What are people's favourite dancehall rhythms of the year or so...

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what i' kinda meant to ocp's statement is that what's good is as good as ever and that i'm still finding this music way better than anything else out ther

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 3 May 2004 12:07 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah the blacker dread grinch did grumble that it was all the big labels' fault. i'm not sure i can imagine how true this might be tho, unless it was rather the little labels deciding to be more business minded and trying to play the hype game after last year instead of just flinging stuff out?

i thought nina sky was lumidee at first! but anyway it's not a millionth as good! it sucks for making me remember 03

prima fassy (mwah), Monday, 3 May 2004 12:10 (nineteen years ago) link

god, sack my typist - put it down to a bank-holiday hangover... hope the above makes sense. yeah, i think that might be the case re the smaller labels. it certainly appears they're sitting on stuff more and longer

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 3 May 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link

i hope its something enchanting like the pressing plants used up all the plastic in jamaica

prima fassy (mwah), Monday, 3 May 2004 12:13 (nineteen years ago) link

or dave kelly lost his favourite bouncy ball

prima fassy (mwah), Monday, 3 May 2004 12:15 (nineteen years ago) link

or or tamagotchis finally caught on and no one cares about music now

prima fassy (mwah), Monday, 3 May 2004 12:17 (nineteen years ago) link

re plastic i don't think that would matter too much, to be honest. mate of mine that i work with is an old don reggae writer and was telling me the other day about them using tyres in pressing plants there. reckons he has a totally unplayable old 7 with grooves and then a big lump of tread on it! there was a story about them doing the same at trax records back in the early, early house days, too. not seen any evidence of either, but don't really care. its a nice story all the same.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 3 May 2004 12:18 (nineteen years ago) link

has to be the tamagotchis

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 3 May 2004 12:18 (nineteen years ago) link

pitch it to the times! you'd be a celebrity by the time anyone in jamaica found out

prima fassy (mwah), Monday, 3 May 2004 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link

you know, on past record of trying to get broadsheets to take dancehall seriously, i reckon i'd have more chance of that going in than something proper, so i'd rather not try - they'd probably go for it.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 3 May 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

i think you're more or less completely wrong, ocp.

Dave I don't think it's a matter of being right or wrong! I never claimed to make any kind of absolute statement as much as I was just saying that I haven't really been feeling the newer stuff (and I think I'm fairly up to date...)

OCP (OCP), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

i did clarify it... i think there's a lot to be happy about and the quality of music is as good as ever, just coming more in dribs and drabs now, that all. but if it's just opinion, then hey, you think what you think

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 3 May 2004 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

this thread isn't even about
dance music (dancehall is kinda like a Jamaican fusion of reggae and rap).

I know why Tim is saying what he is here...and yet I like the odd juxtaposition of these two assertions.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 May 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

mully - e-mail me at davestelfox@yahoo.co.uk and we'll try to work something out... maybe try to find a way to ftp it or something

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Dying Fetus, "Born in Sodom".

WHUT? NOT DANCEHALL?

uh (eetface), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

uh, what? anyway mully, just thought, you'd better head it up so as i know it's you or i'll delete it without opening it

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

just a joke.

now I realize the confusion on the whole Aguilera thread, as when I mentioned dancehall music, I was referring to music that gets played in dance halls or aka clubs...unaware that a genre of the same name (dancehall) already existed.

uh (eetface), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks Dave! message sent.

mullygrubber (gaz), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

The other thing about '03 was that it was the point when a lot of former dilettantes (like myself) started to pay a lot closer attention to dancehall than they had previously, such that you could enjoy, say, Diwali, Egyptian, Fiesta, Coolie Dance and Mad Instruments as if they all came out at roughly the same time, when in fact you're talking about an expanse of maybe two years between Diwali blowing up and Mad Instruments dying down.

