crepe
― beef in the new era (wins), Saturday, 18 January 2014 12:36 (ten years ago) link
“Conservatives are not racist. So many of the Conservatives have foreign wives after all.”
- so many choice quotes in that article
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Saturday, 18 January 2014 12:50 (ten years ago) link
xposted from Tim McGraw thread: Tim McGraw Announces 2014 Sundown Heaven Town Tour
http://tasteofcountry.com/tim-mcgraw-2014-sundown-heaven-town-tour/
― charitable remainder unitrust (crüt), Saturday, 18 January 2014 13:23 (ten years ago) link
McGraw was 1 when when the Civil Rights Act was signed, and the closest "sundown town" to his home in Start, Louisiana was Pollock, which was like 90 minutes away. It would not exactly shock me if he didn't know what this meant, but I guess someone could have spoken up.
― lisa 龜 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 January 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link
SAlso people will probably always say sundown to mean nighttime/twilight. The word is definitely not exclusive to racism afficianados.
― how's life, Saturday, 18 January 2014 17:45 (ten years ago) link
I speak English and am aware of the literal definition of "sundown" — It just frustrates (but doesn't surprise) me that people in the country music industry would have such a poor understanding of the history whose signifiers they trade in. I agree w/Whiney: It would not exactly shock me if he didn't know what this meant, but I guess someone could have spoken up.
― charitable remainder unitrust (crüt), Saturday, 18 January 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link
I guess
― mh, Saturday, 18 January 2014 18:15 (ten years ago) link
maybe i'm the real racist
― charitable remainder unitrust (crüt), Saturday, 18 January 2014 18:24 (ten years ago) link
Who knew Gordon Lightfoot was such a racist.
― pplains, Saturday, 18 January 2014 18:43 (ten years ago) link
Don't talk shit about Gordon Lightfoot
― frogbs, Saturday, 18 January 2014 18:46 (ten years ago) link
Maybe it's the earth's rotation that is the real racist.
― how's life, Saturday, 18 January 2014 18:50 (ten years ago) link
"the watchman's gone" off sundown is all time
― flopson, Saturday, 18 January 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link
kkkopernican heliocentrism
― balls, Saturday, 18 January 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link
tell me about the word "yankee". if a person (white, southern) uses that a lot, is it generally a problem? i realise it's not quite a confederate belt buckle, but something about it.
― caek, Saturday, 18 January 2014 19:24 (ten years ago) link
that whole damn album is amazing, christ
― frogbs, Saturday, 18 January 2014 19:38 (ten years ago) link
come on y'all the word "sundown" is not the issue here it's "sundown town"
i hardly ever use the word "yankee" & i only use it in certain cases where i'm speaking for a particular point of view that is not necessarily my own. e.g.
I think most people from the deep south would think I talk like a yankee though― Mmm yes hello (crüt), Monday, December 23, 2013 4:50 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Mmm yes hello (crüt), Monday, December 23, 2013 4:50 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
but thinking more deeply about the context of that word makes me not want to use it even in that context. the extent to which it's hideously offensive has only recently occurred to me tbh. :/
― charitable remainder unitrust (crüt), Saturday, 18 January 2014 20:07 (ten years ago) link
Is it offensive? I've never taken it seriously.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Saturday, 18 January 2014 20:38 (ten years ago) link
I think it carries as much baggage as the knee-jerk disdain for "southerners" or the broad generalizations about "the south" that you might hear in other parts of the country. It's not really used above the mason-dixon at all, unless you're referring to the baseball team.
It's especially a non-starter in the midwest/west as there's no real historical context. I might be a yankee to some in the southeastern US, but being called such has no real associations for me
― mh, Saturday, 18 January 2014 21:46 (ten years ago) link
i will use the word yankee to refer to particular northeast attitudes, cultural phenomena -- i think it's as offensive as calling someone "whitey" imo
― ^ enlightening post (sarahell), Saturday, 18 January 2014 21:55 (ten years ago) link
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/21/russian-socialite-zhukova-racist-chair-naked-black-mannequin?CMP=fb_gu
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 14:37 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/ygULo1b.jpg
― pplains, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 15:21 (ten years ago) link
Jesus, Snoop
thread of snoop pictured with other ppl cuz he does this a lot
― Walter Galt, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link
Yes, you are correct, Walter.
