OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

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my wife's stupid peacock feather collection

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 14:56 (ten years ago) link

bit of a #humblebrag, as my social media sphere is personally handcrafted

share the name of the Upper East side boutique where you bought this sphere

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 14:56 (ten years ago) link

I said personally!

da croupier, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 14:59 (ten years ago) link

artisanal friend requests

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:00 (ten years ago) link

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-H6M6koEvLIQ/UWD_muxY_mI/AAAAAAAAMSk/Sey2FtBFc-c/s1600/DSC_0140.JPG

you can take your balls everywhere you travel

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:01 (ten years ago) link

j. mostly otm about the npr effect, or the way things can become neutralized in the name of "good taste" and how this is a kind of hegemonic pov that should be resisted. but i want to add that there's nothing inherently wrong with being anodyne. there is a place for aesthetics that seek to soothe rather than provoke, especially in the area of home decor, but in music too, and painting, and anything else. there is a way in which i am not super interested in picking apart this woman's personal life and her apartment.

Treeship, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:06 (ten years ago) link

The reason this is getting more attention than music-writing by women who know their shit is that it has an angle. Ordinary, knowledgeable. music writing just doesn't get zoomed around the internet, period.

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:09 (ten years ago) link

it has an angle THAT TIES INTO EXISTING STEREOTYPES.

maura, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:11 (ten years ago) link

^

We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:11 (ten years ago) link

why do you think all the worst, most self-image-reinforcing shit on buzzfeed gets shared further than anything else?

maura, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:12 (ten years ago) link

it's practically begging for a Buzzfeed response: "10 Things Your Girlfriend Says About Your Record Collection"

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:12 (ten years ago) link

i don't care about her life, i care about her instantiation of a cultural phenomenon, as e.g. exemplified in the way that this is a project, and is readily set up as a project, simply by virtue of resolving to write about these records in order and style the project as

My Husband's Stupid Record Collection
Where I listen to my husband's record collection, one record at a time, and tell you what I think.

with header image and house style (here is a record, here i am holding it) and etc.

… which is then the automatic object of momentary interest

when there are writers like maura or katherine or deej or whiney or so many others showing how it could be done (think about how much shit they know and how hard they work to capture moods and sensibilities and tie music to its contexts and put something of themselves at stake), and even amateurs who can poke their heads out into the same public space without automatically ceding anything that might have been individually or personally important to them about the products of culture that they identify as their reason for doing so

j., Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link

the high concept is a winner. no doubt. i really thought you guys were gonna just shrug when i posted this but i also knew that you were gonna hear about it a lot this week and i'd see that ol' ilx fire.

when i did that pitchfork thing i got like 5 zillion more hits on my blog than i ever have before. again, high concept. it ain't rocket science. though i certainly didn't expect it. i dunno how much these people expected it. the attention, i mean. but they are pretty savvy so maybe they knew they had something.

scott seward, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:18 (ten years ago) link

"a winner" in the sense that it's easy to grasp and very linkable/clickable.

scott seward, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:18 (ten years ago) link

what would get more Google hits: "Pitchfork" or "my husband"

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:19 (ten years ago) link

the title of my blog post was catchy and easy to grasp too. just write about pitchfork and you'll do fine. 10,000+ blog hits versus i dunno 200+ average on the regular.

scott seward, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:23 (ten years ago) link

she is the best damn music writer i have read in ages and i am crazy crazy jealous, like knowing what harper lee was up to her teens & 20s level jealous. just for the record.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:25 (ten years ago) link

when i did that pitchfork thing i got like 5 zillion more hits on my blog than i ever have before. again, high concept. it ain't rocket science. though i certainly didn't expect it. i dunno how much these people expected it. the attention, i mean. but they are pretty savvy so maybe they knew they had something.

― scott seward, Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:18 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

scott the reason that thing got a zillion hits was it was full of very funny easy to find one liners about and lots of people of have heard of. the concept there is "scott is mean and casually dismissive and funny" more than any particular format to hang that hat on.

eric banana (s.clover), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link

well I had completely missked skot's pitchfork thing until now, so at least this discussion produced something good

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:36 (ten years ago) link

actually the most hits i got was after j. hopper linked it on rookiemag. i was a teen sensation for a minute there.

scott seward, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:40 (ten years ago) link

I have a million and one things to say to Maura and Katherine about this, which would probably be better said in (semi-)private on Tumblr or wherever, because this is starting to feel uncomfortable. And yet. Damn the cross-posts.