From a riddimatic perspective, I think the biggest problem at the moment is that two many of the tunes are slotting into that vague patch between Egyptian and 20 Cent - Tunda Klap, Marmalade, French Vanilla, Thriller etc. these are all really good riddims but their interconnectness takes away something of the out-of-leftfield bizarroness of last year where stuff like Wanted, Mudslide, Coolie Dance, Fiesta, Ching Chong etc. would suddenly appear and take things in a different direction; certainly it was the radical inconsistency (in a positive sense) of dancehall which distinguished it from the other forward thinking groove scenes (crunk, grime). Whereas now I think the scene has almost settled into a post-Don Corleon quasi-Eastern consensus. What makes Chrome and Blackout so memorable is the way they deviate from that, the former with its rusty pipe shoddiness and the latter with those glorious Partytime-style staccato hits.

Like Dave I don't think this is indicative of a falling off though: a huge chunk of the big '01/early '02 tunes fall into a similar patch between Liquid and Martial Arts. Perhaps it was just that late '02 and '03 was a period where the scene was unusually fragmented in terms of knowing where to go next.

(also, as much as I've always applauded it, the DJ-as-fitness-instructor meme seems a bit limited now, which is I suspect why people are getting annoyed at Elephant Man a bit)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow this thread has been the most amazing resource! Thanks to everyone who contributed, this is bookmarked foreva. I keep going back and forth between it and soulseek...wonderful.

djdee2005, Monday, 3 May 2004 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh you stepped in it now, dee. Stelfox is gonna get mad. ;)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 May 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha don't worry! On my 21st birthday next week I return home to Chicago and will spend all my hard earned cash on every bit of this shit I can snatch up! I'm doing preliminary research.

djdee2005, Monday, 3 May 2004 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

phew, i've resurrected the blog and have reviewed every track and rhythm on the 1st cd there. djdee if you cut and paste ir here i will chop your fucking arms off - the link is worldofstelfox.blogspot.com

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 3 May 2004 23:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i am pleased to hear the blog is back

mullygrubber (gaz), Monday, 3 May 2004 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

just kidding re the cutting and pasting thing, btw, but please don't . also re the soulseek thing, to hell with it.... i've downloaded a ton of soca over the past month and will be doing more in the not too distant as i'm broke.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 3 May 2004 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the biggest problem at the moment is that two many of the tunes are slotting into that vague patch between Egyptian and 20 Cent

yeah, nice one Tim. Worried riddim is case in point.
(although I've gotta say I like it. TOK's "Miss Hypie Hypie" in particular.)

OCP (OCP), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link

worried is just dull - it's not an interesting rhythm in any way shape or form. some of the voicings are okay, but it was never going to be that big, because it just lacks something.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Well that's the problem innit - they're often great riddims, but they're not as stunning as they would be if we hadn't heard so many familiar riddims beforehand. It's like dancehall producers have absolutely nailed this particular microstyle and are now waiting until a new paradigm arrives to bust it again. But I'm expecting a lot of the next batch of riddims to fall somewhere between Mad Instruments and Coolie Dance.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post there btw. I've momentarily forgotten whether I've heard/have Worried - which might be telling!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link

BTW there's a list of '04 riddims and versions here - can people in the know (or with slsk) please check out and report back??

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Are there any good soca publications/websites? Socanews seems to fairly worthless and the only way I'm even remotely keeping up is slsk.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm expecting a lot of the next batch of riddims to fall somewhere between Mad Instruments and Coolie Dance.

well, we can live in hope... anyway stop talking about this stuff i need sleep!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Well it strikes me that making riddims is a bit like speculating. I imagine that a lot of these post-Egyptian/20 Cent riddims are the result of producers gambling on the success and longevity of those riddims to apply to their own similar subsequent productions. If I wanted to make a hot riddim right now the huge success of Coolie Dance and Mad Instruments, not to mention the increasing soca crossover, would loom large in my mind.

