i take it that means i get to vote three or four times for tangled
― recommend me a new bagman (darraghmac), Sunday, 13 April 2014 23:20 (ten years ago) link
I guess I'll vote for The Emperor's New Groove since I remember watching it and really enjoying it one night (I was on holiday, but sick as a dog so I stayed in), even though I barely remember a thing about it. Still haven't seen Lilo and Stitch.
This may not have been Disney's best period, but there were some good TV cartoons around this time. Personally I loved Kim Possible for its light, affectionate satire of spy/superhero cartoon and comic book cliches. The main character may have been a little bland, but her rotating Rogue's Gallery were hilarious. A much smarter show than some gave it credit for. If TV movies were included here, I'd vote for the KP movie A Sitch in Time.
Fillmore was great too - basically, a cop show transplanted into a middle school setting, complete with pseudo-"serious" tone. Definitely one of the stranger Disney properties. The opening sequence is basically a cop show theme, as played by a school band:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-Mh0YnbuR4
And finally, there was American Dragon: Jake Long. This wasn't really on the same level - one of those shows that tried too hard to keep you entertained. It also suffered a really jarring shift in art styles between its two seasons. But still, it had built up some pretty interesting characters and mythology by the end.
― Duane Barry, Monday, 14 April 2014 08:09 (ten years ago) link
Dali and Disney: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GFkN4deuZU
― glumdalclitch, Monday, 14 April 2014 08:38 (ten years ago) link
it's going to be hard to pick between lilo and stitch and emperor's new groove. the latter is hilarious, quotable, clever; the former manages to tell one of the most emotionally resonant stories disney's done (all in the midst of an OTT alien framework). the scene in the hammock, when lilo's sister nani has been told she'll have to surrender lilo to child protective services the next day, after she's tried and tried and tried to adequately provide for her, and now there's literally nothing she can do to stop it...i don't know if there's another moment in the disney canon that matches it for heartbreak.
brother bear had rick moranis and dave thomas basically doing bob & doug mckenzie as moose, so it gets points for being the reason my dad had me watch strange brew.
― reddening, Monday, 14 April 2014 10:35 (ten years ago) link
Groove is really fun/funny. Lilo is fun, too, and smart and strange.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 April 2014 11:52 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MNllfr6wVY
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 April 2014 11:55 (ten years ago) link
I had totally forgotten about Fillmore, but that Youtube thumb rings the vaguest of bells, so whenever I caught some random episode, it must have made an impression.
Another great thing about Lilo & Stitch is how relatable Lilo herself is. We've seen so many plucky, misunderstood orphans that it's a revelation to see one where a) the loss of the parents feels real, and damaging, and b) the 'misundertanding' feels the way it would with an actual kid - Lilo *is* actually out of control, flying off the handle and socking the mean kids. Daveigh Chase is fantastic, too. ''That's from my Blue Period!''
It's also cool how most of these movies both look and move differently from each other, something Hercules brought back in after a really long period of varying content and budget but relatively consistent style. Chris Sanders's exaggerated character designs and watercolor backgrounds on Lilo, Mike Mignola's super-un-Disneyfied designs for the Atlantis supporting cast, the hyperkinetic bouncing action of Groove... it's neat.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 14 April 2014 12:43 (ten years ago) link
Groove and Lilo are so great. I think probably the former by just a hair.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbno75Yl9x1ry10fwo1_500.gif
― bi-polar uncle (its OK-he's dead) (Phil D.), Monday, 14 April 2014 12:48 (ten years ago) link
L&S over Groove by a hair. Although L&S is also notable in being the rare Disney movie where the hero blatantly murders the villain.
Groove fans might want to search out the documentary "The Sweatbox" available on various bittorrent sites, but be warned that it was made by Sting's wife and features lots of Sting being Sting.
― qwop zapatos (abanana), Monday, 14 April 2014 13:00 (ten years ago) link
Haha I was just reading up on that on Wiki in re: the rambling origins of Groove out of a heavy epic 'Prince and the Pauper' treatment. And supposedly it was Sting who insisted on the current ending of the film!
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 14 April 2014 13:25 (ten years ago) link
lilo+stitch cuz hawaii
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 14 April 2014 16:00 (ten years ago) link
Watching frzon its fuckin shockingly shit wtf
― recommend me a new bagman (darraghmac), Monday, 14 April 2014 19:11 (ten years ago) link
It's not good! It's success is so baffling that Disney ran out of toys.
http://jezebel.com/frozen-merch-is-sold-out-everywhere-and-parents-are-los-1561331628?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 April 2014 19:20 (ten years ago) link
What the fuck are you guys talking about? It's so good.
― how's life, Monday, 14 April 2014 19:26 (ten years ago) link
Its picked up since the snowman but its really lazy and poor and eh the singing is poor, im p sure i heard autotune at one point
― recommend me a new bagman (darraghmac), Monday, 14 April 2014 19:36 (ten years ago) link
It got worse again, awful.
