i'm interested in the ways that Chomsky's linguistic theories underpin the kind of realities his political theories seek to challenge― regret it? nope, said it? yep (Noodle Vague), Friday, January 31, 2014 2:25 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― regret it? nope, said it? yep (Noodle Vague), Friday, January 31, 2014 2:25 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is taking me back to my degree going back over a decade now so my memory's very patchy. I bet Branwell could help out. For a start there's the whole bridging of language, politics and art in postructuralist theory. But Chomsky's whole schtick was about language acquisition and the idea of an innate ability to learn grammatical rules and I swear I had a point here but it's so long ago...
― doglato dozzy (dog latin), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:30 (ten years ago) link
poems, novels, plays = writing = 1 artform
as for "excelling", I would say that if something has been generally well received by reputable critics/reviewers then that is excelling, regardless of whether or not I personally like it
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:30 (ten years ago) link
Joss Whedon is well regarded as both a screen and comics writer. I think they are reasonably similar disciplines though.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:31 (ten years ago) link
Dancing and singing is interesting, because I bet if you have someone who does the two disciplines separately they'd count, whereas if you have someone who does the two together (e.g. most pop artists) they'd be discounted.
― emil.y, Friday, 31 January 2014 14:32 (ten years ago) link
As in, "no, that's just part of the same act", not necessarily "no, they don't excel".
― emil.y, Friday, 31 January 2014 14:33 (ten years ago) link
Dante Gabriel Rossetti? I don't that he "excelled" esp. though.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:33 (ten years ago) link
I mean, he was better than me at both, that's true
There must have been some good actor/musicians. Frank Sinatra? David Bowie?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:34 (ten years ago) link
Anne Magnuson?
― emil.y, Friday, 31 January 2014 14:35 (ten years ago) link
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David Bowie, lol
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:35 (ten years ago) link
Oops, that was meant to indicate I put an extra e in her name where there is none.
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Well I think he's a decent (if very idiosyncratic) actor, but he doesn't excel at it like he does at music, no.
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― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:37 (ten years ago) link
He's a Crap Actor
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:37 (ten years ago) link
how dare you Tom, Bowie is nearly brilliant at portraying stilted, wooden, slightly pop-star-like characters
― regret it? nope, said it? yep (Noodle Vague), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:37 (ten years ago) link
Ha, this is a good point! Tempted to say James Brown? but yes, that's not quite what you mean.
― keiji cretins (NickB), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:37 (ten years ago) link
Dudley Moore
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:38 (ten years ago) link
Michael Jackson - equally good at dancing and singing
― doglato dozzy (dog latin), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:39 (ten years ago) link
He's not that good a dancer
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:39 (ten years ago) link
along the dudley moore lines, jeff goldblum plays a mean piano iirc
― a horse divided cannot stand (darraghmac), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:43 (ten years ago) link
satyajit ray - world class filmmaker, excellent illustrator/graphic designer:
http://caravanmagazine.in/sites/default/files/imagecache/story_carousel/v-063-black-and-white-illustration-for-a-prof.-shonku-book_0.jpg
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 31 January 2014 14:43 (ten years ago) link
Flight of the conchrds, tim minchin, billy connolly all have musical/comedy chop but i mean whats excellent, whats 'surprisingly good for a comedian' etc
― a horse divided cannot stand (darraghmac), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:44 (ten years ago) link
Neil innes is shit at everything tho
― a horse divided cannot stand (darraghmac), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:45 (ten years ago) link
That is bollocks
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:46 (ten years ago) link
how you have the balls to slag off Neil Innes and describe Tim Minchin as being involved in comedy
― regret it? nope, said it? yep (Noodle Vague), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:46 (ten years ago) link
Or music
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:48 (ten years ago) link
Cos ive heard urban spaceman.
