Her music is pretty interesting tho, I have to admit. Like if a more boring version of Ed Wood had been given Michael Bay's budgets.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:45 (ten years ago) link
I'm like 98% sure I've already had this convo w/ you but the idea that authentic outsider artists (lol) aren't subject to kitsch or ironic appropriation or condescension is just baffling to me
― in my day this was all feels (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:49 (ten years ago) link
Ok punching holes in whatever dumb arguments are making is fine, and I admit I'm trolling a little. Still, how 'outsider' can you be when your first single is premiered on http://www.intouchweekly.com?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 17:33 (ten years ago) link
You seem to have a weirdly rigid idea of what constitutes "outside" society adam
Surely it's possible to feel like an outsider or express outsiderdom even while ostensibly being part of mainstream society? Especially if you're someone who's experienced the kind of life trauma and weirdness FA has?
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 18:45 (ten years ago) link
'outsider' is a slippery concept, obviously superstars & heads of state &c. often feel separated & isolated, kanye feels persecuted or w/e, but expressing that is different from being removed from mainstream aesthetic discourse
― ogmor, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 19:47 (ten years ago) link
Like if a more boring version of Ed Wood had been given Michael Bay's budgets.
if she's going to be like any version of Ed Wood then surely she meets some reasonable definition of 'outsider'? I'm sure anyone who wanted to be a pop star and had a reasonable budget or backing could get some jobbing producer (e.g. anyone above ARK Music Factory standards) and make something that did a passable if probably not very interesting job of being pop music. That FA seems to have deviated from that easy path somewhat is notable at least.
― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:02 (ten years ago) link
But Ed Wood didn't have his own syndicated show and flock of gossip magazines eating up everything he said did he?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:06 (ten years ago) link
But yeah y'all have some good points to make and yeah my idea of 'outsider artist' does seem to clash w the regularly accepted parameters. Just seems like someone doing something really pedestrian and mainstream but utterly failing, rather than bringing anything unique to the table other than a complete lack of talent. But it doesn't really matter that much to me so I'll shut up about it.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:13 (ten years ago) link
I doubt it's THAT easy -- I imagine most jobbing producers would prefer not to work with reality stars, hence most reality stars getting fairly fifth-string producers
― katherine, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:16 (ten years ago) link
(I kind of like to think of "outsider artist" in terms of "will this shit still exist in 30 years or is it doomed to be ephemeral" but that's also a re-interpretation)
― katherine, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:17 (ten years ago) link
there's plenty of ultra-mainstream crap that is forgotten immediately tho
― ogmor, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:21 (ten years ago) link
I like imagining that "the dude who runs the audio recording facility closest to Art Institute of Ft. Lauderdale" is the Michael Bay of pop music! Would like to know if this guy actually produced the whole album, though.
― cr4bdbgs, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:29 (ten years ago) link
there's definitely something in the term about slippage between intent and effect. i think what we mean an artist who has some aesthetic power but it's not what was intended. or the intent is really opaque.
one of my favorite local art exhibits of the past few years was a bunch of work done as part of art therapy for people with really profound mental illness or disability. there's almost no way to talk about it w/o terms that slide into condescension, i guess. but just on a formal level these artists happened upon (see? "happened upon") ways of working or repeating things that were really affecting. and maybe they wouldn't have been so powerful had i not known the story; there's no way of knowing.
― goole, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:31 (ten years ago) link
W/ Farrah Abraham "outsider" is an easy way to avoid using the phrase "experimental artist," which she (also?) is. It might hedge against agency/intentionality (probably not wrongly, but who knows?). It's a bit of a game of not quite this ("experimental musician") but definitely not that ("pop star"). I really don't understand how anyone could listen to "MTDE" and think, "oh man, listen to all these failed pop songs!"
I figure that "My Teenage Dream Ended" sounds very much like what she was intending it to sound like. I think she was messing around and through ambiguous means ended up with something great, and that any accidental greatness isn't any more or less accidental than anyone else's greatness.
― cr4bdbgs, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:44 (ten years ago) link
CelebURty -CelebURty --CelebURty
is there some deep meaning behind her spelling it this way in the video description's lyrics? anyway i am really enjoying this
― dyl, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 23:04 (ten years ago) link
i figured it was just "U R a celebrity"?
― The Greta Gerwig In The Sky (some dude), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 23:49 (ten years ago) link
I am singing this new song constantly.
― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 20:55 (ten years ago) link
xp oh of course! farrah is always operating a level ahead of me when it comes to wordplay and such (only just realized that fla, in addition to obv being her initials, refers to "the sunshine state" itself)
i've also been playing this song more than i thought i would initially
― dyl, Thursday, 27 March 2014 00:54 (ten years ago) link
rubbing shoulders with fatman scoop in the latest series of celebrity big brotherpraying for a collab
― nxd, Friday, 28 August 2015 08:47 (eight years ago) link
I particularly loved when it was her shot to fire the canon and she jumped up singing "I like balls, I like balls"
― boxedjoy, Friday, 28 August 2015 13:50 (eight years ago) link
Off-topic but I am fully on-board with a Celebrity Big Brother starring Farrah, Scoop, Tile Tequila, Janice Dicking on and Jenny Jameson
― boxedjoy, Friday, 28 August 2015 13:51 (eight years ago) link
*Dickinson, what an unfortunate autocorrect
― boxedjoy, Friday, 28 August 2015 13:52 (eight years ago) link
man this album is really fucking something
― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 September 2016 13:34 (seven years ago) link
yeah
― goole, Thursday, 8 September 2016 15:13 (seven years ago) link
I want her next album to be a straight cover ofhttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/smurfs/images/d/dc/Father_Abraham_In_Smurfland.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110830210200
― TARANTINO! (dog latin), Thursday, 8 September 2016 15:17 (seven years ago) link
i don't want to tie eeeeeverything to trump but someone needs to theorize the creative power of stupidity
― goole, Thursday, 8 September 2016 15:20 (seven years ago) link
i can only put so much in a post
― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 September 2016 15:23 (seven years ago) link
i still have a burned copy of this in my car
― circa1916, Thursday, 8 September 2016 15:23 (seven years ago) link
"After Prom" the parts where they have overdubs of her frantically whispering "don't tell don't tell don't tell don't tell don't tell don't let it get out" is crazy
― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 September 2016 15:54 (seven years ago) link
With Out This Ring... still a jam
― skip, Sunday, 25 June 2017 19:07 (six years ago) link
i miss that! ring
― dyl, Sunday, 25 June 2017 19:42 (six years ago) link
Well here's a deep cut come to life
http://www.thefader.com/2017/11/21/farrah-abraham-album-producer-interview
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 22:22 (six years ago) link
she sang it to a metronome!
― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 09:32 (six years ago) link
fuck me, this album is already six years old???
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 16 August 2018 00:50 (five years ago) link
She made another song two years after the album - it's slightly more normal, but she still has no idea what the words "rhythm" or "rhyme scheme" mean.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h53AzPEdku0
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 16 August 2018 01:42 (five years ago) link
Farrah Abraham HATES Joan Didion and thinks you should buy HER OWN book over Slouching Towards Bethlehem. She has suddenly become our most fearess critic. https://t.co/Y2BeQZnfs3 pic.twitter.com/ge6hzCme4t— Who? Weekly (@whoweekly) March 6, 2019
― goole, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 20:50 (five years ago) link
looool
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 20:57 (five years ago) link
lol
i actually tried reading my teenage dream ended! couldn't finish it
― dyl, Thursday, 7 March 2019 01:57 (five years ago) link
new penthouse, where you can read alan dershowitz, toby young, and farrah abraham together. what did we as a culture do to deserve this
― maura, Thursday, 7 March 2019 19:30 (five years ago) link
I finally found something with the same surreal "why was this made" vibe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBDAytqFrUk
― frogbs, Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:07 (five years ago) link
― maura, Thursday, March 7, 2019 1:30 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
edited by the singer from white lung, running copy from rightwing twitter trolls who haven't flamed out yet, it's a real smorgasbord
it was pretty funny watching them go after Nicole Cliffe and getting torched
― goole, Thursday, 7 March 2019 22:26 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qRKBQU8j3E
― ufo, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 02:31 (three years ago) link
Went to Farrah’s twitter inspired by this revive and it’s unsurprisingly filled with pro-Trump conspiracy bullshit. Also she apparently looks like a fish now.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 17:33 (three years ago) link
oh weird i was only discussing and rediscovering the FA album today on Facebook
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 17:35 (three years ago) link
yeah it hasn't gotten any less weird over time that's for sure
― frogbs, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link
seems even more striking now knowing that people like James Ferraro have dedicated their lives to finding a sound like this
― frogbs, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 17:49 (three years ago) link
this is AOTY
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 17:52 (three years ago) link
are the tracks only 10-15 seconds long?
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 17:55 (three years ago) link
come on kid, up your ante
aoty
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 21:10 (three years ago) link