The ILC Favourite Characters Of All Time

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Aw, Zompist!

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 20 October 2006 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Maggie also noted her birthday in the New York Times serial this year

occasional mongrel (kit brash), Saturday, 21 October 2006 03:38 (seventeen years ago) link

14. Linus Van Pelt

(154 points)

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Linus's recitation from the Bible in the 1965
Christmas special remains the most moving minute of
television ever. It's hard to know what to add to
that.
(Justyn)

Indeed.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 23 October 2006 10:06 (seventeen years ago) link

By which I mean that like many non-Americans, Peanut's fame is completely mysterious to me. Could anyone give me five words to describe Linus? NB 'piano' is not allowed.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 23 October 2006 10:18 (seventeen years ago) link

*Peanuts'

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 23 October 2006 10:18 (seventeen years ago) link

This non-American discovered Peanuts young, through an uncle's collections. It's been a while, but IIRC the key to Linus is that he's the philosophical, optimistic balance to his dominating, grouchy older sister Lucy and the alternately despairing and unwarrantedly optimistic Charlie Brown. But his contented nature is undercut in the eyes of the readers by the fact that he's the kid who sucks his thumb and carries a security blanket, so how much faith are you going to put in his comforting aphorisms?
Okay, that's more words than you asked for. Pick five you like.

Ray (Ray), Monday, 23 October 2006 10:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I've read Peanuts since I was kid too, but I never found Linus as memorable as Lucy or Snoopy or Charlie Brown. It's been ages since I reread that stuff though.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 23 October 2006 10:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Explaination abouut who or what Linus is = Linus Notes.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I've never read Peanuts.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:46 (seventeen years ago) link

What's that?

(x-post)

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Linus and Lucy were neck and neck in the voting for ages! (Erm this may act as a spoiler for later I guess but come on, you could have guessed she's in it.)

Tom (Groke), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Tom you bastard!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Seriously guys! I think the world might end when we hit the end of this.

FINAL DESTINATION 4

Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 October 2006 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the thread should end on number 2 and then announce a poll for another countdown, like in arabian nights

Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 23 October 2006 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha when we get to #2 I will be willing to recieve cash donations to 'lose' the spreadsheet. YOU'LL SEE.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 23 October 2006 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Is this the poll we never finished? I've completely lost track...

c('°c) (Leee), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link

13. Charlie Brown (Peanuts)

(157 points)

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Charles Schulz once said that he woke up every morning
with an inexplicable feeling of dread. He poured that
feeling into Charlie Brown, a gentle, likable boy who
is, for no obvious reason, scorned by his peers and
plagued by persistent anxiety and loneliness. "I
wonder if I'm dying," he said to himself during a
hospital stay. "I wonder if they'd tell me if I were
dying…Maybe I'm already dead….I wonder if they'd tell
me." There was something strangely abstract and
Kafkaesque about Charlie Brown's troubles: he seemed
to be a decent ball player and a reasonably good
student, but still the 600-to-nothing losses and bad
grades came. Of course, some of Chuck's problems were
more familiar: Surrounded by friends with
all-too-obvious crushes on him (Peppermint Patty,
Marcie, even arguably Lucy), he obsesses over a girl
he can't even bring himself to talk to. At some point
Schulz seemed to back off from this theme, perhaps
feeling he had revealed too much of himself; it's
possible he never intended to show so much in the
first place. But it gave Peanuts more lasting
resonance than (almost) any other comic strip ever
published.
(Justyn Dillingham)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 06:58 (seventeen years ago) link

"Piano" of course is the other one, Schroeder.

Linus is also, at least in the early years, shockingly competent, preternaturally gifted, and completely unaffected by and possibly unaware of that, which foils off Charlie Brown's obsessions over his mediocrity. But, again, he's also the one who believes in the Great Pumpkin.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 07:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, and Lucy still to come.

Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 07:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Doh! Sorry, Schroeder. I actually kind of liked him.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 08:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Is Schroeder named after some composer? In the Finnish translation he's called "Amadeus".

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 09:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Chuck shoulda been #1. But I can take the poetry of him being unlucky #13, I guess.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 11:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Pig Pen is clearly number one.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 11:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Schroeder is obsessed with Beethoven and Liszt; as far as I know he's not named after a composer at all.

All of the Peanuts characters could have swept this poll had we worked together as a team, I think.

Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 12:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Schroeder is named after someone Schulz vaguely knew; he was in the strip for a few years before his piano-playing abilities were revealed.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

first appearance: 30/5/1951
first piano virtuosity: 24/9/1951

occasional schroeder (kit brash), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 02:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Linus, Lucy and Charlie Brown are three of my favorite comics characters ever. I started making a list for a similar poll somewhere or another and gave up when I couldn't pick between them for my #1.

Adrienne Begley (sparklecock), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 02:57 (seventeen years ago) link

My #2 is of course the blonde girl with a cow head from Hepcats

Adrienne Begley (sparklecock), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 02:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Erica!

she looked more horsey to me though.

occasional horse (kit brash), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 07:40 (seventeen years ago) link

12. Doctor Doom (Fantastic Four etc.)

(159 points)

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A great villain for the Fantastic Four, a haughty European lord and master that everyone can enjoy foiling. But possibly not as foiled as often as he is cajoled - as Justyn says below, he's not that far from a hero, and his sense of honor is an easier way to get around him than brute force. See particularly his final (or is it?) exit in the Ultimate universe.

