ILM Ballot Polls for 2014 and beyond -- order, timing, "I would have voted if I'd known about it," etc

it also occurred to me in a way that the poll format here is a little self-defeating? why not start a thread where people laud 10 or 12 of their personal favourite albums

People hate list threads way more than polls. At least big polls bring (mostly) all the community together. Just look at the amount of people who nominated/still are. Who have never taken part in any of my polls before and many whom have probably not taken part in this thread either.

And IF all time poll is forced to get in the 3 year queue does that mean the half decade poll has to as well? No one has answered that yet.

nobody's "forcing" anybody to do anything, man. the community is establishing the etiquette for this stuff and you can follow it or not, as long as you understand that when you don't, people have opinions.

half decade poll would probably just come at the end of the half-decade just like year-end polls get done at the end of the year, usually the 'timely' stuff like that (or RIP polls for artists who just passed away) takes precedent.

so basically an all-time poll doesn't fit into this thread either then.

voting opens the day after Judgement Day

of course we'll already have God's top 100 by then

lol

Is he bigger than the Beatles though? His son wasn't apparently.

*Beatles disqualified for being bigger than my son

Icon that doesn't display on my cheap phone, I gotta say, I'd be more sympathetic to your poll position (ha) if it weren't for the tone you've struck on this thread, and moreso in the other thread, which can very easily be read as ''gosh, sorry all you lovely people who want to do this poll, but a bunch of meanies and don't want you to have that fun, so I'll be the bigger person and take my toys and go home so that the death panel can decide all our fates. Happy Nominating!'' It reads as this mutant form of passive aggression where somehow the community at large becomes responsible for your choice to not engage with the queue process.

Bringing in end-of-decade/EOY posts is a red herring - those kinds of things have always had precedence in the queue because they only make sense at certain times. It's not remotely clear why ''an all-time poll doesn't fit into this thread'' unless you believe the end of time (EOT) is nigh and that this is therefore the only appropriate time for this poll.

I put Classic Rock in the queue maybe two years ago, I think, and passed it on to some dude a year and a half ago when I started back to school. You could have put ''all albums'' in back then and we wouldn't be having any discussion at all, but what I get from you is the sense that the queue doesn't apply to you and that the polls it organizes don't interest you. If that's the case, just say that and spare us the disingenuous ''poor little ol' me'' posts.

The funny thing is that the queue system has actually given us more and better polls! As noted upthread, people are inspired to sign up partly by the cushion that it's a ways away - and are motivated to stick with the idea in a way that they might not have been before the system. It unquestionably has downsides, for example I think it puts on pressure to have a pretty fast rollout of results, which I think is tough both on poll-runners and readers. But it's so much better than a free for all. If you don't agree, please stake out an alternative.

and look at the tone in the reply when I did ask for something to be put in the queue..

lists w/ explanations &c. infinitely preferable to polls

obviously there's room for both & its good to hear from ppl who feel happier voting in polls & get a senae of the lay of ilxland, but the all-time poll is so byzantine it feels like an absurdist critique of ilx poll culture

yep

"so byzantine" is a fair criticism. but just from scanning the spreadsheet of nominations, i've already preliminarily explored, and added to my itunes "wish list," half-a-dozen albums. that type of discovery is all i'm hoping for through this exercise.

LJ's idea of a v restricted ballot appealed to me tho. Wld enjoy seeing ilxors making a case for ten favs or something in any format

A shame he would need to wait 3 years then

Anyway Im bored of arguing about this so no more on this from me. Polls already off anyway. Classic rock poll is starting soon so invest your energies in that instead of arguing over rules and other shit.

someone w/ coding skills cld create a permanent, fluid ilx top 100/500/1k albums which users cld submit/edit ballots towards to give you an ever-changing manifestation of ilx's collective tastes, tho it wld lack the declarative finality of a roll-out & wld be trickier to feel proprietorial about

this is a good idea ^^^^^^^^^, with something to allow those who've already voted to swap albums in-and-out, but not cast multiple votes.