Plus soca-fusionism generally constitutes the absurd decadent peak of the dancehall=uptempo party music equation that has increasingly defined its last few years. After that there would *have* to be an elastic snap back in another direction.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:53 (nineteen years ago) link

There's quite a lot on realplayer here http://www.paradisevibes.com/Music%20Part%202/Music%20Part%202.htm

you'll also be pleased to know that there afre a few tracks on about three-quarters of the rhythms in that your on limewire, tim

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah Limewire has improved dramatically wrt dancehall lately - suddenly riddims I couldn't find at all last year (Voom Voom, Hindu Storm) are present in abundance, and the new riddims eg. Red Alert, Perilous etc. appear quick smartish as well. It's just a bloody shame I have to visit my parents to download anything.

Now if it can only pick up wrt grime I will be a v. happy man.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link

wtf? i did not type that! it was supposed to read: "you'll also be pleased to know that there are a few tracks on about three-quarters of the rhythms this list you posted on limewire, tim." glad you made sense of it anyway. it's a good thing for sure, bearing in mind my current inland revenue-induced poverty and everything.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 01:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I feel you on the poverty point

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 01:10 (nineteen years ago) link


Yeah Limewire has improved dramatically wrt dancehall lately -


http://www.versiontracker.com/php/search.php?mode=basic&action=search&str=soulseek&plt%5B%5D=macos&jumptoCat=0

OCP (OCP), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 03:30 (nineteen years ago) link


worried is just dull - it's not an interesting rhythm in any way shape or form.

you're pretty antagonistic Dave! it is neither here nor there, agreed. Certainly it's nothing new or innovative but the TOK cut is quite charming in its own way.

OCP (OCP), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 03:37 (nineteen years ago) link

phew, i've resurrected the blog and have reviewed every track and rhythm on the 1st cd there. djdee if you cut and paste ir here i will chop your fucking arms off - the link is worldofstelfox.blogspot.com

Why would I do that?

Anyway, thanks for all the info! Consider yrself bookmarked.

djdee2005, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 07:18 (nineteen years ago) link

good glut of the smaller-older-but-grr-unreleased riddims on that page tim! senseless, rain drops, vegas on karachi, chico on wrought iron i repped b4, all v good. the vegas is top 5 for prima's year so far! vybz, capleton on chronic, vybz/wayne marshall on simm card are pretty enjoyable too in retrospect to what's new now. bah they picked the most boring ones on that drama riddim stream on paradisevibes....

prima fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:47 (nineteen years ago) link

ocp, if i'm being antagonistic it's toward the rhythm, not you - it's boring, that's all. and i was messing around with djdee, he knows what it's about and hopefully took it as lightheartedly as it was intended

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:48 (nineteen years ago) link

sadly the soulseek you posted for macs crashes horribly, it's so unstable it's just not worth bothering with for me, though i do know people who've managed to get it working on pre OS9 systems.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:50 (nineteen years ago) link

woe on dees bot

mullygrubber (gaz), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:51 (nineteen years ago) link

the paradise vibes site's kinda okay if you're stuck with a mac and having to listen to these things via realplayer - also gets love from me for the gratuitous butt pictures. it's one sleeveart trope that never fails to make me laugh.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 09:05 (nineteen years ago) link


sadly the soulseek you posted for macs crashes horribly, it's so unstable it's just not worth bothering with for me, though i do know people who've managed to get it working on pre OS9 systems.

I'm on 9.2 and it runs pretty well... rarely crashes (I often leave it running overnight without any problems) but it does have pretty limited features. How I long to be able to browse other people's files!

OCP (OCP), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 10:25 (nineteen years ago) link

actually, 9.1

OCP (OCP), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:35 (nineteen years ago) link

djdee2005, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

that mr. vegas/irishman track is faaaaaaaaaabulous

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Um Chico's "Wrapped Up" is so gorgeous. Its on the Brush Fire riddim and its so so wonderful. I am so terrible at describing this stuff, but there's this little synth-flute line in the middle of the chorus ahhhhh its so great.

djdee2005, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link


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