the worst part of this was def this kid -https://twitter.com/Babyscummy
the rest - eh
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 20 February 2014 03:46 (ten years ago) link
You can want Frontline online, and you have been able to for a long time now! I used to watch it a lot around the time of the Second Iraq War. Here:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/generation-like/
The whole notion that i should aggressively advertise every aspect of my preferences, opinions, activities, face/body, etc and cultivate a group of people who pay attention to me is so antithetical to the way I've thought for my entire life that it's not exactly surprising that I'm so horrified.
OK Cupid makes me really conflicted for this reason, since it necessitates some degree of capitulation to this way of thinking, and encourages you to consider others this way too. Going to watch this as soon as I get the time!
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 20 February 2014 03:50 (ten years ago) link
er, watch, as well as want.
A few things that stood out to me about Generation Like-every time you 'like' something, you're making somebody money.-the notion that this generation has no idea that they are doing the advertising for companies, that companies plan this in such as way that kids never see that it wasn't their idea. I guess this isn't anything new, but it seems different to me. -no one understood what selling out could mean.
― JacobSanders, Sunday, 23 February 2014 20:11 (ten years ago) link
I loved the sellout thing. I feel like the only period in human history when children (not adults) were invested in the idea of selling out was the 90s. Even in the 90s there were plenty of kids willing to commodify their tastes. The narrative of Little Scumbag neglects to mention that he is part of a tradition of skateboard video clowns. Tyler Oakley could have been on the Mickey Mouse Club. Was it really better when children were being used ... the old fashioned way?
― polyphonic, Sunday, 23 February 2014 20:23 (ten years ago) link
Watching this now (thanks, Roku!) and realizing this generation of kids is pretty much incomprehensible to me.
― Spaghetti Sauce Shampoo (Moodles), Sunday, 23 February 2014 20:50 (ten years ago) link
The girl with braces and the baby scumbag parts were definitely the creepiest for me. Way to celebrate the sexualization of children, Internet.
― Spaghetti Sauce Shampoo (Moodles), Sunday, 23 February 2014 21:22 (ten years ago) link
I dunno...they seem comprehensible to me? Kids want attention and lack the wisdom to choose self-restraint. That's always been the case.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 23 February 2014 21:39 (ten years ago) link
Yeah nothing was shocking to me, just showed me how little involved I am with the internet. I guess it surprises me that people actually become famous by way of youtube, because I've never taken it seriously, I don't think I've ever watched a viral video. I hardly ever use youtube for anything other than occasional music videos. Same with Facebook, which is mostly photos of my daughter. Which is what concerns me about how things are progressing. This will be the world my daughter will grow up involved in, where ads aren't even thought of as ads. I mostly hate ads, companies trying to sell me stuff. I would pay for cable if it had no commercials. I would even pay a lot more for internet service with no ads, that would be a perfect world for me.
― JacobSanders, Sunday, 23 February 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link
that repulsion with advertising/being sold something is the most lingering part of the feeling in the air where/when i grew up. my mom told me in 7th gr that people wear brand names on the outside of their clothing because they're insecure and i have pretty much believed that my entire life. to see brands and brand loyalty (and even personal branding, if i'm going there) become so dominant -- it's just repellent to me, i have no other way to describe my reaction to it.
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Sunday, 23 February 2014 22:20 (ten years ago) link
nah sometimes the shirts look good!
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 23 February 2014 22:25 (ten years ago) link
Bumper stickers bother me, particularly the "My child made 17th place at Bumblebee Elementary School" ilk. But I accept certain kinds of commercialization as inevitable, and it's impossible to draw a line. Clothes with brand names on the outside are repellent but Polo or Dior insignias aren't? If he can wear it well, I tend to give him a pass.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 23 February 2014 22:28 (ten years ago) link
polo and dior are repellant tbf
― death and darkness and other night kinda shit (crüt), Sunday, 23 February 2014 23:00 (ten years ago) link
jacob you can install adblocker on almost any web browser, its simple, fast, and free
― |$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Monday, 24 February 2014 15:44 (ten years ago) link
Ha, I don't use adblocker because I get a perverse thrill out of seeing who advertisers think I am and how absurdly wrong they are.
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Monday, 24 February 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
i can understand that instinct but i get an even bigger thrill out of watching youtube videos whenever i want without waiting 5 seconds to click the "skip" button
― |$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Monday, 24 February 2014 16:32 (ten years ago) link
that's a really good pointi would like to get rid of thatmaybe i don't need that particular annoying pleasure in my life anymore -- it's not like they'll ever get it right anyway
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Monday, 24 February 2014 16:34 (ten years ago) link
i am the same way with terrible people who mysteriously became my facebook friends! i wont ever hide/de-friend them no matter how terrible their posting is
― |$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Monday, 24 February 2014 16:40 (ten years ago) link
oh yeah, facebook is the best place for investment-free people watching.