Yeah that actually feels like an interesting idea

ILX's very own RYM account.

there's this magazine called sight & sound, right, and every 10 years they do a list of the best films OF ALL TIME, it's silly and useful and interesting and pointless and whatever, but they manage to do it despite such an exercise being impossibly "byzantine". Although I'm sure every time it almost gets derailed by some critics going "but we're already doing a feature on the top 10 italian horror movies this year wtf".

Anyway I don't see why this couldn't be something like that, it would be crazy and fun and I'd enjoy reading lists of people's favourite records ever and why they love them. I wouldn't be devastated if it didn't happen, but I hope it does and it does seem like a different kind of thing to the narrower-focus polls. That is my important opinion.

idgif tbh. if it had kicked off parallel to an artist poll it probably would have been nbd but the "classic rock" poll has been coming for a long time and has a similar gonzo hodgepodge vibe (at least in theory).

anyway I'm looking forward to the opportunity to vote for head east and duke jupiter in something

basically Doctor Casino otm on all points. "all albums ever" and "all classic rock hits ever" are too big (and in that sense similar) to run at the same time. a few months between them is reasonable. so, is the classic rock poll happening? (sorry if I missed something)

yeah it is

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/57/57edc1349db42b32d2baf3642ea8f050930186de9387b0a118caa92567ac678d.jpg

lol VG

idgi ._.

bill magill's gonna freak

there was no devo poll?

I honestly thought viceroy had done one. Mustve been a standard ilx poll

POLLing and turning, how can I sleep?: The Roxy Music & Bryan Ferry Results Thread

can i get a spot at the end of the line for a misfits/samhain/danzig poll? or would nobody care about that..?

Grady, can I go out and poll tonight?

Gonna post a new full list with 107/They Might Be Giants/Johnny Fever and gr8080's request, but first I want to check -- Sarahell, were you officially putting yourself on the list for No Wave or just gauging interest? And Van Horn Street, ditto for DFA.

i will volunteer to run DFA instead of danzig if VHS doesn't want to

paging sarahell, also paging some dude (or paging Elvis Telecom if you're too busy)

Actually, if Classic Rock is going to have a lengthy nominations period before voting, Floyd could run concurrently.

I will run the DFA poll.

put me down for misfits/samhain/danzig then!

YES

and you have to title it

Grady, can I go out and poll tonight?

is there any way that Floyd could possibly *not* run concurrently with classic rock?

personal request, idk if anyone else feels the same way but the thought of participating in both at the same time is daunting to say the least

I'm totally cool with there not being a poll in process for a few days until Classic Rock gets off the ground. Go outside. Smell a flower. Kick a ball.

a flower? on feb 21? not here.

smell a melting pile of slush in a corner of the parking lot

smell a freshly roiling floe of dog urine

i'm constantly, like, a day away from being caught up enough w/ my professional writing obligations that i don't feel terribly irresponsible spending some time getting the Classic Rock poll setup, so i mean, it'll happen when it happens. maybe even tomorrow (no, really!). if Elvis Telecom wants to coordinate w/ me so we're not running stuff at the same time, that's fine by me, i can wait or i can get mine done before his.

i don't really care, i'm just pissy because there are no flowers to smell around here for a good long while and i heard "dust in the wind" on the radio yesterday.

yeah, I will run a No Wave poll

OK! That gives us this:

