Jimmy Saville is still alive...

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Read this in 'The Captive' by Proust just today, struck a chord:

"Lying, though it is so often deceptive and is the basis of all conversation, conceals less thoroughly a feeling of hostility, or of self-interest, or a visit which one wants to appear not to have paid, or a short-lived escapade with a mistress which one is anxious to keep from one's wife, than a good reputation covers up - to the extent of not letting its existence be guessed - sexual depravity."

Ward Fowler, Friday, 17 January 2014 13:41 (ten years ago) link

Does Proust explore the idea of lying being the basis of all conversation more in this book? Sounds interesting

badg, Friday, 17 January 2014 17:52 (ten years ago) link

well a large part of that particular volume is about the narrator's obsession with the lies that he and Albertine, his on-off love person, tell each other other, all the time, and that quote feeds into a larger theme about social duplicity and malice amongst the french aristocracy in times past - conversation in proust is p much always a snakepit of deception, snobbery, stupidity etc., all rendered as v. malcious comedy.

sorry this is a way away from rolf roache & DLT

Ward Fowler, Friday, 17 January 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link

That quote also stood out for me when I re-read The Captive a couple of months ago, more for the "Lying...is the basis of all conversation" is such a hook.

Awesome how you've quoted it here, comes off as even more savage...

xyzzzz__, Friday, 17 January 2014 22:01 (ten years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeBwTzzIEAA3qp9.jpg

piscesx, Saturday, 18 January 2014 13:12 (ten years ago) link

The phrase "rock and hard place" is not remotely adequate

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Saturday, 18 January 2014 13:45 (ten years ago) link

Irrelevantly, RIP Lord McAlpine. A man of unimpeachable integrity.

glumdalclitch, Saturday, 18 January 2014 14:12 (ten years ago) link

So, was there any fire behind the smoke, or was the mistaken identity thing true?

UK Cop Humour (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 18 January 2014 14:49 (ten years ago) link

lol or maybe he's faked his death to smoke out more internet libellers... wonder how the law stands on that- can you libel someone you reasonably believe to be dead, if they turn out not to be?

UK Cop Humour (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 18 January 2014 14:51 (ten years ago) link

poor janice

i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Saturday, 18 January 2014 15:32 (ten years ago) link

On the bright side, Savile clearly not interested.

time is a train that make the future flag post (snoball), Saturday, 18 January 2014 17:54 (ten years ago) link

oh god.
wish i could unsee that picture ..

mark e, Saturday, 18 January 2014 18:42 (ten years ago) link

On the bright side, Savile clearly not interested.

I was going to say that Savile's motto was "as long as it's got a pulse" except it didn't even need that (if rumours are true)

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 January 2014 12:40 (ten years ago) link

sorry mark!

piscesx, Sunday, 19 January 2014 13:57 (ten years ago) link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25917895

Kim Wrong-un (Neil S), Monday, 27 January 2014 14:55 (ten years ago) link

Ken Barlow not guilty

cyfytlapdbfr? (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 February 2014 12:28 (ten years ago) link

So, DLT and Rolf verdicts to come.

Mark G, Thursday, 6 February 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link

KB was a certainty to be not guilty, i would have put money on it. I reckon DLT will be not guilty too, not sure about Rolf

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 February 2014 17:40 (ten years ago) link

DLT acquitted

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 13 February 2014 14:20 (ten years ago) link

no justice

Kim Wrong-un (Neil S), Thursday, 13 February 2014 14:31 (ten years ago) link

How do you reckon that, exactly?

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 13 February 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link

just being stupid.

Kim Wrong-un (Neil S), Thursday, 13 February 2014 15:26 (ten years ago) link

seriously though, does the CPS need to take a look itself? That's what the papers will be saying I would guess, though of course it was the same moral panic they created that caused allegations like the DLT/Roache ones to come to court.

Kim Wrong-un (Neil S), Thursday, 13 February 2014 15:33 (ten years ago) link

Close Shave For Hairy Cornflake

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 February 2014 15:47 (ten years ago) link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26322552

Love that the picture looks like it was taken just as they told him.

