Is this anti-semitism?

To me it seems obvious that there are a lot of forms of oppression short of genocide. Of course Israel is oppressing the Palestinians, and of course it's not genocide.

there's no fun in not making your point in the douchiest, most offensive way possible

well YMMV of course but if I were part of a movement Judith Butler is the last person I'd want as my "philosopher and political theorist." she couldn't philosophize or theorize her way out of paper bag.

― espring (amateurist)

quite an odd claim in light of her work on gender (I mean we're not talking about a joke like Zizek here) but hmmm ok.

i thought one of the most damning things in that piece about butler was how she jettisoned the entire cultural mediation argument she pioneered w/ gender when it came to israel

i don't think i've posted this anywhere on ilx yet? it's pretty lol imo:

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/02/11/professor-strips-thesis-of-judith-butler-sourcing-calls-for-rds-retractions-and-disavowals-in-scholarship-to-oppose-bds-interview/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26855043

what the fuck is wrong w/ kansas?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/14/us/3-killed-in-shootings-at-jewish-center-and-retirement-home-in-kansas.html

the quotes from the mayor in this piece are basically "everyone knew his views, no one believed what he said about Jewish people, he didn't have many followers, yeah I'm not surprised he did this. I consider him a friend."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/16/justice/kansas-jewish-centers-shooting/index.html?c=us

http://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-93-of-palestinians-hold-anti-jewish-beliefs/
http://global100.adl.org

1 Jews are more loyal to Israel than to (this country/to the countries they live in)

Would you consider it indicative of anti-Semitism to answer yes to that first question?

Many of the others seem fairly straightforward & obvious anti-Semitic clichés about influence on finance, business, media, etc. but that one seems different. I'm not sure I would answer yes but I think it's perfectly reasonable for a Jewish person to feel such loyalty - like it may or may not be the case but so what if it is?

I think the problem isn't whether an individual Jew is more loyal to Israel than to his country, but the assertion that "Jews" as a group are. It calls to mind the charge against Catholics (and JFK) that they'd be more loyal to the pope than to the United States.

The problem is also the implication of that, i.e. what people "really mean" when they say it, i.e. not merely that Jews have more affection for Israel, but that they're some kind of disloyal, treacherous fifth column.

1 Jews are more loyal to Israel than to (this country/to the countries they live in)

just a sec, let me check with the Elders of Zion

Yes, I should have paid more attention to the wording, sorry.

xxp

just check the elders-of-zion magic 8 ball™.

I still never quite get the point of these surveys and feel like the results get hyped up a bit. What is the significance of people in a country with few or no Jews thinking that Jews have "too much power in business"? Isn't the question itself kind of planting or fostering the idea, for that matter? We're talking largely about people for whom Jews are an abstract concept.

I know you probably mean Tanzania more than Poland but the reason some of these countries have few or no Jews is not for innocuous reasons.

I would go out on a limb and suggest that as far as places Jews actually live, the world has rarely been safer for Jews.

I agree, but that's because half of world jewry is in Israel and the other half is (with some exceptions) in English-speaking countries.

Like let's not get too excited that the Jews finally figured out that it wasn't safe to live in 99% of the world. That's hardly something for humanity to congratulate themselves on.

Foxman described finding “incredibly low levels of anti-Semitic beliefs” in European Protestant-majority countries such as Denmark, the United Kingdom, Netherlands and Sweden.

We win the competition

the other half is (with some exceptions) in English-speaking countries

I assume you mean the US, there's more Jews in France and in the UK (not checked the figures but pretty sure that's the case)

in France THAN the UK!!!!!

France is the big exception. The vast majority of diaspora Jews are in anglo countries (US, Canada, UK, Australia, South Africa).

But yeah, you're right, the US is the biggest piece there.

I would go out on a limb and suggest that as far as places Jews actually live, the world has rarely been safer for Jews.

― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Tuesday, May 13, 2014

like others have said, generally speaking, this is probably true. but these are scary times for the (relatively small) jewish populations of eastern european countries, like ukraine.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/05/the-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

as usual the ADL's notion of what constitutes anti-semitism is really fucked up. i wouldn't have trusted this study had they not outsourced it to a reputable 3rd party.

i think in general it speaks more to poor education than anti-semitism--though that's not as true in mideast to be sure.

also, i wonder how many americans know about the violence that accompanied the partition of india? (that cost possibly a million lives) 1%? .001%?

considering the findings of the study maybe the ADL (and Foxman) have legitimate reasons to be so on guard about anti-semitism.

only 57% of eastern europe believes the holocaust has been accurately described by history

lol, ok eastern europe

there is much reason to be on guard about anti-semitism, unfortunately the ADL are horrible people who appear to believe that any criticism of whatever regime is in power in israel constitutes unquestioned anti-seminism and get a lot of rhetorical mileage out of blurring these distinctions.

foxman is a complete asshole.

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only 57℅ of eastern europe believes the holocaust has been accurately described by history

Accepting the results at face value, it would be interesting to see this figure compared to the number of people in the region who think the number of Jewish deaths is greatly exaggerated, which seems to have been a separate question.

I also just wonder about some of these survey questions if they don't lead people who have barely given the issue a second thought in their lives to state a conclusion

this is such a bummer. my brother was just in brussels last week visiting his in-laws and i planned to go in the next year for a beer tour :/ oh belgium.

think we can fairly safely say 'yes' in this case tbh

have we talking about FN + ms le pen winning today anywhere? apparently 2 jews were attacked in paris today. bet both of these things speed along the french-jewish emigration

oh god le pen is still fucken at it

more popular than ever it seems

Lately in europe it seems like ww2 never happened

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/02/world/europe/suspect-arrested-in-jewish-museum-killings-in-belgium.html

Oldman continued. "I don’t blame him. So they persecute. Mel Gibson is in a town that’s run by Jews and he said the wrong thing because he’s actually bitten the hand that I guess has fed him—and doesn’t need to feed him anymore because he’s got enough dough. He’s like an outcast, a leper, you know? But some Jewish guy in his office somewhere hasn’t turned and said, 'That f--king kraut' or 'F--k those Germans,' whatever it is?

yes because a Jew disparaging Germans is totally analogous to a Catholic disparaging Jews, yup, totally the same thing.

Man, remember when the Jews murdered all those Germans and Catholics, that was just awful.

I have never in my entire life heard a Jewish guy say "that fucking kraut" fwiw.

"imagine all the people racist like me"

I'm pretty sure I have made some disparaging remarks about Germans while watching something on TV about Nazis

"kraut" is something only WWII vets say ime

PLAYBOY: Who speaks the truth in this culture, in your opinion?

OLDMAN: There are a number of people. A voice I particularly like is Charles Kraut-hammer

Gary loves his krauts though!

ugh I can let some clueless racism slide now and then but being into the Childcatcher is beyond the pale

the 'that's not analogous!' line, idk. not that it seems to apply here tbh.