Only way that could've more awkward would have been if Snoop had posted "Stunt double for my kung-fu movie, hahahahahah."
― pplains, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 15:55 (ten years ago) link
I have a question. If a white was to cover a song by a black artist, which specifically deals with issues in the black community, it would be problematic to change the words to refer to a more general group, right? Say, The Bottle, by Gil Scott-Heron and Brian Jackson; changing "See that black boy over there, runnin' scared" to "See that young boy over there, runnin' scared".
Obviously alcoholism is a problem in many communities, but something about the re-appropriation makes me uncomfortable. And a white artist singing the original lyrics sounds like an accusatory outsider.
No big deal, just wondering what people's thoughts are.
― badgers moved the goalposts (dowd), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link
Meant to be "If a white artist", of course.
well you could argue that changing the lyrics shows disrespect to the author so
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 17:45 (ten years ago) link
i'm generally an "intent-over-content" guy when it comes to taboo language (erring on the side of not intentionally pissing people off for no fucking reason) so my inclination would be to respect authorial intent. i think chris rock's routine about white people singing along to rap may apply.
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 17:47 (ten years ago) link
there's something problematic about removing blackness from a text in order for a white artist to be able to perform it but
well you could argue that changing the lyrics shows disrespect to the author
this isn't what's problematic about it. people covering songs change up the lyrics all the time and it's not "disrespectful," gtfo w/authorial totalitarianism, personalizing a song by changing the lyrics up a little is as totally ok. but when race is a factor, then the question gets a little thorny. (gender too maybe.)
my war against "so" at the end of a sentence continues in all cases
― second set all dead boys covers (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 17:54 (ten years ago) link
aero, your response seems to be "eh, change it if you want; author doesn't get to make you say what they want to but race and gender may make it complicated", which given that was the point of the conversation in the first place (unless i'm reading this wrong) doesn't really address the issue at all http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/gabriel-peter-so-300x300.jpg...
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 18:43 (ten years ago) link
I think the point was more "make sure the change says what you want it to say" and that sometimes erasing mention of color says something you don't intend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkLTwX0duY4
― SHAUN (DJP), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 18:46 (ten years ago) link
write a new song, bros
― Nhex, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 20:29 (ten years ago) link
^^^^
― charitable remainder unitrust (crüt), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:08 (ten years ago) link
gourdsplayingginandjuice.youtube.com
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link
(gender too maybe.)
You have an issue with female singers gender-flipping lyrics so they're about guys?
― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link
no I just really hated "I Am Man," feel like it really missed the point
― second set all dead boys covers (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:15 (ten years ago) link
personally thought the Oran Juice Jones version of Bobbie Gentry "Fancy" was a lil awkward
― charitable remainder unitrust (crüt), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:18 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0ov9082a1c
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:22 (ten years ago) link
though i suppose me'shell self-identifies as bi, just always thought that would be a fun song to gender flip
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:23 (ten years ago) link
Always wanted to do a cover of "Johnny, Are You Queer?"
― pplains, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link
Melissa Etheridge's comeback single: "Hello Lucille, Are You a Lesbian?"
― Three Word Username, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:57 (ten years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/711rXz-SD1L._SL1000_.jpg
― pplains, Thursday, 20 February 2014 20:40 (ten years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71iZedLLhDL._SL1000_.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/516CX-%2BTixL.jpg
kinda lol, prob racist
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Thursday, 20 February 2014 20:47 (ten years ago) link
eh, accurate enough, let's face it
― Nhex, Thursday, 20 February 2014 20:50 (ten years ago) link
love dude's hi top fade
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 February 2014 20:58 (ten years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51OQOhWHWGL.jpg
― pplains, Thursday, 20 February 2014 21:15 (ten years ago) link
it's the combo hi-top fade/AIR FORCE sweatshirt that kills me
― sent as gassed to onto rt dominance (DJP), Thursday, 20 February 2014 21:20 (ten years ago) link
It looks like you're racially segregating. Would you like help?
― bnw, Thursday, 20 February 2014 21:22 (ten years ago) link
trying to do a clippy / afro joke; not working when i type it outor even conceptually really
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 February 2014 21:29 (ten years ago) link