Best villain in the Marvel Universe. Because he might not be a villain. (okay, he is.) (Pete Baran)

One of the weird, recurring, barely-buried themes of
superhero comics is that supervillains are not so very
different from the "heroes" who fight them. And it's
not that hard to imagine a slightly humbled Dr Doom
working alongside the Fantastic Four, since most of
the Marvel characters, bad or good, tended to be
immature egomaniacs. There was something heroic and
tragic in Doom that made Batman's numerous foes seem
like a pack of bumbling eccentrics.
(Justyn Dillingham)

greatest moment: Doom invades Stan and Jack's office and threatens
them with the sight of his naked face.
(Vic Fluro)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 07:41 (seventeen years ago) link

One of my rare childhood Marvel comics must have been a Fantastic Four, because it featured Dr. Doom. I remember very little about it, aside from that it either had NO Spider-Man (who I knew and liked) or very little Spidey (I think I was expecting more Spidey because all Marvel comics of that era had Spidey in the top left indicia corner), and that I found Doom to be far more menacing than Darth Vader even. I remember that there was a sense of hopelessness among the heroes (whoever they might have been) w/r/t to beating Doom.
In my memory, Doom was the focus of the issue, and quite possibly, its terrifying nature is what kept me out of Marvel comics until She-Hulk.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I agree that there is something tragic and heroic about Doom but the great thing about the character is there is ALSO something magnificently preposterous and pompous about Doom, and these things work together rather than pulling the character in two directions. Which isn't to say he's easy to write - lots of good FF writers have ended up with a lacklustre Doom or - worse! - a sentimental one.

One of my favourite Doom stories is Secret Wars, actually, where Doom is the clear standout character by virtue of his intelligence, willpower and determination: as soon as he encounters the Beyonder his every action is focused on trying to get some of his power.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:43 (seventeen years ago) link

For my birthday last year my friend got me a novelty coffee mug shaped like Dr. Doom's head which would be basically my favorite thing on earth if it were only microwave and dishwasher-safe

Adrienne Begley (sparklecock), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Doom would crush you for your laziness.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Doctor Doom!

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:26 (seventeen years ago) link

My favourite ever Doom scene is now the one in awful X-Men miniseries Beauty and the Beast #1 (I think) when Doom is in his Art Room where he surrounds himself with the finest art to show that mankind is worth dominating (or something). Of course it is all absolutely terrible.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:28 (seventeen years ago) link

awesome

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Does he particularly want a goal beyond power? He doesn't have anything like Darkseid's Anti-Life equation - which of course makes it possible to do a great isolationist "Latveria abides alone" version, such as was seen in Black Panther five or six years ago.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Doom's method seems to be:

1. acquire power
2. work out what to do with it. this will probably involve humiliating the accursed Richards.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:02 (seventeen years ago) link

There was an Avengers in which Doom succeeded in taking over the Earth, and things got a whole lot better (as demonstrated by the Commies taking some tanks out of somewhere or other). The Avengers had to go and spoil it all because of freedom and justice and all that rot.

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 11:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, but did he have a dog or a parret?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

11. The Joker (Batman etc.)

(164 points)

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By contrast, you don't know what you're getting with The Joker. Never generally diagnosed beyond 'crazy' (though thankfully no-one that I know of has given him MPD), he tends to range between his two loves - incredibly complicated traps, and just plain killing people. A great combination of the two was his appearance in Gotham Central.

Neither just a comedy crook nor just another psychopath with a fixation (like Clock King or Riddler or whatever), The Joker is best viewed as a sort of R-rated Gremlin. You're not really writing a good Joker story if it isn't made clear that the guy could at any time play hideous mind tricks on random innocent bystanders or kill off one of his own henchmen in some gory fashion for no reason whatsoever; but you're also not doing a good job if he doesn't seem like he could resort to harmless pie-in-the-face or water-squirting flower tricks at any time. It's a very difficult balance of fear and humor to sustain, but when done right it makes The Joker one of the greatest villains of all time. (Daniel Reifferscheid)

Best moment: From Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, when the Phantasm's got him beaten, the whole world (synecdochized as his hideout) burning to hell, the Phantasm's taking him away to who knows what end, and he cackles to his fate. (Leeee)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I want some speculation for the top 10, goddammit.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, Tom already revealed that Lucy's in there. Also: Wolverine, Calvin, Batman, Krazy Kat, Captain Haddock, Galactus, Enid from Ghost World. Which leaves two spots up for speculation. I'd be rather surprised if Batman isn't number one or two.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, I'm not 100% sure Wolverine'll make it, but the other seven surely will.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:35 (seventeen years ago) link

MAGGOT !!!

Mark Co (Markco), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Maggot is in there.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't remember ever really enjoying a Joker story, FWIW. I should read the "Laughing Fish" or whatever it's called.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Tom skewed the Maggot votes.

The Joker is a funny one. Okay, the point is the Joker isn't a funny one. There has never been a sympathetic Joker story I can think of which paints his usual abject lack of humour into a tough corner. More importantly the - ahem - Clown Prince Of Crime is supposedly the opposite of Batman, the light agin the dark, which never really works for me. Why would anyone, ever want to become a Joker Henchman.

(Oddly, this is where Harley Quinn works, she is much more sympathetic, and in the Animated series capriciously bad: of course playing off as just a mere prankster lacks the "horror" of the Joker. But who wants spine shattering horror.)

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 26 October 2006 08:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Maggot is in there.

STOP BEING A SPOILER!

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 26 October 2006 08:41 (seventeen years ago) link


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