Ian Glasper's trapped in a scone (aldo), Monday, 24 February 2014 11:10 (ten years ago) link

Quack quack oops.

you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Monday, 24 February 2014 11:18 (ten years ago) link

given his acquittal for the other offences there might be an argument that the CPS are being willfully stubborn here

we sold our Solsta for Rock'n'Roll (Noodle Vague), Monday, 24 February 2014 11:22 (ten years ago) link

Have these unsuccessful cases perhaps been pursued to distract from investigations into police corruption behind Saville's escape from prosecution while he was alive? Just to 'David Peace' it all up, so to speak?

you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Monday, 24 February 2014 11:26 (ten years ago) link

given his acquittal for the other offences there might be an argument that the CPS are being willfully stubborn here

Maybe, yes. They clearly believe they have the evidence to support a prosecution but are maybe still in denial of the power of celebrity in the face of such evidence, even washed up celebrity who was never all that in the first place.

Idris Elba don't keep your lights on (onimo), Monday, 24 February 2014 11:29 (ten years ago) link

i'm not sure it's about the celebrity only, i've heard lawyers argue that these cases were not strong enough. i think there's a real concern that bringing cases just to be seen to be doing something, or for more nefarious reasons as stevie suggests, is just going to muddy the waters for potential cases with a genuine prospect of conviction in the future

we sold our Solsta for Rock'n'Roll (Noodle Vague), Monday, 24 February 2014 11:32 (ten years ago) link

Anyone remember the Times profile of DLT published just before the Yewtree situ blew up? Female interviewer noted that he was "handsy" throughout, and wanted to show her his library of photographs he'd taken of friends' teenaged female daughters. Is behind paywall so I cannot link it.

you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Monday, 24 February 2014 11:35 (ten years ago) link

DLT has a Paywall?

Mark G, Monday, 24 February 2014 12:45 (ten years ago) link

Dave Lee Travis: Look out, Suu Kyi - he's a bit touchy

sleepingsignal, Monday, 24 February 2014 14:02 (ten years ago) link

yup, that's the one.

you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Monday, 24 February 2014 14:07 (ten years ago) link

There’s a half-body sculpture of buttocks, thong and legs near the fridge, opposite a chalk board with “poo bags and Nurofen” written in capitals. Christ.

heritage punk act (onimo), Monday, 24 February 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link

Hoping those poo bags are for the dog.

you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Monday, 24 February 2014 17:28 (ten years ago) link

poo bags and Nurofen

Rejected line from Dana's 'All Kinds of Everything'.

an office job is as secure as a Weetabix padlock (snoball), Monday, 24 February 2014 18:32 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

Tarby walks

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 24 March 2014 19:44 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

“The instructions suggest it would be harder to finish than Trivial Pursuits,” he said.

“The game’s complexity, and the fact Savile was the biggest sex offender in history, really puts you off from getting the die out...

“I know it’s not like an ouija board that could invoke the spirit of Savile.

“But imagine if this had been a pub quiz board game with Ian Brady’s face on the box?"

keep having to check that this isn't a spoof

waterflow ductile laser beam (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 13 April 2014 18:21 (ten years ago) link

'Woman guzzled lager with friends instead of getting help for dying puppy' in the sidebar gave me pause as well

soref, Sunday, 13 April 2014 18:24 (ten years ago) link

hang on .. the owner is "loaning" it to the museum.

they may want it back at some point !!?

mark e, Sunday, 13 April 2014 18:54 (ten years ago) link

there's a subtext throughout that the owner obviously thinks it'll be worth a few quid when the moral panic's died down

waterflow ductile laser beam (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 13 April 2014 18:56 (ten years ago) link

well, yeah.

after all, gary glitter vinyl goes for a fortune these days.

(actually it probably does, but i am not going to check)

mark e, Sunday, 13 April 2014 19:02 (ten years ago) link

keep having to check that this isn't a spoof

I pretty much tossed a coin over whether to post it here or to the shit that looks like an onion article thread

sktsh, Sunday, 13 April 2014 19:28 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Clifford guilty

A frenzied geologist (Tom D.), Monday, 28 April 2014 14:44 (ten years ago) link

Sentenced to eight years.

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Friday, 2 May 2014 14:51 (ten years ago) link

these cunts are completely loathesome, every aged light entertainment wasteman shuffling to and fro over the last couple of years, wish them nothing but ill, clifford probably the only one deluded enough to self-incriminate but they are all vermin

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 2 May 2014 14:58 (ten years ago) link

all this makes me mourn richard whiteley all the keener

imago, Friday, 2 May 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link


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