ahahaha you jaded old hack, balls
― a solid one word retort congealed in the vaginal orifice you call (imago), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 14:51 (ten years ago) link
l0u1s jagg3r
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:04 (ten years ago) link
j4mes bl0unt see fucken googleproofed what's your point
― a solid one word retort congealed in the vaginal orifice you call (imago), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:06 (ten years ago) link
haha this is so immature i'm fucken engaging with a dude who inferred misogyny from claims of musical dullness as part of a shitty stale hardman troll act
― a solid one word retort congealed in the vaginal orifice you call (imago), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:07 (ten years ago) link
i'd tell you to go fuck yrself but it's almost certain you're literally doing that as we speak
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:08 (ten years ago) link
haha i'd never seen that Valli Girls stuff before. it's pretty great that you can troll people while posting a song with the refrain "welcome to the trolls world."
― some dude, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:08 (ten years ago) link
we don't like it when you fight...
― An embarrassing doorman and garbage man (dog latin), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:10 (ten years ago) link
i actually kinda liked that song hahaxp
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:10 (ten years ago) link
did haim actually finish that high in any critics poll? for all the clutched pearls over what does it mean for indie when a girl band gets hype and groans over it being the dull consensus pick it didn't win place or show anywhere did it?
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:11 (ten years ago) link
ftr i dont dislike haim (or any other band) because they're "girls".
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:12 (ten years ago) link
what about Girls
― mile.y (wins), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:13 (ten years ago) link
i mean i guess it's in there w/ ram and mbv where it not placing at all or placing outside the top twenty would register as a surprise but it hasn't been a factor like vampire weekend or yeezus. haim = 2013 chiefs essentially. vampire weekend and yeezus are weird consensus picks also - alot of ppl think that vw is their best yet but a considerable number also think they've lost the plot and i would guess a significant number of yeezus voters would agree it would work alot better as an ep.
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link
Are Haim indie?
― An embarrassing doorman and garbage man (dog latin), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:17 (ten years ago) link
It is by far VW's best album.
― An embarrassing doorman and garbage man (dog latin), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:18 (ten years ago) link
Beyonce is so gonna win this.
No, they're pop-rock. (xp to dl)
Not sure what this means: what does it mean for indie when a girl band gets hype? Like, I'm actually not sure what balls is referencing, or implying, or what?
― emil.y, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:18 (ten years ago) link
i had no idea they were being promoted as 'indie' until the clutched pearl pieces came out (pfork hype doesn't necessarily signify that in 2013). vampire weekend production lends it some credibility but i think it's more just 'indie' is how that kind of pop sheen alt is 'indie' now (or 'indie' has become that pop sheen alt perhaps). i can't register them as indie at all though, i mean that one girl can actually sing.
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link
emil.y there were alot of high profile verklempt rockcrit pieces reacting to haim and the hype and the 'coopting of indie', some of which had a pronounced misogynist undertone. lana del rey was invoked alot.
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:24 (ten years ago) link
i mean grantland had a piece about how the haim record represented literally the death of indie rock, comparable to how sugar ray et al killed the altrock dream in 1997, tears tears.
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:27 (ten years ago) link
didn't the Haim and VW albums have the same producer, and probably more in common aesthetically than not when you get down to it?
― some dude, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:27 (ten years ago) link
imagine having to tie in any subjective musical opinion with some bullshit rockcrit narrative, imagine being that jaded
― lovely cuddly fluffy dope (imago), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link
yeah when i found that out it clarified what i like about the haim record - everything i like about vampire weekend minus actual vampire weekend
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link
imagine parroting that bullshit rockcrit narrative reflexively, imagine being that lazy
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:31 (ten years ago) link
loool imagine actually reading criticism of a band you don't like & only listened to because they had 500 new answers p much constantly on ilm for half a year
― lovely cuddly fluffy dope (imago), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:33 (ten years ago) link
will you two get a fucking room
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:34 (ten years ago) link
imagine all the people living life in peace
― crüt, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:35 (ten years ago) link
LJ i voted for the cardiacs
― |$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:35 (ten years ago) link
jk i voted for Haim
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― balls, Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:30 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
OHHHHH this probably explains why i never got into haim then! that fussiness in the production, yup
i never saw any really dumb pro-haim writing, that's what usually sets the rage triggers off for me (vampire weekend!). the weird thing is i have no conception of what their real life fanbase is, i don't know anyone who's into them (apart from critics) and they're really easy to ignore for a band with such success
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:38 (ten years ago) link
This poll IS going to have a furia breakdown too, right?