― recommend me a new bagman (darraghmac), Monday, 14 April 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link
Anyone want to rep for any of the Pooh spinoffs? Is there a standout among them? There has to be ONE ilxor-parent who's gotten dragged to all of 'em.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 13:53 (ten years ago) link
I have a niece enthuses re piglet movie fwiw
― recommend me a new bagman (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 13:59 (ten years ago) link
The Pooh movie from a few years ago was pretty solid. Maybe it was Heffalump?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 15:15 (ten years ago) link
Maybe 2011's Winnie the Pooh...?
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link
Yeah that one was good for a movie that was only about 63 minutes long that I still wanted to be over from the very first minute.
― Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 16:18 (ten years ago) link
Eric's sn reminds me: has anyone seen kronk's new groove? Feel like emperor's is better suited to the rushed-out stdvd sequel than most - is it worth checking out?
― forum enthusiast (wins), Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:33 (ten years ago) link
kronk's new groove isn't anywhere near as good, it's got a couple laughs but I was disappointed.
― reddening, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 17:44 (ten years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Saturday, 26 April 2014 00:01 (ten years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Sunday, 27 April 2014 00:01 (ten years ago) link
OHANA MOTHERFUCKERS
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 27 April 2014 00:01 (ten years ago) link
Wow! Expected it to be much closer. And would you look at all those zeros....
Should we finish this, then? Or are the remaining ones "too new"?
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 27 April 2014 00:35 (ten years ago) link
dr casino the blurbs for these polls are really excellent btw
― slam dunk, Sunday, 27 April 2014 01:07 (ten years ago) link
aww, thank you!
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 27 April 2014 01:15 (ten years ago) link
i would argue you could poll from 05 up thru but not including princess and the frog cuz they did at least start having hits again (chicken little was the first disney animated feature to debut at #1 since dinosaur) but they weren't really 'back' like they clearly have been since they went 'o, right - PRINCESSES'. that might not be enough movies though. otherwise yeah too soon i think, frozen might be the peak (i mean almost certainly right? it's the highest grossing animated movie ever) but there's more to come.
― balls, Sunday, 27 April 2014 01:29 (ten years ago) link
Absolutely poll the rest i didnt come this far not to vote for tangled
― james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Sunday, 27 April 2014 01:31 (ten years ago) link
start on live action
― balls, Sunday, 27 April 2014 01:57 (ten years ago) link
ha, balls the list you describe would be Chicken Little, Bambi 2, Meet The Robinsons, Tinker Bell (!?) and Bolt - not sure we would see voting in droves there
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 27 April 2014 02:01 (ten years ago) link
bolt was good
― Mordy , Sunday, 27 April 2014 02:09 (ten years ago) link
yeah do the rest up until frozen! that would include wreck-it ralph, right?
― reddening, Sunday, 27 April 2014 07:09 (ten years ago) link
i remember enjoying Meet the Robinsons quite a bit but can't really remember a lot about it now
― you poll a lot, but you're not saying anything (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 27 April 2014 09:40 (ten years ago) link
Will launch the next poll later today I think. As for live-action, if someone wants to do those they should go for it, I don't have NEARLY enough of a handle on that to even attempt the periodization... that's a lot of movies!
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 27 April 2014 13:08 (ten years ago) link
bedknobs n broomsticks A+
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Sunday, 27 April 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, April 14, 2014 3:20 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
When I went to Disney last weekend, the line to meet the Frozen princesses was, I was told, six hours long
― whatchutola khomeini (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 27 April 2014 18:01 (ten years ago) link
that's a useful way to free up an entire disney park for kids with taste imo
― james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Sunday, 27 April 2014 18:05 (ten years ago) link
Is Frozen so good that a cynical 25 year old man would enjoy it, drunk, by himself?
― Dreamland, Sunday, 27 April 2014 18:33 (ten years ago) link
Do you cry at movies? I do, and I did. If I was drunk by myself I think I probably would have bawled.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 27 April 2014 18:39 (ten years ago) link
Disney animated features: Give a little pixel (2005-2013)
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 27 April 2014 18:43 (ten years ago) link
Well I'd be lying if I said I didn't get the feels at the beginning of Up, so yeah.
― Dreamland, Sunday, 27 April 2014 18:48 (ten years ago) link
i feel like i've kinda said this maybe too much this past fortnight over the polls and threads but frozen was badly paced, lazily characterized and had a completely unintelligible story that seemed to have missed out on several hours of exposition somewhere in the first ten minutes. and there's no middle, just a snowman.
it sucked.
― james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Sunday, 27 April 2014 18:59 (ten years ago) link
and the singing was straight up bad
New poll, y'all! Official unofficial Frozen love/hate thread there (in case the original ILX Frozen thread didn't cut it).
