Mia Farrow's son -- Ronan Seamus Farrow -- really creeps me out!

LAW & ORDER: ILX

i have thought about all that and it seems to me it's too dumb and crazy for farrow to come up with but not for someone who wants farrow to seem dumb and crazy. xp to hurting

80-year-old man who doesn't know what twitter is and still writes on a typewriter: definitely very interested in influencing people via wikipedia

nelkin's quote that allen refers to, from piers morgan

"They asked if I would testify and admit that I was 15 when we dated, and I said 'no,' because I was not 15. I was 17, 18 and 19, and to me there's a big distinction between that, and I think they were looking for the fact that, you know, 15 is jail bait. Seventeen is a very different story," said Nelkin, who first met Allen on the set of the film “Manhattan." "I would not go along with that, so I think she was trying to create a pattern of, this is a man who looks for young girls and seduces them unwittingly and that's not true. I was very, very much willing to be dating him, I was thrilled."

Man, the Seventies.

Have we got this all resolved yet

Even if he is not Frank’s, the possibility she raises that he could be, indicates she was secretly intimate with him during our years. Not to mention all the money I paid for child support. Was I supporting Frank’s son? Again, I want to call attention to the integrity and honesty of a person who conducts her life like that.

lol @ the gall for him to actually say this when he had an affair with her daughter.

80-year-old man who doesn't know what twitter is and still writes on a typewriter: definitely very interested in influencing people via wikipedia

― scott c-word (some dude), Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:05 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

which is why i said 'i even wondered if someone had edited her entry on his behalf', 'even wondered' suggests it's a stretch, 'someone...on his behalf' means not him doing it directly.

i'm not hugely invested in this and don't expect others to be but it's interesting to me since i had thought about it and then he went and devoted a full paragraph to it in his statement.

"undoubtedly."

"One must ask"

I love Dory Previn's songs, but wasn't "Lemon Haired Ladies" about her too?

now that i think about it, every single mia farrow performance was just a series of dory previn songs

none of this is real

we are all just dory's playthings

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E5mF6HMOmHc/TzyMxyER4pI/AAAAAAAABRg/XHmXjbBWKV4/s320/1980DoryPrevin02PA150212.jpg

just remembered that the dad-flirting charlotte rampling character in stardust memories is called dory

he is an incorrigible intertextualist.

he is an incorrigible intertextualist.

Heh. Which goes to support your theory: it shows he's the one who has "Dory-with-the-incest-fantasy" on his mind, in his art, back in 1980, long before Dylan was even born.

Rafafacht

Re the discussion upthread on Bergman influence/ imitation, yeah it's pretty serious and pervasive.

Some examples not yet mentioned: there's plenty of "Scenes from a Marriage" in "Husbands and Wives" (And SFAM starts off with the couple being interviewed by a reporter, which no doubt inspired one of the interesting formal aspects to H&W, the character interviews.) And whole scenes/ chunks of dialogue in his movies are lifted from Bergman; among the most striking in "Another Woman" (homage to, but in some spots exactly mirroring, "Wild Strawberries").

Any other filmmakers, considered "great" by many, who are so blatant/ flagrant (and so frequent) in their "homage" to a specific filmmaker or two (Bergman & Fellini)-- modelling entire movies after their predecessor's movies? It's different from homage to/ playing with a genre/ genres (e.g. French New Wave riffing on American genre films). OK, two come to mind: Fassbinder-Sirk and De Palma-Hitchcock.

Sorry for going off on this tangent in this thread (Morbius is probably right, should split off film discussion from the topic here.)

PS He also takes after Bergman in the entanglement of art and life (or film and biography), e.g. having (current and/or ex) lovers and/or wives starring in the films.

Jesus, when the thread sticks to films it's just as maddening

it's not impossible that someone with a penchant for staging scenes and who was familiar with the song might choose the attic venue with the intention of later using the lyrics to create obfuscation to defend himself.

?!?!?!?!

he said she said listeners go insane

We are now reading the reports of DAs as if they were the objective truth?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfvDs2O1CTI&feature=kp

Shorter Allen:

1) I never got caught doing this before or after.

2) I don't like confined spaces.

3) Some people thought I didn't do it at the time.

4) Mia Farrow is crazy who knows what she's capable of.

5) Moses doesn't like her either (also he's a family therapist!)

Encountered my first Woody truther on my fb feed today :(

oh, "truther," goodbye and all of you get in therapy, you deserve that waste of time

twu is it yr opinion that the da planted allen's dna in the attic?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dylan-farrow-responds-woody-allen-678552

This thing is really a train wreck.

Trying to decide at the end of the day whether or not I'm going to let this inhibit my enjoyment of or prevent my watching Woody Allen films. Part of me feels like it should, but another part is like "fuck this is some crazy bullshit and I've paid for Emperor/James Brown/Dissection records and those people were actually convicted of pretty gross crimes."

having now seen fading gigolo trailer no

Jesus, when the thread sticks to films it's just as maddening

If I said something stupid, wouldn't be the first time and won't be the last.

the thing about the op-ed is it reads almost exactly, point for point, like a draft of the weide piece

http://www.vanityfair.com/dam/2014/02/woody-allen-1992-custody-suit.pdf

Re the discussion upthread on Bergman influence/ imitation, yeah it's pretty serious and pervasive.

