My own, probably quite easily taken to fucking pieces on ILX opinion why the beeb is shit. Is that it has been socially firewalled and no mavericks are going to get through the gates. People like Clarke/Loach/Bleasdale don't get a chance anymore.
― xelab, Saturday, 15 March 2014 01:01 (ten years ago) link
yeah, i have posited this as "everything went to shit when they stopped making Play for Today" syndrome
essentially the BBC's best work, bar a few sitcoms, was never its most populist stuff
― pings can only get wetter (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 15 March 2014 09:01 (ten years ago) link
shameless
― massaman gai, Saturday, 15 March 2014 10:20 (ten years ago) link
I was a bit drunk and shouty last night disclaimer.
Re: Some of the BBC's populist stuff from now, once a show becomes a flagship show some terrible complacency creeps into it. An example is The Thick Of It which was dying a death by the last couple of series whereas I feel Veep is in safe hands, because they have a track record of maintaining good shit for 5/6 seasons, without turning shows into self parodic pantomimes.
― xelab, Saturday, 15 March 2014 10:41 (ten years ago) link
it's all been downhill since del boy fell through the bar tbqh
― missingNO, Saturday, 15 March 2014 11:55 (ten years ago) link
trigger warning
― treeship's assailing (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 March 2014 12:30 (ten years ago) link
hahaha
― pandemic, Saturday, 15 March 2014 12:41 (ten years ago) link
tbh the thick of it is as good a shout as i can think of?
― treeship's assailing (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 March 2014 12:54 (ten years ago) link
Maybe the first three series of Peep Show.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 15 March 2014 13:46 (ten years ago) link
I know I'm completely out of touch but I have absolutely no interest in (or intention of) watching some fucking TV show what lasts 10 fucking years and has 38 seasons or 42 series or whatever the terminology is. Life's too short.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Saturday, 15 March 2014 17:04 (ten years ago) link
i don't necessarily disagree, they still piss on anything produced in this country during the same period
― pings can only get wetter (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 15 March 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link
life's too short
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgRs7angW4k70KxNFZEdSh_BEUCt1JSdtAWWBq-kXqnfiCFICW
― post-nodern music player (wins), Saturday, 15 March 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link
Blimey, I forgot that thing even existed.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Saturday, 15 March 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link
McGovern's The Street was very good from memory, never caught the whole thing, might have to remedy that.
― xelab, Saturday, 15 March 2014 17:18 (ten years ago) link
there was an article on slate that was saying "true detective" rips of "red riding".
― everyday sheeple (Michael B), Saturday, 15 March 2014 20:10 (ten years ago) link
I'm much more concerned about the lack of good British animation tbh
― You cannot interrupt his tea stirring because it is his holy trick (imago), Saturday, 15 March 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link
http://www.bolexbrothers.co.uk/
― pings can only get wetter (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 15 March 2014 20:28 (ten years ago) link
An example is The Thick Of It which was dying a death by the last couple of series whereas I feel Veep is in safe hands, because they have a track record of maintaining good shit for 5/6 seasons, without turning shows into self parodic pantomimes.
Thank goodness Veep is being made by completely different writers and producers and directors to the smug complacent pack that made The Thick Of It.
― Charles, hatless (sic), Sunday, 16 March 2014 00:08 (ten years ago) link
[smug]Stopped watching The Thick Of It after that superlative 2-hour double-bill Xmas/NY special because it was pretty damn obvious they weren't gonna top it[/smug]
― You cannot interrupt his tea stirring because it is his holy trick (imago), Sunday, 16 March 2014 00:13 (ten years ago) link
In fairness lj you've hardly to spell out the smug tags by now mayne
― treeship's assailing (darraghmac), Sunday, 16 March 2014 00:30 (ten years ago) link
You are so full of shit, the beeb will have a job for you already.
― xelab, Sunday, 16 March 2014 00:41 (ten years ago) link
that's definitely an unwarranted if perfectly-formed rejoinder. history written by the zingers
― You cannot interrupt his tea stirring because it is his holy trick (imago), Sunday, 16 March 2014 00:49 (ten years ago) link
that superlative 2-hour double-bill Xmas/NY special
btw this is not a thing that exists, and the last series was incredible. anyone who'd deny themselves the glory of frustrated non-Opposition Mannion is an enemy of joy.
― Charles, hatless (sic), Sunday, 16 March 2014 02:08 (ten years ago) link
noodle vague there, proving himself the valuable discourse-encouraging ilxor we all know him to be oh hang on
― NI, Sunday, 16 March 2014 02:42 (ten years ago) link
I thought The Thick of It was entirely good up until the last episode, and slightly suspect anyone who doesn't is a miserable nitpicker.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 16 March 2014 03:16 (ten years ago) link
loved the last series of TTOI
― Simon H., Sunday, 16 March 2014 03:37 (ten years ago) link
in answer to (perfectly reasonable) op: edge of darkness, state of play and i'd prob say the fall, too. different in pace & scale to yer hbo epics but certainly not 'lesser'
― NI, Sunday, 16 March 2014 03:46 (ten years ago) link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v165/noodle_vague/bart-simpson-generator_zpsc16a2928.gif
― pings can only get wetter (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 16 March 2014 09:06 (ten years ago) link
Line of Duty, hmm.
It isn't the Wire. Doesn't need to be. Isn't that sort of thing anyway. More drama than realism. Scope is smaller. Hmm.
To really answer OP's question we probably need to think about this whole 'scope' and 'scale' issue
― cardamon, Sunday, 16 March 2014 12:54 (ten years ago) link
'Socially firewalled' is accurate at least.
― cardamon, Sunday, 16 March 2014 12:55 (ten years ago) link
(Why LoD is not the wire – actor playing Manish doesn't come across as convincingly evil at all, compare and contrast with I dunno anyone on the wire where characters do things that are believable even when they're nailing people up in houses covered in lime - WPC who goes to prison situation is not an accurate depiction of what that would be, more for like, teachers or call centre mangers who feel stressed at work and feel they're being fucked over (and probably are) to look at and 'relate' to – I mean it's still fucking terrifying but ...)
― cardamon, Sunday, 16 March 2014 12:59 (ten years ago) link
idk Breaking Bad was pretty limited in scope. Though I guess it had more episodes than most British shows get.
― I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Sunday, 16 March 2014 13:36 (ten years ago) link
Actually yeah - there's not that many characters in BB
― cardamon, Sunday, 16 March 2014 13:42 (ten years ago) link
Been watching a bit of the US House of Cards and I think the original had a far stronger authorial voice and more cutting humour. Only a few episodes in though (plus I know far more about the mechanics of British politics).
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 17 March 2014 02:32 (ten years ago) link
The UK House of Cards trilogy is utterly fantastic and anyone who hasn't watched it should, by the way.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 17 March 2014 02:34 (ten years ago) link
Will second State of Play, even if the resolution lurches forward out of nowhere (my impression of it, anyway).
― Gibbering Hard Gibberish Soft (Leee), Monday, 17 March 2014 18:11 (ten years ago) link
Live Soccer Saturday
― treeship's assailing (darraghmac), Monday, 17 March 2014 18:39 (ten years ago) link
^ OTM
― ailsa, Monday, 17 March 2014 18:41 (ten years ago) link
red riding?
― eardrum buzz aldrin (NickB), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:05 (ten years ago) link
David peace adaptation
― post-nodern music player (wins), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:16 (ten years ago) link
not sure which the rolling uk tv thread is right now so i'm just posting here but - just watched the 1st ep of happy valley last night. so good!
― just sayin, Friday, 6 June 2014 11:33 (nine years ago) link
I'm up to ep 4, it's incredible. And incredibly brutal.
― nate woolls, Friday, 6 June 2014 11:36 (nine years ago) link
yeah even now it seems pretty grim, not sure if my wife will keep watching
― just sayin, Friday, 6 June 2014 11:40 (nine years ago) link
but so good!
I'll give that a shot. I feel a bit bad sometimes that I pretty much spurn all homegrown TV drama in favour of the yanks (even the Danes get more of a look in).
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 6 June 2014 12:38 (nine years ago) link
One mention of Southcliffe above here and a short thread for it.
I only watched two episodes but I found it quite striking because it was so quiet and had a visual style that was really unusual for tv. Maybe a little bit Tarkovsky-ish? I've never seen another tv show like that, in a way it's just as cinema-like as Walking Dead or Breaking Bad.
There has been quite a few recent offbeat looking British tv shows but I never watched them. Utopia and Babylon I think.
I've never watched I Claudius, The Prisoner, Naked Civil Servent, Alec Guinness version of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy or that old show with Tim Roth as a criminal; but I always hear they are great.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 6 June 2014 15:48 (nine years ago) link
Happy Valley was brilliant. I thought Keeley Hawes and Line of Duty had all the year's plaudits sewn up (rushed ending notwithstanding), but I've had a bit of a rethink of that now.
― ailsa, Friday, 6 June 2014 15:55 (nine years ago) link
so state of play is really fuckin good huh
― nakh is the wintour of our diss content (darraghmac), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 23:59 (nine years ago) link
I liked the Honourable Woman
― Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Thursday, 11 September 2014 03:04 (nine years ago) link
Both of these are good.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 11 September 2014 10:05 (nine years ago) link
Is this the closest thing we have to a general British TV drama thread?
I tried to get one going a (shockingly long) while back but it didn't take -
Rolling UK drama thread - "Paul Abbot, do you have David Simon's number by any chance?"
― chap, Friday, 5 July 2019 09:45 (four years ago) link
No programme that good should be tucked away on a rolling thread.
― Matt DC, Friday, 5 July 2019 10:05 (four years ago) link