his is always more interesting when the bands who do the "bettering" actually kind of epic-ly fail in their copy: see Miles Davis thinking he was playing music like Sly Stone or Jimi Hendrix on Bitches Brew, Led Zeppelin playing old blues songs,
Didn't think these were cases of people actually aiming for faithful imitation?
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 19 April 2014 02:43 (ten years ago) link
electric wizard are no iron claw.
― rushomancy, Saturday, 19 April 2014 11:13 (ten years ago) link
Uncle Acid & The Deadbeats > Black SabbathLed Zeppelin > loads of old bluesmen
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Saturday, 19 April 2014 12:14 (ten years ago) link
Suuns>Clinic at the moment, and Clinic put out a pretty strong album last year (Suuns was better)
― dlp9001, Saturday, 19 April 2014 12:18 (ten years ago) link
And I'm nervous about writing this, but MBV is kind of an elephant in the room, I think.
― dlp9001, Saturday, 19 April 2014 12:21 (ten years ago) link
xps re aerosmith: listen to rocks.
― sleepingsignal, Friday, 18 April 2014 23:42 (Yesterday) Permalink
super happy to have a new band to listen to now
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 19 April 2014 17:59 (ten years ago) link
never thought the new band would be aerosmith
you know why they named it rocks?
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Monday, 21 April 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link
admittedly i've only heard a handful of Royal Trux songs but it has never occurred to me that they might be ripping off Aerosmith.
― smhphony orchestra (crüt), Monday, 21 April 2014 17:44 (ten years ago) link
Wooden Shjips > Les Rallizes Denudes
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 April 2014 21:17 (4 days ago) Permalink
What Wooden Shjips releases sound like Rallizes? I never woulda thought to associate them. Shjips seem a bit more kraut and Rallizes are more Sister Ray kinda thing, at least what I've heard
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 21 April 2014 18:09 (ten years ago) link
someone saying Wooden Shjips are better than Les Rallizes Denudes is literally the craziest most morally reprehensible thing I've ever heard
― smhphony orchestra (crüt), Monday, 21 April 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link
VDGG were 70s music that I find to be an order of maybe 10^3 x heavier than Sabbath
― imago, Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:19 PM (4 days ago)
wait, what? are you operating on some special snowflake definition of "heavy"?
― sarahell, Monday, 21 April 2014 18:28 (ten years ago) link
― smhphony orchestra (crüt), Monday, 21 April 2014 19:10 (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
srsly
― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Monday, 21 April 2014 18:37 (ten years ago) link
xp yeah most people's definition of "heavy" doesn't include guy who plays acoustic guitar and no other guitar ever. i mean vdgg are heavy in their own way but if i tried to pass "killer" off to my metalhead brother as "heavy" i'd be laughed out of the room.
this thread can't help but make me think of the old saying "nanos gigantum humeris insidentes", which actually describes oasis fairly well now that i think of it
― rushomancy, Monday, 21 April 2014 19:45 (ten years ago) link
hammill most certainly has played electric guitar
skip to 6:27 of this and tell me VDGG aren't heavy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-6QXVFcczw
― imago, Monday, 21 April 2014 19:49 (ten years ago) link
thought of a pre-70s example: 21st Century Schizoid Man ffs. I mean, I've recently heard and liked the Sabbath Bloody Sabbath album after various individuals grew piqued at my claims, but that shit's soft-rock compared to the Crimson at their fieriest
― imago, Monday, 21 April 2014 19:52 (ten years ago) link
and m8 it's "nanos gigantum humero insidentes" if we're talking about oasis
― imago, Monday, 21 April 2014 19:53 (ten years ago) link
VDGG were 70s music that I find to be an order of maybe 10^3 x heavier than Sabbath― imago, Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:19 PM (4 days ago)wait, what? are you operating on some special snowflake definition of "heavy"?
<3 VdGG and imago but lol
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 12:44 (ten years ago) link
This whole thread, and no mention of Sunn O))) / Earth ?
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link
again, if someone wants to talk about the sabbath/crimson nexus you really have to talk about iron claw- took their name from "schizoid man", aped sabbath, got themselves some ian macdonald-style sax and mellotron. their later recordings particularly, like "all i really need", right there.
hammill does play electric guitar, you're right. i'd kind of rather he didn't, like when he did that 16 minute reggae tune in 1976. vdgg "heavy"? sure, but generally in the same way as the first couple st. vincent records.
― rushomancy, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 17:57 (ten years ago) link
Why do I get this all the time, with so many bands?
Like, with Led Zep. I can name several bands who've taken their tricks and (imo) improved on them by miles, in terms of songwriting and sonics. It isn't ignorance (because I've tried with Led Zeppelin, repeatedly), so what is it? Cloth ears?
― Who whom kissed? (imago), Friday, 6 June 2014 18:50 (nine years ago) link
danava "one mind gone separate ways" = "achilles last stand"
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:06 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you see, I absolutely love this Danava song but can't get into the Zeppelin. why? I don't want zings, I want to know if I've spoilt myself rotten with contemporary sonic standards and require electronic sturm und drang or tricksy songwriting in my classic rock to enjoy it at all
I mean, I've been really getting into Hawkwind's album Quark, Strangeness And Charm - it doesn't sound 'dated' at all, but this might be because it comes from slightly later on - maybe punk truly changed everything - maybe the psych-rockers started listening to prog properly - maybe everyone bought synths - help me out here
Captain Beyond's s/t from '72 nails it as well, so I'm not sure it's a modernity issue. I think it's about the extent to which genuinely progressive elements were incorporated?
or I may have ADHD
― Who whom kissed? (imago), Friday, 6 June 2014 21:07 (nine years ago) link
I also like Hawkwind's 'Warrior On The Edge Of Time', mostly coz of the mellotron
― Who whom kissed? (imago), Friday, 6 June 2014 21:08 (nine years ago) link
You can't even get into The Immigrant Song, really?
― sarahell, Monday, 9 June 2014 03:43 (nine years ago) link
to add to that danava song, as above, lansing-dreiden 'disenchanted' >>>>>>>> everything new order ever did ever
― imago, Monday, 15 June 2015 23:30 (eight years ago) link
I think ALS was a production triumph. How does Danava improve on it sonically? By adding that synth line?
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 02:26 (eight years ago) link
There are countless ways One Mind Gone Separate Ways improves (for me) on Achilles Last Stand, to the extent it really is not the same song at all. It isn't just superficial stuff like an extra synth line - it adds several extra chords to the sequence, making it much less repetitive and imo more dramatic. There are more fun rhythmic switches, a better and more memorable bass line, different textures adding to the sense of a lush, orchestrated trip, and above all a clearer sense of development throughout the song, featuring a sick bridge section featuring both mellotron and horns falling headlong into a cataclysmic final build slathered in all sorts of astonishing synth bullshit, it's so amazing lol, I'm listening to it again right now in honour of them finally releasing a new album and it's just as incredible as it always was, but above all, it is extremely psychedelic in a way the original song just wasn't. I'd hardly call it an imitation, more that they had an idea based on ALS but took it in some insane psych-prog direction
I mean, you decide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdVrV1XQxXI
― imago, Sunday, 7 May 2023 06:13 (eleven months ago) link
Sorry for taking nearly 8 years to reply
― imago, Sunday, 7 May 2023 06:14 (eleven months ago) link