Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

Hm, okay, I get what you're saying - he didn't provide the right evidence, it kind of scuppers his argument. But personally I've seen stuff that backs up his claim... But yeah, I can't be arsed to look for it myself now, and he should have done the work anyway, not me.

Robert Yang Fartmaster • a day ago −
Hey "fartmaster" -- almost every mainstream outlet has made a point of announcing Nguyen as Vietnamese. I don't think that, itself, is bad, because I'd agree that's newsworthy given the state of the mobile market... yet it certainly plays a role... like whether you think he's just expressing his love of Mario (what, so your fandom of Mario is more genuine than his?) vs. he's somehow now a conniving thief who's claiming he invented the idea of pixel art pipes that he drew himself?

like what is even the argument here? that ppl are being racist against the vietnamese designer homaging a japanese video game icon by relying on the old shopworn vietnamese are thieves (?????is this a thing????) stereotype?

i noticed more than a few articles that announced his "theft" of assets as a settled, done deal, with tons of angry comments about it, which was just BS

it's a good time to hate on the Asian man

i wonder if this is more due to the fact that there's a sort of concept of the non-Japanese-east that is all pirate-y and stuff -- if this game was made by someone from north america, or europe, or even japan, it wouldn't be stealing -- it'd be "reference" or "homage" or something. but since he's from some place where they steal software and there's no "tacit knowledge" of the "relevance" of "video game" """history""" there it must be theft?

idk i have a terrible head cold and that might not make any sense but :( @ ppl picking THAT particular nit, wtf, seriously.

i'd be interested to see if there was some precedent for this in western writing about eastern music, ie. "(person from asia) ripped off this part of this song" in the same breath as "(person from USA) sampled this song"

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/21/female-journalist-gets-rape-threats-over-comic-book-criticism.html

This is from the world of comic books, but this seems to be the most relevant thread to this topic. Dunno if it needs a parallel one on ilc.

Because it was created by a straight white male, this checklist will likely be taken more seriously than if it had been written by virtually any female gamer.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/4/23/5640678/playing-with-privilege-the-invisible-benefits-of-gaming-while-male

I like this relevant Cracked podcast ep, as Jason Pargin begins to peck away at defining the problem:

http://www.earwolf.com/episode/shockingly-sexist-messages-in-the-modern-world/

porting the invisible knapsack to consoles

http://www.wired.com/2014/05/fighting-online-harassment/

iot found that persistently negative players were only responsible for roughly 13 percent of the game’s bad behavior. The other 87 percent was coming from players whose presence, most of the time, seemed to be generally inoffensive or even positive. These gamers were lashing out only occasionally, in isolated incidents—but their outbursts often snowballed through the community. Banning the worst trolls wouldn’t be enough to clean up League of Legends, Riot’s player behavior team realized. Nothing less than community-wide reforms could succeed.

interesting

http://i.imgur.com/1KdE2r4.png

France.

Seriously??

what am i looking at here

oh igi. well, let's hope that was randomly generated, then --

http://www.craveonline.com/gaming/articles/700065-awful-trayvon-martin-reference-found-in-watch-dogs?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=awful-trayvon-martin-reference-found-in-watch-dogs

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/07/04/hearthstone-tournament-no-women-changes/

http://www.gamerheadlines.com/2014/08/kotaku-and-zoe-quinn-accused-of-exchanging-positive-press-for-sex/

Yikes!

*rmde*

Voice your comments below, but please, please keep it civil and free from personal attacks.

I mean is this just something that gets tacked to the end of everything written for this site, because it's completely against the gleeful "just desserts" vibe of the rest of the text

i wasted 10 minutes of my breathing life scrolling through this dude's operatic 4 part tumblr post and didn't see anything about trading good press for sex? are they just inventing that out of the 'she had sex with a games writer' accusation or did i miss it?

no it's in there - but i don't think he accuses her of doing it for favors.

anyway, o_O at this thing. honestly i feel pretty bad for this dude. he got gaslit pretty bad.

on a scale of not-very-likely to utter horseshit this seems like utter horseshit

just checked that developer's twitter feed and she seems to have undergone/is undergoing a barrage of harassment from 4chan shitboys. i'll assume this blog post ref'ing a tumblr is trash

there's no mention of this on kotaku?

