OMG I WANT THIS AMAZING RONALDINHO BOTTLE OPENER

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technically it's a sippy cup, not a baby's bottle. I don't really know what else to say.

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6987/yaaaaowkm9.png

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

...how do you define what 'looks like hateful iconography'? besides, a bottle-opener has to be shaped a certain way for it to function as a bottle-opener.

Fine. But I'm not trying to define the best way to make a fucking bottle-opener. I'm explaining why one image seems distasteful while another is not. Yes, you actually have to think harder than: "b-b-b-but this caricature of a black person has big teeth too!" Just some awareness of--some openness to the effects of--history, even if it's (God forbid) someone else's history, is required.

― G00blar, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

biggulp.jpg

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

MATT DC HAS THROROUGHLY PWNED EVERY ARGUMENT ON THIS THREAD, WOW

― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

fucking spaniards

― gff, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

WHATEVER, ASSHOLES, SIPPY CUPS HAVE TO BE SHAPED A CERTAIN WAY!

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I DON'T SEE WHAT THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS, I'VE COME ON ENOUGH TO NOT EVEN NOTICE WHAT COLOR A COCK IS

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

that is not a bottle for actual babies, surely? but for big fat hairy homos who dress up in diapers, right?

― kenan, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

technically it's a sippy cup, not a baby's bottle. I don't really know what else to say.

What more IS there to say???

― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i think we're all pretty much done here

― gff, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

kenan the image you just put in my head is way more disturbing than the sippy cup

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6987/yaaaaowkm9.png

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

holy shit matt!

― G00blar, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

(WHITE) BRITISHERS PURCHASING BOTTLE-OPENING CARICATURE KNICK-KNACKS

How do you know it was purchased by white Britishers? It could be another Brazilian-made piece of iconic memorabilia for all we know.

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

NICKALICIOUS OTM

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Without xpost notifications I think yaaaoowww.jpg is getting better results that I intended.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Spain + race = wtf. This much is known to football fans.

― caek, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

man i'm just glad yaaaaow.png is back

― pretzel walrus, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

or...on the other hand...are the brits trying to defend their original position, rather than their considered opinion

My considered opinion was what I posted in response to Nabisco (albeit 2342423 xposts later). I can see why people would make the connection to the offensive images that and what has kindly posted from his collection but I questioned that there was ever any intent to offend in that way. I also accept that lack of intention doesn't = lack of offense.

I reserve the right to laugh at Ronaldinho if I like and if anyone thinks that makes me racist they can kiss my black balls.

― onimo, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

dude, Brazilians can be racist, too! this isn't about laying blame, its just about calling it like it is!

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

What more IS there to say???

You can't see it in the photo but the slogan on the sides translates as 'once you've had black you'll never go back'.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

now, if that was specifically modelled on the penis of a black man famous throught the world for having a big cock and marketed as such, i wouldn't consider it racist. just really, really inappropriate.

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

do you remember the 'boy' thread? where a british black kid was called boy, and there was cultural gulf over whether that was racist. i thought that was culturally imperialistic, to apply US standards to a non-US country, where to use that phrasing in britain isn't racist.

can we argue that the same is true of the ronaldinho figure? given the past history is gollywogs etc, im much less inclined to get behind that position, than i would be over the term 'boy'

or in other words, is the imagery and iconography of such figures a US thing, or are the racist caricatures commonplace in british history also? given the gollywogs, they probably are?

― 600, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

louis can i ask you what the fuck difference would it make if the thing was made in brazil? newsflash: BRAZIL, TOO, IS A MULTIRACIAL COUNTRY. "BRAZILIAN" IS NOT A RACE.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOW.PNG HERE

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

(Apparently)

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think racist iconography belongs to any one nation, no.

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Gareth you could argue that Gollywogs and similar imagery have been pretty much stamped out in this country. Do you see them anywhere any more? Do you still see the equivalent images much in the US?

Obviously I'm not saying the US is de facto more racist than the UK, but perhaps that UK racism manifests itself in different ways so that images like this don't seem quite as potent?

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

or in other words, is the imagery and iconography of such figures a US thing, or are the racist caricatures commonplace in british history also? given the gollywogs, they probably are?

Known in the UK, but not commonplace enough for it to be the first thing Britons think of, hence this thread.

― caek, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:31 (seventeen years ago) link

look, I'll ACCEPT that you can see the bottle-opener as being SIMILAR to racist caricature, but my point is that it was clearly not DESIGNED to act as such. you've made me (along with a bit of help from myself in unsuccessfully trying to express my views clearly) seem like a complete tit on a thread which ought to have been of little consequence. and now i'm feeling the shame. it fucking stings.

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Depending on where you are, you can still easily find lawn jockeys (hi dere non-metropolitan US).

― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I HAS A NEW USER NAME

― i would just like to point out that i have been otm on this thread, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

agreed. you could make the argument that britain is more racist because it hasnt worked through issues and is still insensitive to them, you could make thte argument it is less racist because it has forgotten about them

im sure both positions are right, in different ways, to different people

― 600, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

WTF IS A "SIPPY CUP" U FUCKEN SICK YANKS

― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Depending on where you are, you can still easily find lawn jockeys (hi dere non-metropolitan US).

HI DERE MERRIMACK VALLEY.

― chicago kevin, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Depending on where you are, you can still easily find lawn jockeys (hi dere non-metropolitan US).

most repainted to be white

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

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I have no idea what is going on but you guys are insane.

― Ed, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

if it was made in Brazil, where Ronaldinho is universally regarded as God, there would have been no question whatsoever of it being a celebration of his gifts. OH ARGH BUT YOU GUYS JUST DON'T FUCKING UNDERSTAND SOCCER so we're back to square one* again.

*soccer-derived terminology

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

How do you know it was purchased by white Britishers?

How about the fact that multiple white Britishers ON THIS THREAD have said they would like to purchase the item?

― jaymc, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

lol Ed and Nick

― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

sippy cup (n) - an imitation black man penis

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Popcorn is mostly cellulose amirite? Are you drinking Russian bathtub vodka?!?!

― i would just like to point out that i have been otm on this thread, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

WHO IS I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I HAVE BEEN OTM ON THIS THREAD???

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

OH ARGH BUT YOU GUYS JUST DON'T FUCKING UNDERSTAND SOCCER

there's a difference between not understanding and not caring.

― chicago kevin, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

[i]Depending on where you are, you can still easily find lawn jockeys (hi dere non-metropolitan US).

most repainted to be white[i]

this should be a powerful metaphor for something, but i'm not sure what.

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost to jaymc: Multiple white Britishers would have liked to have been the first man on the moon, doesn't mean they were.

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link

How do you know they weren't?

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link

i think there is a point that the imagery that this is compared to is american imagery, and many of these things are compared to US history that isnt necessarily taught in other countries, ie many people may be unaware of such things. the gollywogs make this argument more difficult, though i think many young people are now unaware that gollywogs ever existed, seeing as how british cultural memory is about 15 minutes long

i was talking to a south african guy the other day, he didnt know the US had had a civil war.

― 600, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I have been otm. Who am I now? An enigma wrapped in a riddle.

― i would just like to point out that i have been otm on this thread, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

"worked through issues" is probably better wording than "come on enough".

Although I do bathe in warm Manchester United jism every second Tuesday.

― The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

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