Some examples not yet mentioned: there's plenty of "Scenes from a Marriage" in "Husbands and Wives" (And SFAM starts off with the couple being interviewed by a reporter, which no doubt inspired one of the interesting formal aspects to H&W, the character interviews.) And whole scenes/ chunks of dialogue in his movies are lifted from Bergman; among the most striking in "Another Woman" (homage to, but in some spots exactly mirroring, "Wild Strawberries").

Any other filmmakers, considered "great" by many, who are so blatant/ flagrant (and so frequent) in their "homage" to a specific filmmaker or two (Bergman & Fellini)-- modelling entire movies after their predecessor's movies? It's different from homage to/ playing with a genre/ genres (e.g. French New Wave riffing on American genre films). OK, two come to mind: Fassbinder-Sirk and De Palma-Hitchcock.

Sorry for going off on this tangent in this thread (Morbius is probably right, should split off film discussion from the topic here.)

― drash, Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:56 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Rosenbaum touches on this in Notes Toward the Devaluation of Woody Allen:

Most often these borrowings, when they’re noticed, are rationalized in the press as “homages”; yet arguably they reveal the same sort of aesthetic immaturity that a beginning writer shows by imitating, say, Hemingway or Faulkner. Imitation can be a sincere form of flattery, and there’s no doubting the sincerity of Allen’s Bergman and Fellini worship. But beyond a certain point there’s a question of whether this kind of emulation is being used as a tool for fresh discoveries or as an expedient substitute for such discoveries — a shield labeled “Art” that’s intended to intimidate nonbelievers.

Thanks for the Rosenbaum quote; I think I agree. Re my other examples, they're not really analogous-- Fassbinder's Sirkianism seems a very different thing; even De Palma's shameless Hitchcock imitation is different, somehow (though it's closer).

Taking "imitation" in the old-fashioned Renaissance sense of the word (imitatio)-- conceiving of all art, all creative art, as a practice of imitation-- the thing about Woody Allen's Bergmanism is that the chunks of Bergman in WA often seem so... undigested, somehow. Appropriated but not transmuted into something really his own, original. And yes, in that way, seem indicative of aesthetic immaturity. (And it's not like it works as postmodern, either... or does it.)

I don't think he's ever really seen himself as anything more than a poor imitator of Bergman tbh

On topic of the thread, find I believe Dylan more than WA. But as an erstwhile WA fan, still in psychological denegation about the implications of that. Ugh, shudder.

"twu is it yr opinion that the da planted allen's dna in the attic?"

No. It is my opinion that a DA saying the DNA was found there 1. doesn't make it so and 2. we are talking about 1992, a time when DNA evidence was way more problematic than it is today (and it's not unproblematic today). Would have answered this earlier but I just spent most of my evening at the police station, my partner and I having become crime victims. Yay!

lol no what i was referring to allen vehemently denying having ever been in the attic or even aware the attic existed, the da finding hairs that matched his dna, and then allen going 'o that attic'

Yeah, that's the DA's version of events. We don't have a transcript.

IIRC in Woody's own recent letter, he himself admits he'd gone into the attic-- just very rarely and reluctantly (claustrophobic that he is)-- when/ because one of the children wanted to show him something.

Dylan's most recent response to WA's letter: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dylan-farrow-responds-woody-allen-678552

I'm reminded of the Danish film, The Celebration (hope this isn't too inappropriate, comparing real people's real life painful shit to a movie).

Ronan's Golden Globes tweet and Dylan's letters (during this Hollywood awards season) and some of the public reaction to them ~ Son 'disrupting/ spoiling' Dad's big 60th birthday party.

the custody suit pdf is pretty damning, nothing else I've seen has gone into quite that detail.

http://excrementalvirtue.com/2014/02/08/brainwashing-woody/

Q. Did you talk to your analyst about how this would affect a child?

A. It wasn’t so complex. It doesn’t have that quality to it that you think.

Q. What about how it would affect her siblings?

A. These people are a collection of kids, they are not blood sisters or anything.

wonder how the kids woody and soon-yi have adopted together would feel about this.

Ugh articles psychoanalyzing Woody and Soon Yi. Full circle to 92.

i just want to say that woody's op-ed in the NYT is the first thing I've read that nearly convinces me of his guilt

there are so many half-truths, incredible elisions, complete failure to recognize that anything he might have done (EVER) could have hurt anyone, a lack of feeling, obsessive vindictiveness toward mia farrow (which, even if he comes by it honestly, should not have been the main subject of any op-ed by a emotionally mature person)

maybe all this tells is something we already know: woody is a moral adolescent and a total narcissist

maybe he just "remembers things differently"

but while I'll never have the certainty that some other folks seem to have achieved, the letter convinced me he is fundamentally dishonest

Maureen Orth responds: http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts