lol no what i was referring to allen vehemently denying having ever been in the attic or even aware the attic existed, the da finding hairs that matched his dna, and then allen going 'o that attic'
― balls, Saturday, 8 February 2014 22:52 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, that's the DA's version of events. We don't have a transcript.
― Three Word Username, Saturday, 8 February 2014 23:18 (ten years ago) link
IIRC in Woody's own recent letter, he himself admits he'd gone into the attic-- just very rarely and reluctantly (claustrophobic that he is)-- when/ because one of the children wanted to show him something.
Dylan's most recent response to WA's letter: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dylan-farrow-responds-woody-allen-678552
I'm reminded of the Danish film, The Celebration (hope this isn't too inappropriate, comparing real people's real life painful shit to a movie).
Ronan's Golden Globes tweet and Dylan's letters (during this Hollywood awards season) and some of the public reaction to them ~ Son 'disrupting/ spoiling' Dad's big 60th birthday party.
― drash, Saturday, 8 February 2014 23:36 (ten years ago) link
the custody suit pdf is pretty damning, nothing else I've seen has gone into quite that detail.
― akm, Saturday, 8 February 2014 23:42 (ten years ago) link
http://excrementalvirtue.com/2014/02/08/brainwashing-woody/
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 9 February 2014 00:04 (ten years ago) link
Q. Did you talk to your analyst about how this would affect a child?
A. It wasn’t so complex. It doesn’t have that quality to it that you think.
Q. What about how it would affect her siblings?
A. These people are a collection of kids, they are not blood sisters or anything.
wonder how the kids woody and soon-yi have adopted together would feel about this.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 9 February 2014 00:27 (ten years ago) link
Ugh articles psychoanalyzing Woody and Soon Yi. Full circle to 92.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 9 February 2014 01:01 (ten years ago) link
i just want to say that woody's op-ed in the NYT is the first thing I've read that nearly convinces me of his guilt
there are so many half-truths, incredible elisions, complete failure to recognize that anything he might have done (EVER) could have hurt anyone, a lack of feeling, obsessive vindictiveness toward mia farrow (which, even if he comes by it honestly, should not have been the main subject of any op-ed by a emotionally mature person)
maybe all this tells is something we already know: woody is a moral adolescent and a total narcissist
maybe he just "remembers things differently"
but while I'll never have the certainty that some other folks seem to have achieved, the letter convinced me he is fundamentally dishonest
― espring (amateurist), Monday, 10 February 2014 01:16 (ten years ago) link
Maureen Orth responds: http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 February 2014 01:20 (ten years ago) link
did you see the joyce carol oates tweet
― flopson, Monday, 10 February 2014 01:41 (ten years ago) link
it's basically the worst thing in the world https://twitter.com/JoyceCarolOates/status/432162254406955008
― flopson, Monday, 10 February 2014 01:42 (ten years ago) link
Lol what a dope.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 February 2014 01:47 (ten years ago) link
don't worry. i've responded to some of her tweets about nabokov.
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Monday, 10 February 2014 01:48 (ten years ago) link
one and only time i've seen joyce carol oates in person was at a screening of midnight in paris.
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Monday, 10 February 2014 01:49 (ten years ago) link
"woody is a moral adolescent and a total narcissist"
1) I think anyone who has seen a Woody Allen movie would probably not be surprised by this assessment.2) I'm pretty sure most (or at least many) celebrities are both as well and I'm not sure it's relevant to the question of whether or not he's also a pedophile (except insofar as I guess it could explain why someone would go to a house filled with children and nannies and god knows who else and think that they could molest a seven year old and get away with it).
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 February 2014 01:53 (ten years ago) link
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship),
her first time at a movie since The Best Years of Our Lives
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 February 2014 01:54 (ten years ago) link
With JCO and Stephen King tweeting terrible shit because of all this, it's only a matter of time until Margaret Atwood fucks up as well.
― Murgatroid, Monday, 10 February 2014 02:00 (ten years ago) link
lol
Glenn Kenny @Glenn__Kenny Feb 8
@JoyceCarolOates Actually, they'll be coming after Nabokov and his work by spring I reckon
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 February 2014 02:03 (ten years ago) link
JCO, Stephen King, Woody Allen, Tom Perkins, et al=basically rich/famous people how have no idea how complete unhinged they sound to most people when they open their mouths.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 February 2014 02:03 (ten years ago) link
first they came for the child molestors
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Monday, 10 February 2014 02:06 (ten years ago) link
Who the fuck reads Joyce Carol Oates anyway? I've been forced to read her a bunch of times in classes but I've never heard of anyone reading her voluntarily.
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Monday, 10 February 2014 02:07 (ten years ago) link
In the time it took you to type The New Yorker accepted a short story and she scribbled several Petrachan sonnets.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 February 2014 02:08 (ten years ago) link
i've known some jco fans in my day xp
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Monday, 10 February 2014 02:12 (ten years ago) link
i think my ex-gf claimed to have read all of her novels but that might be impossible
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Monday, 10 February 2014 02:13 (ten years ago) link
jco in heavy damage-control/let-me-explain mode since tweeting that btw.
― joe perry has been dead for years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 10 February 2014 02:28 (ten years ago) link
Andrea Pitzer @andreapitzer Feb 8
.@JoyceCarolOates I'm not weighing in on Allen, but why is Lolita relevant here? No one ever accused Nabokov of abusing a child in real life
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 February 2014 02:32 (ten years ago) link
Ugh, the Nabokov analogy is despicable, repellent, and just plain moronic. All the stupidity she's projecting on others (e.g. the philistine's conflation of life and art), shines so brightly in that tweet.
Yeah, I'm sure Ronan and Dylan and those who believe them are just prudishly moralistically going after Woody Allen's ART. That's why they're upset: Woody Allen's movies.Or is she saying that to create the character of Humbert and Humbert and to be Humbert Humbert is morally equivalent?
My god, can she really be saying that? Yeah, sure, go with that, Joyce.
― drash, Monday, 10 February 2014 02:41 (ten years ago) link
Two things I have learned from this controversy:
1) A lot of people have no fucking clue about child molestation and child molestors and have some really ridiculous ideas about them and2) A lot of people are completely incapable of following a statement to its logical conclusion and just blurt it out anyway
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Monday, 10 February 2014 03:03 (ten years ago) link
I kind of like how the tweet ends with "No contradiction?" like she might actually have an inkling that it's a stupid thing to say and is asking if it makes any sense
― scott c-word (some dude), Monday, 10 February 2014 03:19 (ten years ago) link
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:53 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
did you read my post? i already suggested that (a) we knew this already and (b) this would fall short of convincing anyone that he was a child molester. so basically you are presenting a critique that already framed that phrase in my post.
reading competency LOL
― espring (amateurist), Monday, 10 February 2014 03:55 (ten years ago) link
― espring (amateurist), Monday, 10 February 2014 03:56 (ten years ago) link
I love Joyce Carol Oates's writing (much of the time), but I wonder if she's not (1) senile or (2) a total fucking idiot.
― espring (amateurist), Monday, 10 February 2014 03:57 (ten years ago) link
a lot of great artists are total fucking idiots and/or infantile narcissists.
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Monday, 10 February 2014 04:03 (ten years ago) link
It's like one of the themes of this thread or something.
― Murgatroid, Monday, 10 February 2014 04:05 (ten years ago) link
yeah but oates's writing seldom strikes me as narcissistic and foolish as, say, a certain woody allen's does
i'm surprised is all
― espring (amateurist), Monday, 10 February 2014 04:08 (ten years ago) link
i've heard rumors that she doesn't edit her tweets
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Monday, 10 February 2014 04:09 (ten years ago) link
― espring (amateurist)
or (3) thinks artists get a pass for their behavior, no matter how despicable.
― nickn, Monday, 10 February 2014 04:24 (ten years ago) link
Not too much of a surprise from her writing, as far as empathizing with transgressive folks.
― That's So (Eazy), Monday, 10 February 2014 04:27 (ten years ago) link
also given that she's a writer can she not imagine people appreciating lolita as literature and not identifying or excusing humbert humbert?
she's displating a level of literary savvy i would usually attribute to book-burning fundies
― espring (amateurist), Monday, 10 February 2014 04:34 (ten years ago) link
displaying
― scott seward, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 15:06 (ten years ago) link
seldom strikes me as narcissistic and foolish as, say, a certain woody allen's does
ooh which one?
― (D1CK$) (sic), Tuesday, 11 February 2014 23:03 (ten years ago) link
that was a great link, scott, thank you for posting it.
― reddening, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 23:10 (ten years ago) link
2nded
― espring (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 00:39 (ten years ago) link
Was great, and posted earlier.
http://excrementalvirtue.com/2014/02/08/brainwashing-woody/― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, February 8, 2014 4:04 PM
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, February 8, 2014 4:04 PM
― nickn, Wednesday, 12 February 2014 00:41 (ten years ago) link
ya nice try scott
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 15:50 (ten years ago) link
it should be posted a million times! it's great read it everyone!
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 16:05 (ten years ago) link
http://gawker.com/woody-allen-is-not-a-monster-he-is-a-person-like-my-f-1518291644
― Mordy , Wednesday, 12 February 2014 16:20 (ten years ago) link
Most of us would sooner discard all parties who have been tainted by this event than we would look at how tenuous the sanctity of children really is, how commonplace abuse is, or see the capacity for the mostly good to do periodic evil. We live in the same universe as those who abuse kids. We walk among them. If we want to end the sexual abuse of children, it will begin with the recognition that we are simply not that different from them.
I think this is true - certainly up until the last line. It's probably a safe bet to say that we are all capable of dark things that we do not expect of ourselves, but with some things I feel such revulsion for the acts that I can't recognize that I am "not that different from them." Not just re abuse of children - was that officer in Syria who ate a human heart really not so different from you and me? It feels like they are - some distant expression of a humanity that most of us have left behind to history. But of course the capacity for evil lives within every individual. Still, I don't feel like I've chosen not to eat hearts, or commit genocide, or abuse a child. It feels like something beyond the pale.
― Mordy , Wednesday, 12 February 2014 16:24 (ten years ago) link
If Woody Allen is now written into history as a monstrous child molester, child abuse is more likely to continue. Because if we are unable to stomach the fact that Woody is not a monster but a human being who did something monstrous, we will continue to stoke the fires of archetype, perpetuating the notion of the picture-perfect pedophile, the one whose evil shines through like a 100-watt black lightbulb.
Is this what's happening on a large scale? I don't see it.
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 16:25 (ten years ago) link