"If you’re not a huge fan of Kotaku or the infamous social justice warrior / indie developer Zoe Quinn, you’re in for a treat."

grossest sentence

http://ohdeargodbees.tumblr.com/post/95188657119/once-again-i-will-not-negotiate-with-terrorists
basically, looks like the internet took the side of a douchebag ex-boyfriend in humiliating and degrading this woman, to no one's surprise

i think as a rule that private relationships should be kept private and i don't think - whatever she did - that it deserved whatever kind of heat she's now getting from the psychopaths on 4chan. still, i find the guy's narrative very believable + sympathetic, and i can understand if he really went through that why he'd want to hurt her publicly. i still think trying to do so is a shitty thing to do, and appropriate for this thread.

cheating is bad and ugly breakups are bad but airing out your dirty laundry on the internet is fucking bitchmade and siccing the cheetoh-dust army on your ex who works in technology is evil

yes, i agree. ppl are shit.

He's scum for taking it public. End of story.

trading good press for sex?

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:36 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think he accuses her of doing it for favors.

― Mordy, Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:42 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok soooo--if he *doesn't* accuse her of doing it for favors, the writers are inventing the quid pro quo? which isn't, say, airing your ex girlfriend's sexual history in a giant tumblr post and blasting it at 4chan knowing they'll spew horror at her level of crazy irresponsible and shitty and misgynistic, but is pretty irresponsible and shitty and misogynistic?

yeah when you have been wronged & lied to there's a strong impluse to LET THE WORLD KNOW but damn if some shame wouldn't be a perverse help to this guy right now. what is it with nerds and total disclosure these days? the "hypocrisy" of the normals has its uses, guys...

xp yeah i agree, i wasn't speaking against your post Mordy

my basic takeaway is that most people involved in videogames should be set on fire, which is too bad because I really enjoy videogames and I think the screaming would keep me up at night

GameBurner 2014 - The Baconing

RIP upper m m s

Xp

a lot of ppl are upset bc in general the gaming media is horrible and it seems like a journalist gave a designer good publicity without disclosing that they were in a relationship. while i agree that the cheating + the lying + the gaslighting are probably not in the public interest, i can understand why ppl already enflamed about compromised journalistic standards would take interest in this story.

like i'm sure they didn't trade sexual favors for good coverage. the good coverage was pretty minimal and that seems unnecessarily vulgar. but i wasn't allowed to review books written by ppl i had once taken classes w/ in college years prior bc of the conflict of interest. otoh there seem to be far worse stuff going on in gaming media, like blatant payola for coverage stuff.

cheating is bad and ugly breakups are bad but airing out your dirty laundry on the internet is fucking bitchmade and siccing the cheetoh-dust army on your ex who works in technology is evil

― goole, Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:59 PM (51 minutes ago)

^^^

can we not call it bitchmade tho like

if she wasn't actually swapping sex for good reviews how are the original blog/this woeful gamerheadlines piece not slander or libellous? and either way, these pieces are just absolutely disgusting. her riposte is very strong and stirring, and she's right - she shouldn't have to defend any of this stuff in public.

Xp: can we also not be down on people who eat cheeto dust, while we're at it?

Yeah, actually, my eyes elided over 'bitchmade', probably because I have no idea what it means? Is it a US thing or am I just behind on my internet slang? Obv anything with 'bitch' is going to be at least a little problematic.

Anyway, the general thrust of goole's post is still OTM.

also

Among them was current Kotaku writer Nathan Grayson, apparently solicitating sexual favours for positive press.

so solicitating is a word now?

also

leveraging her sexual connections

this guy's whole take on sex and women is unsurprisingly weird and awkward and how you might expect an extra terrestrial to discuss human behaviour when viewed from afar

also

https://thezoepost.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/screen-shot-2014-08-19-at-7-07-56-pm.png

is astonishingly asinine and self-serving bullshit

did i ever talk about how i went to my brother's convocation from college (diff in Canada, college != university, actually not 100% sure of the american analogue to this -- technical college? junior college? you can take anything from a 6mo bartending course to a 4y PR course) in this thread?

he convocated (sry not a word) with the entire media division of his school, he was in radio but i also saw the kids go up for tv, PR, advertising, etc etc etc including game design. as someone working in that field my heart was mildly warmed to see the bright new faces of the industry get their diploma-certificate-things. i was significantly less warmed to see more fedoras worn with gowns (2) than women (0). :( always reminded that the overwhelming sameness of the people working in the industry doesn't just start at the corporate level, it starts super super low. i was hoping, i guess?, that at the age newly graduating, the gap would be decreasing -- after all, everyone, not just boys of families with means, have had computers and internet from... almost birth at this point! and yet, something is still happening where the culture even at the education level is still homogenized. i dont get why the priv sector doesn't see this as a problem. of course tho investing in scholarships and grants for women would be seen as an attack on MENS RIGHTS or something idk. the whole thing BUMS ME OUT. :(