A. Pavement - Johnny Fever (finished)
B. Manic Street Preachers - Jamie_ATP (finished)
C. Blur - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
1. Pet Shop Boys - Billy Dods (finished)
2. Beatles - Mark G (finished)
3. Prince - Jamie_ATP (finished)
4. U2 - Ismael Klata (finished)
5. Beach Boys - iatee (finished)
6. Led Zeppelin - WmC (finished)
7. Timbaland - some dude (finished)
8. Guided By Voices - Johnny Fever (finished)
9. Stevie Wonder - Eric H. (finished)
10. “Producers” - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
11. Pulp - Finefinemusic (finished)
12. James Brown - strongo/Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
13. Jacksons - Jamie_ATP (finished)
14. David Bowie - WmC (finished)
15. Paul Simon - Lamp (finished)
16. Rolling Stones - rogermexico (finished)
17. The Kinks - C. Grisso/McCain (finished)
18. Depeche Mode - crüt (finished)
19. Beastie Boys - Johnny Fever (finished)
20. ABBA - donna rouge (finished)
20B. Bee Gees - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
21. Neil Young - clemenza (finished)
22. Fleetwood Mac - Clarke B. (finished)
23. The Cure - nate woolls (finished)
24. Kate Bush - Ismael Klata (finished)
25. The Who - Tarfumes the Escape Goat (finished)
26. Joni Mitchell - Mordy (finished)
27. The Neptunes - V79/some dude (finished)
28. Saint Etienne - Billy Dods (finished)
29. Hüsker Dü - Pleasant Plains (finished)
30. Bruce Springsteen - Jamie_ATP (finished)
31. Madonna - Johnny Fever (finished)
32. Miles Davis - WmC (finished)
33. The Fall - Mark G (finished)
34. PJ Harvey - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
35. Cocteau Twins - Le Bateau Ivre/LeRooLeRoo (finished)
36. Sonic Youth - ArchCarrier (finished)
37. New Order - Bee OK (finished)
37B. The Doors - Ismael Klata (finished)
38. The Clash - Gukbe (finished)
39. Motown Singles - a hoy hoy (finished)
40. Jay-Z - some dude (finished)
41. Elton John - Johnny Fever (finished)
42. Stax - seandalai (finished)
43. Disco - Tuomas (finished)
44. R. Kelly - Spottie_Ottie_Dope (finished)
45. Tom Waits - chap (finished)
45B. Velvet Underground and Solo Careers (finished)
46. The “Classic Rock” Canon - some dude (COMING SOON)
47. Elvis Costello - kornrulez (finished)
48. Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry - charlie h (finished)
49. Pink Floyd - Elvis Telecom
50. Steely Dan - Bee OK
51. Bob Dylan - tipsy mothra
52. Sleater-Kinney + offshoots - C.Grisso/McCain
53. Outkast - The Reverend
54. Autechre - Leee
55. Brian Eno - WmC
56. Chic Organization - Donna Rouge
57. Spaceman 3 (& descendants) - Elvis Telecom
58. Radiohead - nate woolls
59. Yo La Tengo/Dump - clemenza
60. P-Funk - Shakey Mo Collier
61. Stooges/Iggy Pop - flopson
62. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK
63. XTC - Shakey Mo Collier
64. Italo - daavid
65. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy
66. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt
67. “Epics” (non-classical division) - Leee
68. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life
69. Extreme Metal - Viceroy
70. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe
71. Pixies - Johnny Fever
72. Metallica - Pleasant Plains
73. Spoon - Bee OK
74. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds
75. Fairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy Dods
76. Queen - charlie h
77. Dinosaur Jr. - Z S
78. Tom Petty - rogermexico
79. Ramones - tipsy mothra
80. Jimi Hendrix - WmC
81. Sightings - Raymond Cummings
82. John Coltrane - Tarfumes the Escape Goat
83. Stereolab - Moka
84. Bauhaus/Tones on Tail-Love and Rockets/Peter Murphy - Bee OK
85. Genesis + solo - NickB
86. The Smiths - nate woolls
87. Pearl Jam - VegemiteGrrl
88. The Burt Bacharach songbook - WilliamC
89. Dead C - Raymond Cummings
90. Royal Trux + side projects - Drugs A. Money
91. John Fahey - Naive Teen Idol?
92. Rush - Matt #2
93. Oasis - darraghmac
94. George Michael - Ismael Klata
95. Talking Heads - Bee OK
96. Gamble & Huff/Philly International Records - jetfan
97. Van Halen - Johnny Fever
98. Billy Joel - Doctor Casino
99. Low - aldo
100. Nine Inch Nails - chap
101. REM - rogermexico.
102. Bjork - Eric H.
103. Wu-Tang Clan - ― Spottie
104. Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs)
105. Covers - kornrulez6969
106. New Pornographers/AC Newman - staggerlee
107. They Might Be Giants - Johnny Fever
108. No Wave - sarahell
109. DFA - Van Horn Street
110. Misfits/Samhain/Danzig - gr8080