to reflect his shapeshifty personality

Kinda surprised how people are so disturbed by so many things in the show yet Theon being mutilated, dehumanized and spiritually crushed in the most profound way gets little mention. He did kill two innocent children but I'd say he gets the worst time of anybody.

Alfie Allen tbf

^^

most disturbing thing in this so far has been seeing someone my gf went to school w/ getting butchered

Nobody cares about theon cuz he's a shitty character

"tbf"? I'm terrible at figuring out abbreviations. It taken me months to figure out "otm" and I keep coming across more ones I don't get.

I feel really sorry for him.

Anonymous characters get more concern than him?

Also the kind of full body mutilation that theon undergoes isn't a thing that still regularly happens in developed western countries

_they did this w/ dany and khal also. hbo._

No, in the book it specifically says that he rapes her constantly after their first time together to the point she wants to die.
--gyac

If you're talking about daenerys, in the book their first time occurs after she requests not to have sex, then drogo rubs on her (sensually), and then the implication is that she's "into it" and they're good to go. which is pretty absurd and gross (she's 12-13 for one thing).

But then I adore lovelovelove Peter in Mad Men and a lot of people hate him.

I sometimes think Marnie from girls is more evil than Joffrey and hope for a gruesome bloodletting death scene (joking but I do dislike her a lot).

jaime and cersei having sex next to their dead son is disturbing and that's not what people are complaining about. no one's being like "oh my stars a rape scene in game of thrones won't somebody think of the children" lusty depictions of violent rape are normalized not surprising in any way + appear all the time in media for stupid or irrelevant reasons like in this episode

I need to master this spell correct crap, I meant "bloodcurdling"

Feel like it's too soon to say "irrelevant reasons" considering the way this show operates

yeah i just can't wait to see where this develops

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/game-of-thrones/10679012/Game-of-Thrones-star-Sophie-Turner-films-rape-scene-in-front-of-parents.html

Spoiler?

handwringing over this ep is hilarious

Stop enabling fictional rape with your amused indifference

handwringing over this ep is hilarious

that's...a pretty shitty stance to take towards people talking about media depiction of rape? like i understand that my tendency to have a stereotypically Humorless Feminist response to this isn't going to be shared by everyone, but maybe you could meet me halfway and not belittle my reaction by calling it handwringing?

I don't think he was belittling anyone specifically? There has been more than one person ITT criticizing the show, what makes you think he was singling you out?

i know he's not singling me out, but i'm a participant in this collective "handwringing" and i think it's a shitty way to categorize a discussion about the depiction of rape.

Fair enough!

If you're talking about daenerys, in the book their first time occurs after she requests not to have sex, then drogo rubs on her (sensually), and then the implication is that she's "into it" and they're good to go. which is pretty absurd and gross (she's 12-13 for one thing).

the comment of mine you replied to specifically says "after their first time". that aside, I don't have any problem with the point you raised wrt her age & ability to consent in the text (also the fact she was literally sold to him).

I feel really sorry for him.

So do I, and I hated his rape/castration scene and then all the subsequent jokes made about it (lol genital mutilation) but some people just can't get enough of those...

Thought the Theon/Ramsay scene was one of the best in episode 1 and that Ramsay is working out in ways he really shouldn't have.

Ramsay was really great in the dungeon scenes; felt like it overstepped into ham territory with his father though

littlefinger cracking me up so much after two lines i've had to pause it

Can we call him Long John Littlefinger now since he fancies himself a pirate

I'm with reddening. The bad taste in my mouth wrt this show has become too bitter to ignore.

I feel like a bad person for not really feeling in any way remotely upset, annoyed or offended by any of the scenes in this show.

The notorious Buffy/Spike attempted rape in Season 6 is my personal line in the sand for this kind of stuff, and while I don't feel as strongly about this particular instance as I did about that, it still feels gross and unnecessary and has now taken me out of the show even more than the crazy amounts of boobage and whatever else

now granted I'm a hypocrite because I know I'll still watch the show...I kept watching buffy after that too...but now I'm just kinda along for the ride and consciously not invested in any kind of escapism that the show offered me before now. like, I have their number, I know there's an angle now, and it'll be a lot easier for me to dip out if I do eventually lose interest

idk

maybe that's not a very good explanation but

yeah, so that's me

i can certainly sympathize with anyone offended by the show in general--it's basically packed with cravenly gratuitous violence and sex. we all draw that line where we will. but for me it's so pulpy and basically absurd that i can only be amused at it. it doesn't even really approach anything genuinely transgressive, in either a positive or negative sense.

wish they'd divert a little bit of the t&a budget to find a way to film a genuinely exciting action scene.

yeah. the big showdown with nu-Dany hunk guy was basically the opening of Troy. but it was also fairly well done and i like Troy so

It was better! I did like that scene.

xxp:

Besides Daenarys and the surviving Starks, most characters have been presented as repugnant in some way. So none of their actions should be taken as an endorsement.

I suspect a depiction like GRRMs, and which the director failed to achieve (non-consensual advances that suddenly become consensual) would paint the screenwriter/showrunner in a worse light.

There's still a number of female characters with way more agency than their male counterparts, even if only a couple get to swing swords on the regular.

As for the token nudity, the show could stand more sexual equality. Perhaps we'll see Olenna Redwyne's nubile houseboys (guessing here, haven't read) ahould the show visit Highgarden.

Ramsay was really great in the dungeon scenes; felt like it overstepped into ham territory with his father though

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i think the dude who plays him is pretty lame, for one, he looks like every other dude around his age on the show, like exactly, and for two, yeah, ham city

Ham City. Porktown. The Big Oinker. We all had names for the place. But what went down there was no side of bacon.

Michael McElhatton is great as Roose, though, so that helps.

Yeah he has the perfect voice

totally. ramsay should be more roosey.

also this tweet is otm https://twitter.com/nicole_cliffe/status/458042660993789953

Well, it's well-established that he's a bit of a doppleganger for Ted Leo

well-established in all the best circles

I don't mind Ramsay but at the same time roose has such a sinister creepy terence stamp thing going that he feels a bit lightweight in comparison.

The book definitely characterizes the Boltons/Bolton-Snows that way.

Littlefinger's accent has definitely become more ridiculous this season, right?

Littlefinger was using the same tone of voice he used to deliver his "chaos is a ladder" speech - which may have been the last we saw of his character at the end of last season?

I remain unmoved by the 'rape' scene. It was grim, but in this show it didn't strike me as being something that stood out of place, particularly.

It seems even thicker than at the end of last season though.vIt's kind of puzzling that in the course of shooting his scenes no one is like "TIME OUT dude why are you talking like that?"

i enjoy the weird accent. the show has made him much more of a pantomime villain and i am fully behind the theatre of it.

Inbetween last season and this, we watched the Wire, which has made Littlefinger all the more puzzling.