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:39 (ten years ago) link
i don't know anyone who's into them (apart from critics)
yup
― crüt, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:40 (ten years ago) link
Here's a great piece on said producer: http://grantland.com/features/ariel-rechtshaid-producer-vampire-weekend-haim-sky-ferreira-snoop-lion-justin-bieber/
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:41 (ten years ago) link
i like haim and i am not a music critic, AMA
― |$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:42 (ten years ago) link
"regular poster on ilm" = "may as well be a music critic" to me
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:47 (ten years ago) link
did haim actually finish that high in any critics poll?
#7 in P&J
― SHAUN (DJP), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:47 (ten years ago) link
also i realised recently that i don't care about haim b/c i really never grew up listening to the stuff they draw on, and have never heard that much of it - so while i've been a sucker for last year's uk house revival b/c it sounds so much like the '90s commercial dance i did grow up loving (w/o being just a throwback) i don't get that flash of recognition with haim
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:49 (ten years ago) link
I would say in terms of the ratio of real-world-success (ie. sales) to critical-acclaim, HAIM are at about the same place as MIA was pre-"Paper Planes", perhaps even slightly ahead.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:49 (ten years ago) link
their success seems so hypothetical to me still. i've seen them pop up on tv several times now and each time i'm surprised. the other day there was high school girl at the park listening to them on blast at the dog park and it befuddled me nearly as much as the realization that wearing big ass headphones in public or two strapping it are totally normal things now as well. i can totally get the 'dull' charge, during last year's poll i was consistently not getting the love over the singles, but i was pleasantly surprised at how thoroughly solid the album is, more and more so as i played it ie i liked it more the third time thru than the first time. not exceptional and god knows nothing new but it hits its mark repeatedly. cf tony gwynn, christine mcvie, the strokes, ncis. i'm a sucker for that fussy production though.
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:50 (ten years ago) link
haim are good and have catchy tunes
― An embarrassing doorman and garbage man (dog latin), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:51 (ten years ago) link
yeah djp i knew they were in the top tens, just saying for a band that's getting all the 'WHY DO CRITICS LOVE THIS BAND' ire they draw they're not actually winning any of these things.
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:51 (ten years ago) link
two strapping it?
― how's life, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:51 (ten years ago) link
someone should make a thread for haim
― nathey, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:53 (ten years ago) link
you see, pretty much all the praise of haim amounts to this, which is...fine! i guess they do have catchy tunes. whereas with vampire weekend you can't move for people blathering about how smart they are and how they're attuned to the human condition or how interesting a narrator he is and it's like fuck off fuck off i now want to stab this band a great deal
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:53 (ten years ago) link
can't we hate them all
― lovely cuddly fluffy dope (imago), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:54 (ten years ago) link
― balls, Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:24 PM (14 minutes ago)
Oh, eurgh. I get annoyed by misclassification because I have that sort of (irritating) brain, but the accusation of 'co-opting' here is stupid, and yes, quite probably spurred by 'ew girls' wankery (I only have past history of rockcrit to go on for that assumption, but it's a pretty long history of that sort of shit). Reminds me of stumbling onto Amanda Palmer online hatefests, where the criticism is *very clearly* run by misogyny, almost enough to make me want to defend her.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:54 (ten years ago) link
i guess they do have catchy tunes
See, I can't even remember any of their tunes. I don't think they are very catchy. Not as catchy as that Trollz song, which I would almost like as bubblegum pop if it wasn't so horribly misogynist in itself. Woo hair and shopping yay!
― emil.y, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:56 (ten years ago) link
DeRo:
Haim, Days Are Gone (Polydor)
Has indie-rock seriously gotten so twee and “poptimistic” that it can hail as a buzz band a California trio aiming at a modern update of Fleetwood Mac but barely achieving a less polished version of Wilson Phillips? Really?
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:57 (ten years ago) link
hey seandalai if possible can you send my ballot back to me via ilxmail? If it's cool I wanted to change up something on my ballot.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 16:03 (ten years ago) link
ballot ballot
Several of my squarer friends are (the people who think The Lumineers are cool and can't understand why their mere existence sets me off), so they've crossed over to the "I listen to so little new music these days" crowd.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 16:10 (ten years ago) link