1) The whole "ooh you're just jealous" thing. You know what, in a world where there is only allowed to be One Woman Anything (remember, you're talking to the girl whose band was not signed by a label who loved us "because we already have a girl band!") it is an awful warping lens. Where the one woman who succeeds gets held up as some kind of benchmark. And instead of hating on the system whereby only one woman is allowed through (and then has to speak for ~all women~) it is *really* easy to get caught up in "it's not fair that this woman got the book dead/record deal/whatever and why not these other great women who totally deserved it (including me)". It would be dishonest of me not to include myself in this group. Of course I am jealous that this woman gets hundreds of thousands of readers, and my little blog gets 250 and I will never get a book deal ever. You know what? There are dude writers who I cannot stand and everyone tosses their 8000 word thinkpieces around on twitter and I just think "why the fuck do you even like this boring masturbatory toss" but the thing is, no one holds up these boring ~dudely writers~ as a benchmark whose mastubatory thinkpieces hurt or harm other male writers. So why do we do it to this woman? I think that Maura is right to go after the *system* rather than the woman, but then turns around and starts criticising the woman's tone or style or voice. Which leads us to:

2) This is something that comes off the Gurl Thread. It's something that ENBB said to me, which has resonated in my head for a long time afterwards. I am a gender non-conforming/genderqueer/whatever woman. I get extra added shit, in addition to the normal every day shit of being read as female, for being this way. I have, in the past, got very angry at women who *do* perform "stereotypically female" roles and enjoy stereotypically female activities and conform to ~feminine stereotypes~. Because my sense was, "lady you are making things so much harder for people like me." Because my sense was, they were just going along with What Society Told Them To Be, and they got an easy ride because they were able to conform to "pretty" and to "gender stereotypes" and therefore got all the Nice Stuff that was denied me, because I couldn't and wouldn't. And we butted heads on this a lot, but what she said was very true: it's not that simple. Many women do and enjoy ~stereotypically feminine things~ not because they are brainwashed by society but because that is who *they* are. It is not my place to judge whether a woman who performs femininity a certain way is doing it because it's her genuine gender expression or because she's brainwashed by patriarchy and the cis-tem, maaaan. I can certainly criticise the *system* that rewards feminine women and punishes genderqueer persons with nice things like societal approval and publishing contracts. But criticising a woman for being stereotypically feminine and performing in a way that TIES INTO EXISTING FEMININE STEREOTYPES? NOPE. I learned the hard way that's not on. And that's what I see every time I see women criticising *this woman* for "making it harder for the rest of us!"

3) Tone/style/voice whatever you want to call it. Living in Britain, my only exposure to this "NPR twee" thing you keep talking about is vague awareness of threads I avoid because they are overly American and also clusterfucks. She writes like a LadyBlog, yes. Surprise! SHE IS WRITING A LADYBLOG! It's like there are two conflicting narratives in this thread: A) she is some mastermind of marketing who is deeply embedded in "NPR culture" and also is a librarian who has read a thousand books and therefore knows exactly what it takes to Write A Best-Selling Blog Crossover and so she has deliberately constructed this "Faux Naif" tone to exactly nail the right tone to push record-snob-man-buttons into making her blog a smash viral hit with instant publisher appeal!!! result!!! B) She is an amateur writer who knows very little about music, and writes about music as a Non-Music-Fan who writes like a LadyBlogger in LadyBlogTone because... (get this!) she reads a lot of LadyBlogs! Which of these narratives is true? A little of both? Somewhere inbetween? I don't feel qualified to call it. Maybe Maura has way more experience in public and can tell more easily what the aim of someone's prose is than I can? This is possible. It is also possible that I am completely missing the cultural context of WHY THESE PEOPLE ARE SO TERRIBLE because "NPR twee" is not a part of my experience and if it were, I'd hate it like I hate... oh I dunno Charlie Brooker or some British equivalent?

4) On letting down the team. I come from the other side of this. I know that I write with a tone which attracts *disapproval* from Serious Music Fan Men (and also many, many women). Because, basically, I aspire to write with the breathless enthusiasm of the 15 year old fangirl I used to be. I try to write about the emotions that music inspires in me. Some of these emotions are, um, salacious. OH MY GOD SHE'S TALKING ABOUT SEX AGAIN. I know it makes some men very uncomfortable when I talk about sex and music in this way. I also know, that in "serious fandoms" I often get taken aside by *other women* and told that I mustn't talk about music in such a ~fangirl~ way because it makes it harder for Serious Female Music Fans to be Taken Seriously, and not treated like raging fangirls who just want to fuck the boys onstage. And then we get to a point where I'm trying to review a band where the singer-dude is talking about fingerbanging and singing about threesomes and yet I must not mention sex or sexuality when describing my experience of this music because I might come off like a fangirl and let the team down. Right. So when I see other Female Music Fans talking about how Other Women must not reinforce bad female stereotypes, I really really get *my* hackles up.

I have spent way too long writing this to hit the back button now, even though sense tells me I really should and I'm going to get ripped apart, but there it is. Anyway, I have to go and look for a job now.

"Endemic. What does that mean, man?" (Branwell Bell), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:43 (ten years ago) link

can't you just have one thread where you make everything about you?

j., Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:47 (ten years ago) link

good luck xp

two bunny rabbits on mushrooms singing Proclaimers songs (onimo), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:47 (ten years ago) link

or maybe a blog involving reviews of every single blog post from that blog

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:47 (ten years ago) link

good luck with the job search!

kate, even though you can bug the hell out of me, i really do wish you well. and even though you think i'm an asshole. i wish the best for everyone here. and now i really gotta get the hell outta this place. i keep saying that...

scott seward, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:49 (ten years ago) link

great post j.!

many xps, er the one from about an hour ago

goole, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:50 (ten years ago) link

Oh man, I just opened this thread because it kept getting bumped. I gotta be honest, I don't even know why there is a controversy about this blog. The author reminds me of enough people I've met irl. I think this is a problem of not recognizing the diversity of humanity. Do you and your spouses share the same interests? My wife likes gardening. I like that she has a garden, but I don't really know what she's got in it. I could do a blog about my wife's weird eggplants and shit. Albert Ayler = kohlrabi, imo. I dunno.

how's life, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:52 (ten years ago) link

my wife's stupid vegetable collection.tumbloggy.com

eric banana (s.clover), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:54 (ten years ago) link

Dudes who go on at great lengths trying to make every thread on the board about themselves and their opinions and their must-read views on everything, criticising the woman who stands up and says "I have some gender-based relevant experience here" for omg you are making this thread ~all about you~": You're boring and I am so not here for you.

"Endemic. What does that mean, man?" (Branwell Bell), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:55 (ten years ago) link

sorry, Branwell (also hi Branwell, i didn't know you were you until just now), but i'm still allowed to bristle at the tone, which is totally overused to the point where it becomes damn nigh prescriptive. good luck with the job hunt.

maura, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:56 (ten years ago) link

xp What's up with this kohlrabi? It doesn't even seem like a proper vegetable. Is it trying to be a proper vegetable? Are people just pretending to like it? I don't get it.

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:56 (ten years ago) link

My wife's stupid vegetable drawer

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:57 (ten years ago) link

also i should note that i have, like, less than zero interest in ever writing for a ladyblog, and yet, because i am a cis-presenting heterosexual female that's the box i feel like i am being shoved toward constantly. the success of sites like this one only underlines that general shove. this is what i mean when i talk about online culture and the play-to-the-cheap-seats nature of virality (and probably online personals too, with their distillation of people into checkboxes and cutesy survey answers) rewarding those who conform (even uneasily) ever more disproportionately, to the point where the genuine misfits—even those who aren't really *that* ill-fitting, but are just enough—have even fewer safe havens.

maura, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:58 (ten years ago) link

I completely get that. I even agree with almost all of it! It's bullshit that people get criticized for "fangirl" writing on style-not-substance, it's bullshit that the person writing this blog is undoubtedly facing a lot of sexist crap because she's a woman writing in a particular way (not from people in this thread but in general, in the same way it always happens -- I mean, for all the thinkpieces involving race and pop, the main takeaway the majority of people took from the Miley Cyrus fiasco was "oh my god she's such a slutty slut slutting it up," it's THOSE people). But it's also bullshit to then accuse the women who take issue with this blog that they are secretly just being jealous. Even if the reason it's so easy to get caught up in that, supposedly, is that worrying that you won't get readers or a book deal ever usually means worrying that you won't be able to pay rent / have a career in five years / save for retirement / other completely rational worries during a recession (zoom_in_on_my_empty_wallet.gif and all that), what you're essentially implying is that these women are in the anti-sexism game just for their own personal gain, which is some Tracy Flick shit that is really crappy to apply en masse.

(I'm not in the UK so I don't really know who the UK equivalent of NPR twee would be. Cath Kidston twee? I feel like that might be more analogous to Vera Bradley twee. But then literally a foot away from me are things by both of them, so even though it was a gift from my sister I AM TOTALLY NOT A PERSON TO TALK ON THIS MATTER. Again, their "NPR lifestyle" is literally the least offensive part of this. I don't give a fuck how much Ikea they display, they can fund the entire country of Sweden through the furniture in their apartment for all I care.)

katherine, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 15:59 (ten years ago) link

Hi, please can you not use government names, thanks, I'll ask a mod to zap it. Cheers.

"Endemic. What does that mean, man?" (Branwell Bell), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 16:00 (ten years ago) link

I once got invited by a friend to write something for Jeffrey Goldberg's shortlived "jewsrock.com" site. I actually interviewed Norman Greenbaum, but I couldn't get him off of his canned interview answers, partly because he's a canned guy and partly because I was too timid to him off his canned answers. So I canned the project. And that site failed. It was a stupid idea anyway, probably about as stupid as the idea of a "lady" music blog.

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 16:01 (ten years ago) link

i applied for a grant for maura magazine last year and this site got it instead http://boxxmagazine.com/

and... well.

maura, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 16:04 (ten years ago) link

(also, I don't know who you are, or at least I don't know if I know who you are, but I would read a hypothetical music book by you based on the posts of yours I've read, so take that for whatever it's worth.)

katherine, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 16:04 (ten years ago) link

I completely feel your frustration(s) for being pushed towards a certain narrative and a certain way of presenting! Which is what makes it so hard for me to discuss this without coming across as table-pounding. But it's a dose of "how do you combat a stereotype (without pissing on people who do, by design or accident conforming to it)?" This is what I mean by "you lose either way".

"Endemic. What does that mean, man?" (Branwell Bell), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 16:04 (ten years ago) link

Nina Persson is trying to make a kale salad with the least amount of noise possible.

Also http://boxxmagazine.com/category/male-boxx/

waterbabies (waterface), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 16:05 (ten years ago) link

i think there has to be some combating that's perceived as pissing on the people. which may seem unfair, but that's why 'punching up' is more smiled upon than the reverse.

maura, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 16:07 (ten years ago) link

the people who conform. at the very least, that pissing might make them think about the world outside their sphere.

maura, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link

The author reminds me of enough people I've met irl.

There are people IRL?

1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link

I guess my point is, that I don't know that this particular woman is actually "punching up"?

"Endemic. What does that mean, man?" (Branwell Bell), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 16:09 (ten years ago) link

Or rather, that pissing on this woman, in particular, is "punching up".

"Endemic. What does that mean, man?" (Branwell Bell), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 16:10 (ten years ago) link

When her "stupid" book about her husband's "stupid record collection" sells as much as JK Rowling, then it might be punching up. But I don't know how much blog crossover books even sell.

"Endemic. What does that mean, man?" (Branwell Bell), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 16:11 (ten years ago) link

i mean again it boils down to whether or not you see critiques of her tone that would happen to any other writer whose prose is elevated to a particular level of popularity as 'pissing on.' and please don't tell me that she should be protected because it's 'just a tumblr' — tumblr is a publishing platform with a lot of potential for having its authors widely read and passed around (and it's not like writers at a lot of sites these days have their work edited, either)

maura, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 16:12 (ten years ago) link


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