― a horse divided cannot stand (darraghmac), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:49 (ten years ago) link
Woody allen btw
― a horse divided cannot stand (darraghmac), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:50 (ten years ago) link
E.E. Cummings also created paintings (and I think cartoons too, but I might be wrong). I think some of them are pretty great: http://www.eecummingsart.com/
― emil.y, Friday, 31 January 2014 14:54 (ten years ago) link
do bluegrass people think that Steve Martin is a notably good banjo player, or just surprisingly good?
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 31 January 2014 14:55 (ten years ago) link
ariel pink got into calarts on the strength of his drawings, not sure if has really done anything else w/ visual arts though
― marcos, Friday, 31 January 2014 14:55 (ten years ago) link
Antonin Artaud - poet, actor, painter
― keiji cretins (NickB), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:56 (ten years ago) link
Paul Robeson!
― emil.y, Friday, 31 January 2014 14:56 (ten years ago) link
(As a singer and actor, I guess 'activist' isn't an artform)
― emil.y, Friday, 31 January 2014 14:57 (ten years ago) link
Bill Dixon - painter, musician/composer
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:57 (ten years ago) link
in a very similar vein to Steve Martin, Jean Cocteau was pretty hot at a lot of things.
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 31 January 2014 15:00 (ten years ago) link
Wait he plays the banjo......and what else?
― a horse divided cannot stand (darraghmac), Friday, 31 January 2014 15:02 (ten years ago) link
Wyndham Lewis
― woof, Friday, 31 January 2014 15:21 (ten years ago) link
David ginola
― a horse divided cannot stand (darraghmac), Friday, 31 January 2014 15:39 (ten years ago) link
Haircare?
― regret it? nope, said it? yep (Noodle Vague), Friday, 31 January 2014 15:41 (ten years ago) link
Acteeeng
― a horse divided cannot stand (darraghmac), Friday, 31 January 2014 15:46 (ten years ago) link
must've missed that. can't be worse than Cantona
― regret it? nope, said it? yep (Noodle Vague), Friday, 31 January 2014 15:46 (ten years ago) link
Ok u pedant, acteeng in service to airecare and biscuits
― a horse divided cannot stand (darraghmac), Friday, 31 January 2014 15:49 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/vfd5Rix.jpg
― Pedro Mba Obiang Avomo est un joueur de football hispano-ganéen (nakhchivan), Friday, 31 January 2014 15:54 (ten years ago) link
^^ A.S. = Arnold Schoenberg ^^
― emil.y, Friday, 31 January 2014 16:01 (ten years ago) link
he's not hugely recognised for it but i like john cage's visual art:
http://media.tumblr.com/389776a89c796fbed83e91a506d34f9d/tumblr_inline_mh1dgnakj31qd384p.jpg
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 31 January 2014 16:22 (ten years ago) link
but with that kind of thing i wonder how much you can reasonably say they're excelling at more than one artform rather than having an artistic practice that isn't bound by a single artform.
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 31 January 2014 16:23 (ten years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikalojus_Konstantinas_%C4%8Ciurlionis
― Pedro Mba Obiang Avomo est un joueur de football hispano-ganéen (nakhchivan), Friday, 31 January 2014 16:24 (ten years ago) link
There was an exhibition of Cage's artwork at the Hunterian in Glasgow a couple of years ago; it was p good, tho the random/zen elements in the pictures made them seem all of a piece with Cage's compositions, rather than as work in an entirely distinct 'artform', if that makes sense.
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 31 January 2014 16:26 (ten years ago) link
Dennis Hopper - acting, and later acclaimed for his visual art
― Josefa, Friday, 31 January 2014 16:48 (ten years ago) link
Dean O. Torrence from Jan & Dean had a booming side job doing album covers:
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/dial35/dean_o__torrence_album_covers/
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 8 March 2016 16:00 (eight years ago) link
satyajit ray
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 March 2016 17:42 (eight years ago) link
Schoenberg's paintings, on the other hand, are garbage.
― hats to all the angles on their heads and surely many, many of blings (ledge), Tuesday, March 8, 2016 10:02 AM (7 hours ago)
I think there's one painting of his I really like, otherwise OTM.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 8 March 2016 17:53 (eight years ago) link
has anyone mentioned william blake?
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 March 2016 18:00 (eight years ago) link
oh wait, it's in OP
There are a lot of musicians for example where you're like "hey her/his paintings are also good!" But there aren't many where you feel like you'd want to go see a show of their paintings independent of their name in music.
Closest one that comes to mind is Teebs (music & painting are both great).
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 8 March 2016 18:02 (eight years ago) link
tony conrad
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 March 2016 18:04 (eight years ago) link
william morris
― koogs, Tuesday, 8 March 2016 18:05 (eight years ago) link
Wesley Stace / John Wesley Harding has written a couple of novels. I read one and it was okay.
John Updike drew and cartooned in addition to writing.
A lot of yr old-timey Britisher adventure dudes seem to have been able to draw well (if not artistically). Churchill painted as an enthusiastic amateur. Kipling did some interesting illustrations. Patrick Lee Fermor could draw semi-professionally, and I'm pretty sure T.E. Lawrence did too. Dudes like that seem to have come out of a genteel renaissance-man tradition in which it was normal to write, paint, and play music whilst also climbing mountains and subduing primitive peoples or whatever.
― brotato chip (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 8 March 2016 18:11 (eight years ago) link
Also Ethan Hawke wrote a novel and I am told Molly Ringwald is on a singing tour; I don't know if either of those efforts excel.
― brotato chip (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 8 March 2016 18:16 (eight years ago) link
Was idly wondering if I'd actually repped for Schoenberg upthread, not quite but he is mentioned. I think when I first discovered his paintings I was quite excited, but the more I have investigated the more I find him unsatisfactory as a visual artist.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 8 March 2016 18:20 (eight years ago) link
Have Iost my mind here or is it possible that no-one has mentioned Pasolini?
― Thomas of Britain (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 March 2016 18:32 (eight years ago) link
ha wow that is glaring.
― Cornelius Pardew (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 8 March 2016 18:32 (eight years ago) link
wtf tbh
― Thomas of Britain (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 March 2016 18:35 (eight years ago) link
Mind you, two years ago the best I could come up with was Dudley Moore.
― Thomas of Britain (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 March 2016 18:37 (eight years ago) link
yes, i've quite enjoyed dudley moore's sound installations, too.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 March 2016 20:06 (eight years ago) link
if chico buarque's novels are any good then him
― Cornelius Pardew (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 8 March 2016 20:09 (eight years ago) link
April March = animator & singer-songwriter
― davey, Tuesday, 8 March 2016 22:59 (eight years ago) link
stuart moxham is another animator + singer-songwriter!!
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 02:30 (eight years ago) link
two good ones:
1) vinicius de moraes: poet, musician, playwright, essayist... and diplomat!
2) paul robeson: singer, actor, lecturer, football player, lawyer, etc.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 02:31 (eight years ago) link
paul robeson was basically superman
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 02:32 (eight years ago) link
I think he mostly just wrote lyrics? So it's the same artform as in poetry and playwriting. The one album I know where he actually sings ("Os Afro sambas") wouldn't really convince anyone that he "excelled" as a vocalist.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 13:44 (eight years ago) link
Wait, Paul Robeson hadn't already been mentioned in this thread? FFS what were we all thinking?
― emil.y, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 16:22 (eight years ago) link
We were covered:)
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 16:26 (eight years ago) link
Ha! Well done, er, me.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 16:29 (eight years ago) link
I hear Robeson also punched out Hitler and cured polio.
― brotato chip (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 16:31 (eight years ago) link
Was Peter Brotzmann mentioned upthread? Obviously best known as a saxophonist, but also a trained artist (studied under Joseph Beuys IIRC) who's designed about 90 percent of his own album covers, posters, etc. He's had exhibits of his work here and there.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 16:41 (eight years ago) link
scarjo
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 16:42 (eight years ago) link