Ministry. S&D.

I'm tempted to do a C/D for 'Filth Pig'. I hated it on release and never bothered checking out any of their stuff after that, but once in a while songs pop up on shuffle and they're usually pretty awesome (e.g. last night "Brick Windows")

twitch's rare mentions in this thread is a crime.

WHERE YOU AT NOW

land of rape and honey 4-EVAH

USE IT A WHILE AND IT'S OVER THE SHOULDER

You know, I actually really liked Rio Grande Blood -- not The Last Sucker quite so much though it was still certainly better than a lot of their mid-period (ie Filth Pig and onward).

Just bought Twitch again and I like it okay. Parts of it didn't age well at all.

Again, I wish they'd pulled the plug after Psalm 69.

It bears repearing: "Jesus Built My Hotrod" is utterly unstoppable. Play it loud!

For whatever reason I cannot stop listening to "Hizbollah" today

love the snippet of dubbed out accordian sampled in "where you at now"

Hmmm.

Yeah, I wrote about that here. My memories of that 1990 RevCo show are pretty vivid, so I hope the movie focuses on that period and the year or two immediately prior; by the time they played Lollapalooza they'd already pretty much lost it, IMO.

Lolla 92 was the last time they made any real sense, if only for "N.W.O." and the Bush I samples.

I am in the extreme minority here but, aside from "Burning Inside" and "Faith Collasping", I think they started losing it by A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste. The songs there have a kernel of awesome smothered by repetive bullshit nonsense ("Breathe", "Thieves", "So What", "Test", "Dream Song") or is just flat-out unlistenable ("Cannibal Song", "Never Believe") ans Psalm 69 took everything I hated about AMIATTTT and cranked it up to 100.

thieves =! repetitive bullshit nonsense in any world i live in

I am in the extreme minority here but, aside from "Burning Inside" and "Faith Collasping", I think they started losing it by A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste. The songs there have a kernel of awesome smothered by repetive bullshit nonsense ("Breathe", "Thieves", "So What", "Test", "Dream Song") or is just flat-out unlistenable ("Cannibal Song", "Never Believe") ans Psalm 69 took everything I hated about AMIATTTT and cranked it up to 100.

Yeah, I gotta disagree with pretty much all of this...Psalm 69 was definitely the end of the golden era (though I'll offer another minority opinion, namely that Animositisomina had some very good songs), but there are a couple of solid tracks on it, "Hero" and "Scarecrow" in particular. However, the three singles from Psalm 69 - "NWO," "Jesus Built My Hotrod" and "Just One Fix" - are much, much better in their longer 12"/CD single versions.

I've actually managed to listen to Cannibal Song many, many times. AMIATTTT is peak Ministry imo.

thieves =! repetitive bullshit nonsense in any world i live in

― bum-sniff deviant (cutty), Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:44 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

1st post of 2010.
say it all really.

i just started getting into this band. i think i am in love with this evil.

also, 'Cannibal Song' is fucking awesome. all yall haters are crazy.

I love classic Ministry but think Psalm 69 is extremely overrated. it's good but don't spin it anywhere near as much as Land of Rape and Mind...."Just One Fix" is ace though

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_discography#Studio_albums

these sales figures are hilarious

Ouch. How the hell did they lose momentum so badly between Psalm 69 and Filth Pig? Which is an underrated album. Dammit.

yeah this is pretty incredible - I now rate it but it's true that I remember a big sense of deflation when Filth Pig came out.

To be honest, when it was out Psalm 69 kind of alienated me - maybe it's because noe of it lived up the promise of the single version of Jesus Built My Hotrod - and I was off the bus by Filth Pig. Listening back I can't work out why, as it's really pretty good.

The numbers for The Last Sucker are just embarassing. Has anyone knowingly heard it?

yeah tbh Psalm 69 is pretty mediocre apart from the singles

i always kind of liked filth pig and never understood why it was considered mediocre. after that one i didn't bother though.

Psalm 69's not just about the singles. Scarecrow's astounding - that's the heart of the album for me. But I agree it has more filler than The Mind.

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/m/ministry/album-filth-pig.jpg

Don't know how they didn't manage to shift 2 million units of this sucker.

I mean, I didn't even buy it. I still use "Filth Pig" as an insult though, particularly toward one of my wife's chihuahuas.

filth pig is worthy of the entry price for the bob dylan cover version alone, that's a proper late night + wine loud music blast.

I can sum up why Filth Pig never got anywhere easy -- "The Fall" was released as the first single and it seemed slow, draggy and boring in comparison to a lot of other Ministry singles (and in terms of the mass market, a certain NIN album of the previous year had wider appeal, shall we say).

filth pig cover art always reminded me of this classic Arbus photo

http://brownstate.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451be1b69e20105357094dd970c-450wi

by way of Massive Headwound Harry

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41589_143588872337299_6284_n.jpg

in addition to what Ned said, Filth Pig sucks and is terrible

At the time I had every Ministry release, and when Filth Pig came out I was just sorely disappointing. It's not as if I was expecting another Land of Rape and Honey, but when I listened to it it felt like the look on my dog's face after he got neutered.

I'm listening to "The Fall" again to see if I still hate it

about 20 seconds in, my answer is "no, but it certainly isn't anything special"

S: "the nature of love" (cruelty mix). brutal

1:30 in, yeah this just sucks

"The Nature of Love" OTOH is and always will be fucking great

To me, Filth Pig was always a massive misread by Al and co of what people were exactly finding appealing about the increasing metallification of Ministry. To my ears, it stripped the last remaining things out of the sound that I still enjoyed, and I found it dreary, plodding and joyless.

I think they found a bit of that again right near the end, but by then almost everyone had tuned out (from the looks of those numbers).

Hate the fuck out of filth pig, which ive ranted about somewhere around here

I felt texturally they were just turning into a big mushy evil-sounding blouse of a band; when I really liked them, they had a killer crispness and precision in their sound and arrangements that they slowly worked out of their sound in favor of increasing amounts of feedback. It just all turned into an amorphous blob of sound that still sounded vaguely mean and evil but didn't have nearly the punch of even their wimpy synth-pop stuff.

I mean, I can kind of dig "NWO" because of the drums but the way the rest of the song works is just not my type of thing; there's also way too much stasis given what the foundational beat of the song is.

"Jesus Built My Hotrod" OTOH just works, I think because it's faster and the distortion on the guitar is brighter with more bite and less sludge.

(in summation, I was having doubts as of A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Tase but really Psalm 69 is when they just started flat-out sucking hardcore; Filth Pig was just confirmation)

Can I just say "You have been found guilty of commerce with the devil!"

yeah i was still down with psalm 69, so filth pig was like a big fart in the pillow moment for me

lol actually this reminds me, did you ever get back on the NIN wagon?

While there'http://blog.devstone.com/images/emote_ellipsis.gifouple bad tracks on Psalm 69, to me there's just some tracks that totally kill. Like Just One Fix, and Scarecrow along with Jesus Built my Hotrod, and NWO

only $150

Al finally makes his peace with

....With Sympathy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU6-uMVECRE