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 27 April 2014 19:02 (ten years ago) link
Oh man, so mad at myself for not pulling out Treasure Planet by date at trivia tonight (tho the training from threads has come in handy many another time).
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 04:08 (nine years ago) link
man these threads were great. I spent about forty hours of depressed evenings last late winter early sprig being lulled by disney in an empty house
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 06:54 (nine years ago) link
aww
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:15 (nine years ago) link
I'm glad I did 'em, for somewhat related reasons. Emperor's New Groove in particular really hit the spot this one crummy day at this one lousy apartment I was staying at. There's still quite a few of these flicks I want to go back and finally watched, though I covered a bunch during the poll era.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 22 January 2015 00:29 (nine years ago) link
Just finished up with Fantasia 2000. What an oddity. It barely broke even, but that can't have been a surprise - this is the kind of thing you green-light to try and cut everybody's teeth on new technology, and release mainly to maintain the prestige of the brand. Wiki: Because Katzenberg continued to express some hostility towards the film, Disney held development meetings without him and instead reported directly to Eisner(.) Apparently real story and details were getting worked out as early as 1992, so that may also explain why it doesn't look like technically cutting-edge animation in the year 2000, and actually the parts that do (those hideous whales) have aged pretty badly. The host segments, with lame and stagey jokes delivered by Bette Midler, James Earl Jones, Steve Martin (etc.) are really painful, and make it feel more like a Disney Channel special than an IMAX spectacular; they also join with the reissued "Sorceror's Apprentice" to pad the running time out.
"Sorceror's Apprentice" of course is still great, but yeah... seen it. They justify it by leaning on the idea that Disney intended Fantasia to be more of a perpetually updated road show than a movie... but that didn't actually happen, so to keep just the one bit after so long just seems a little cheap. Some of the new segments are pleasantly diverting, particularly Eric Goldberg's two comic contributions (the yo-yo flamingo short subject, to The Carnival of the Animals, and the Al Hirschfeld/UPA treatment of Rhapsody in Blue). It's not the worst way to pass 72 minutes, but I can't imagine ever popping it in again; if I'm in the mood for an animation anthology set to classical music, the original is just obviously better across the board.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 10 December 2015 14:49 (eight years ago) link
It is.
But other than The Emperor's New Groove, it's the only one out of this grouping I'd watch again ... mostly for the music, admittedly.
― Ballistic: ILX vs. Sever (Eric H.), Thursday, 10 December 2015 14:52 (eight years ago) link
But what about Lilo???
I can almost imagine watching Treasure Planet again, but it's possible I would give up and turn it off when the comedy robot shows up. Atlantis is a failure but has some neat visuals IIRC.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 10 December 2015 15:02 (eight years ago) link
I do not sign on to the cult of Lilo.
― Ballistic: ILX vs. Sever (Eric H.), Thursday, 10 December 2015 15:02 (eight years ago) link
Stitch by himself still massively popular in Japan (or was 3 years ago) - I understand there's an anime with Stitch and without Lilo o_O
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 10 December 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link
he Al Hirschfeld/UPA treatment of Rhapsody in Blue
my memory is this is the only really good sequence
the Noah's Arc thing is appalling
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 December 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link
Again, I find it difficult to separate my affinity for certain pieces of music from the quality of their accompanying segments, but I rate Pines of Rome, Firebird, the Shostakovich piano concerto and Rhapsody in Blue. The flamingos are fine too. But yeah, Pomp and Circumstance is truly dud.
― Ballistic: ILX vs. Sever (Eric H.), Thursday, 10 December 2015 16:49 (eight years ago) link
Also really sad, since "Noah appoints Donald Duck as head animal-assembler for the Ark" sounds like a solid-gold premise for a 1930s short, but here it becomes leaden and sappy, with even the slapstick stuff undone by the weightiness of the animation and music.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 10 December 2015 16:57 (eight years ago) link
Tons of solid choices music-wise and then they throw in ... that.
― Ballistic: ILX vs. Sever (Eric H.), Thursday, 10 December 2015 17:14 (eight years ago) link
Let's not forget the greatest-hits version of Beethoven's Fifth, over a hand-animated screen saver of lights in the sky. Followed IIRC immediately by "Hi, I'm Steve Martin! What you just saw..."
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 10 December 2015 18:14 (eight years ago) link
Home on the Range: exactly as pointless and disposable as you'd imagine. I'll allow that it's at least colorful and enthusiastic, and Randy Quaid's yodeling song is pretty good. But the arcs are really flat and tired, there are no real emotional hooks, and basically it seems like an attempt to replicate New Groove's Looney-Tunes-ism without any real sense of how that movie worked. Beats them trying to keep up with Shrek mind you.
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 13 January 2018 06:47 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdZcsrtiUac
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 13 January 2018 07:10 (six years ago) link