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Monday, 24 February 2014 16:52 (ten years ago) link
Yeesh that Mini Jackass kid is the monster that this whole "like" economy creates. But at the same time, that kind of sponsorship has been the central goal of skaters/snowboarders/surfers hell, just athletes since the beginning. Plus corporations have been sponsoring (and thus controlling) content since corporations and content first existed so I don't really see this as some kind of new horrible thing (just the same old horrible thing).
Except for the part where huge multi-million dollar corporations are exploiting teens for free labor. That is grosser than gross. Hopefully people will realize eventually that they can't pay off student loans with "sparks" (whatever they are) and things will shift again.
I think the biggest emotion this doc made me feel is relief that I don't give a shit about creating an identity or branding myself and also that I deleted my Facebook page when I did.
― carl agatha, Monday, 24 February 2014 18:34 (ten years ago) link
I also assume that there is an anti-branding/marketing/liking counter culture out there, plus while there was some ethnic diversity among the kids profiled, it definitely focused on a limited socioeconomic sample. I guess I see this more as a look at the way a certain segment of kids operate as opposed to the way things are universally.
Tyler Oakley looks like somebody I know and it's driving me nuts because I can't figure out who it is.
― carl agatha, Monday, 24 February 2014 18:39 (ten years ago) link
i couldn't help thinking how the hunger games girl is gonna feel watching this footage of herself in 5-10 years
i really hope rushkoff does another one of these in 2026.
― |$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 17:48 (ten years ago) link
She may not be devoted to The Hunger Games anymore, but that kind of impulse doesn't go away easily. She'll be wrapped up in something else by 2026.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 17:52 (ten years ago) link
that repulsion with advertising/being sold something is the most lingering part of the feeling in the air where/when i grew up. my mom told me in 7th gr that people wear brand names on the outside of their clothing because they're insecure and i have pretty much believed that my entire life.
I got this line too! Heavily. It's revealing, though, that it convicts obvious, visible advertising, but doesn't address that all choices are products of environment and input. Like, if advertising is bad, and "selling out" is bad, and being swayed by social forces is bad (made to desire products or brands or even desiring of popularity/approval at all), then the ultimate good is "neutrality" or some kind of purity of personal development, as if such a thing is even possible.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 18:28 (ten years ago) link
When I was in the 4th grade I convinced my grandparents to take me to Lufkin where there was a skate shop to buy clothes and a board. When we were driving back my grandpa said, "you know with all of those t shirts you got you're gonna be a walking advertisement for those companies." I didn't fully get what he was saying, but I felt self conscious. It did soured my excitement at finally having cool skate clothes. I don't think I was aware of it at the time, but most of the things my grandpa lectured me about was preparing me for becoming punk rock and anti-corporate.
― JacobSanders, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 19:25 (ten years ago) link
lol with skate brands, I was like, fuck u, I'll happily advertise for Vision in contrast to my Guess-obsessed classmates.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 19:34 (ten years ago) link
grandpa otm.
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 19:45 (ten years ago) link
Advertising gives an identity to people who otherwise would have to go without.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 19:48 (ten years ago) link
I think choosing who to advertise for is a valid choice. Hopefully our choices aren't and will never be ONLY various corporate giants, I mean every time you wear a BAND T-SHIRT you're "advertising"! It's not a better or worse method of identification than any other.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 19:52 (ten years ago) link
wearing band tshirts is kind of embarrassing thoughi still do it on occasion, but the only tshirt with an ad on it that i feel really good about is the shirt for my friend's record store because i love to tell people to go there.
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 19:54 (ten years ago) link
I think about 80% of my clothing is band t-shirts. Always found it to be a fun conversation-starter (or stopper, like the stoner kid who shouted at me on the street, "Hey, Bob Marley sucks!" while I was wearing my Marvin Gaye t-shirt).
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 20:04 (ten years ago) link
xp I thought you would say that. :D
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 20:05 (ten years ago) link
Glad you brought this up - I was about to ask whether/how much daylight people see between wearing a Nike shirt, a FUBU shirt, a Lacoste shirt and a Black Flag shirt.
Of the t-shirts I still wear, about half of them are things I got from participating in charity events - bike rides, blood drives, etc. - and therefore advertising orgs whose values I actually share. The other half are Star Wars because I am a giant fucking nerd.
― bi-polar uncle (its OK-he's dead) (Phil D.), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 20:36 (ten years ago) link
If I were given a choice of not displaying corporate logos on my clothing or anything else I own, I would definitely take it. The practice of putting logos prominently on merchandise is so universal now that I do not have that choice. It has become compulsory. However, I have been known to remove or efface logos.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 20:43 (ten years ago) link
this isn't really all about logos and tshirts though -- brand advertising is only part of it. there's another part of the message that says that you don't exist (or exist *enough*) unless other people recognize you and appreciate you publicly, so you have to put everything out there front and center (your opinions, your preferences, your 'likes', every aspect of your identity, and even your physical self) so people can see it and applaud for you. the idea that i should be advertising myself at all, much less that aggressively (to what end?), is another part of i find off-putting.
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:14 (ten years ago) link
tbh I have zero visible logos on my clothing I'm wearing and am kind of annoyed by the one subtle stitched logo on my jacket
― have a nice blood (mh), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:38 (ten years ago) link
there's another part of the message that says that you don't exist (or exist *enough*) unless other people recognize you and appreciate you publicly, so you have to put everything out there front and center (your opinions, your preferences, your 'likes', every aspect of your identity, and even your physical self) so people can see it and applaud for you.
Yes. This relentless need for public validation is difficult to watch. So is the need to announce what it is about you that makes you "you." Show don't tell, kids. Show don't tell.
I think the need for approval is an integral part of human nature but this is a new way of garnering that approval that is pretty interesting to think about.
― carl agatha, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link
Xp yeah, I agree with that. (I half-jokingly said something on Twitter a couple of weeks ago about "History will mark the moment we stopped talking about people and started talking about 'personal brands' as where it all went wrong.")
― bi-polar uncle (its OK-he's dead) (Phil D.), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 22:56 (ten years ago) link
In other news, SECRETS OF THE VATICAN was extremely grim.
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:08 (ten years ago) link
That sounds like a good one.
― carl agatha, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 16:38 (ten years ago) link
The kids putting together the facegroup profile for their friend had a slumber party makeover feel to it that was kind of heartwarming in an uncanny way.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
― Aimless, Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
shoes are the worst! I have not bought a new pair of athletic shoes (broadly defined) in years and years because they all feature huge motherfucking logos on them.
― espring (amateurist), Thursday, 27 February 2014 00:01 (ten years ago) link
In high school/college, I used to buy black sneakers and blot out any logos/lettering with a magic marker.I was a cool kid.Actually I think I cut the swoosh out a pair of nikes in 9th grade!?
― ruth rendell writing as (askance johnson), Thursday, 27 February 2014 00:10 (ten years ago) link
i saw a cool kid at the art institute on sunday who had a giant DSLR slung over his shoulder and out of habit i looked at the space directly above the lens where it always says CANON or NIKON and he had covered it up with a small strip of black duct tape lol
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Thursday, 27 February 2014 00:15 (ten years ago) link
My television has a little piece of electrical tape because the frame is completely charcoal-colored except for the SAMSUNG right before the screen
I bought my first pair of Nike shoes for the first time since middle school a month ago because they were the best fit for my workout needs, though.
― have a nice blood (mh), Thursday, 27 February 2014 00:28 (ten years ago) link
<3 u my peoplei have done my part most recently by thumbing my nose at all breakfast cereals (esp the ones that advertise weight loss and chocolate to women) and making my own damn cereal 100% shame free and delicious. but tbh, i have always been this way too*! i appreciate that there are kids out there who don't think i'm old/paranoid/crazy.
*today i am wearing a sweater i got at a thrift store in 1990, the beginning of my sophomore year of high school. i have had this old sweater forever! why would i want to buy a new one? get off my lawn!
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Thursday, 27 February 2014 00:47 (ten years ago) link
my MIL bought me a coach handbag, it's not really my style anyway but even if it was i'm too embarrassed to use it in public bc of the stupid label on it.
― just1n3, Thursday, 27 February 2014 00:50 (ten years ago) link
another ilxor once sent me (out of the blue! for no charge!) a vintage leather coach bag which only says "coach" on the strap IIRC and it's scarcely visible. one of the nicest things anyone has done for me!
― espring (amateurist), Thursday, 27 February 2014 01:02 (ten years ago) link
I bought a new (used) Honda Element this year and the first thing I did was remove all the chrome nameplates and ornaments front and back.
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 27 February 2014 01:38 (ten years ago) link
You should just build your own car.
― Jeff, Thursday, 27 February 2014 01:38 (ten years ago) link