yeah I only knew about the soon-yi stuff and vague ideas about him being "creepy" but I didn't know about the dylan allegations. Maybe I was just a little too young when they first came out.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 03:41 (ten years ago) link
im okay w/ woody allen dying
― rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 03:45 (ten years ago) link
we shd murder him whos in
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 04:01 (ten years ago) link
disembowling harry
― rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 04:02 (ten years ago) link
summary execution of known child molesters is morally justifiable
― Mordy , Tuesday, 14 January 2014 04:03 (ten years ago) link
its settled then
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 04:08 (ten years ago) link
distinguished ebay seller mordy sold me
― rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 04:15 (ten years ago) link
Wow this is so disgusting, I had no idea, I only knew about the Soon Yi thing. Im no fan of Woody Allen, but now I have that fucking Whitlams song stuck in my head.
― the Bronski Review (Trayce), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 04:31 (ten years ago) link
Ugh, I looked at the Vanity Fair thing again and it's just very hard to come up with an alternate explanation for all of the facts and evidence. "Farrow brainwashed her children" just doesn't cut it.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 04:34 (ten years ago) link
i've never focused on this story, but seeing that picture above of woody allen with that child on his lap at a baseball game, knowing that child grew up to become allen's wife, is horribly gross.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 04:40 (ten years ago) link
Guys, he made some funny movies tho
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 04:42 (ten years ago) link
D0ug H3nw00d approvingly reposted this and I nearly flew into apoplectic rage:
Regarding that Ronan Farrow tweet about his father Woody Allen: It's interesting how much of the Allen-bashing is actually missing the point, that there are more murky issues hidden behind the powerful obfuscation engaged in by both mother and son. As a friend and colleague of mine put it (not using their name without their permission), what happened between Allen and the adopted daughter of his partner is actually fairly typical in transnational adoptions where adopted children are frequently not actually considered children/blood, and hence are subject to being sexualised differently.
This is neither excusing nor defending Allen: it's simply pointing out that the easy "feminist" ire at Allen is grasping at the most readily available object of derision. Yet Farrow, as this quote below demonstrates, is in fact someone who has obsessively gone around collecting children as if they were prizes to take home, even when she has not had the financial resources to actually take care of them. In contrast, as Dorothy Roberts shows us so brilliantly, Black women with children are constantly policed, surveilled, and demonised, and their connections to their children are constantly being broken and cast aside in the interest of a foster care system which privileges white women like Farrow and, indeed, serves to funnel Black children towards women like her. Farrow has also gone about shifting laws to enable her to do what she has wanted, and her life story is more a story about the brute force of power and lineage than that of a woman done wrong.
This is not to engage in the reverse, of simply slamming Farrow, but to point out that to simply exult in the words of Ronan Farrow (a young man who, despite his youth, is incredibly sophisticated and knows how to play both the media and is scarily positioned to become a voice in "international relations") is to ignore the murky, messy underbelly of Farrow's family history, and by that I mean the way she has gone about defining the meaning of family in ways that actually demonstrate so many of the issues around adoptions, particularly transnational and trans-racial ones, all the while persuading liberal and progressive feminists in particular to praise her as some sort of Madonna. If we're going to talk about Farrow and Allen, let's talk about ALL of it, not just one side.
And, by the way, that Vanity Fair article on her (linked below) is a hot mess, meandering and seemingly positioned more as a way to bolster Farrow's case than provide an interesting profile.
If you'd like to hear more about transnational adoptions, tune in to my podcast NEXT week, where I talk with Joy Messinger. To hear more about feminism and its affective framings today, tune in THIS week, to hear me talk with Liza Featherstone.
This quote is from "Flexible Production: International Adoption, Race, Whiteness," by Anthony Shiu (with many thanks to the friend who sent it along), published in the journal Jouvert, special double issue, "Growing Up Elsewhere," Volume 6, Issues 1 - 2 (Fall 2001)
"But not all is easy for Farrow, and her eventual adoption of Soon-Yi Previn in 1977 was met by legal restrictions; federal law prohibited more than two visas per family for the purposes of international adoption. "We had our quota," Farrow writes:"Forget it, the agency told us: to change the law would require an act of Congress. But we already had been sent a blurry black-and-white two-by-two-inch head shot of a child. . . . This was my daughter. . . . My old friends, Bill and Rose Styron, sought the help of Massachusetts Congressman Michael Harrington, and he agreed to sponsor the bill that was necessary. . . . Finally, in 1977, Congress passed the bill. Soon-Yi could come home." (179-80)[5]And though the reach of her powers of influence may seem extreme in relation to "average" Americans, this excerpt dovetails nicely with the next section on the reformulation of international and transracial adoption law. Changing the law and having the connections to do so point to the relative ease with which Farrow can utilize her "connections" and take advantage of her standing in order to participate in the systems of universalist emotive love that she has constructed. These are amazing powers, yet not atypical; the recent history of (international) adoption law is also the recent history of arguments by whites against "reverse discrimination," all to allow the adoption of racialized children into homes that, while financially solvent, are oftentimes wholly unaware of how racialization will affect their children and unwilling to even acknowledge that international adoption is, in a sense, a will to power."
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 04:42 (ten years ago) link
"grasping at the most readily available object of derision" you know the child molester, easy target
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 04:43 (ten years ago) link
"a hot mess"
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 04:45 (ten years ago) link
I KNOW!!! AAARGHHH!!!
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 04:48 (ten years ago) link
"But the situation is more complicated. You see, Farrow WHAT LLALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HERE YOU LALALALA"
guys really who's the real monster - the person who molests a child or the person who adopts one?
― balls, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 04:53 (ten years ago) link
s in fact someone who has obsessively gone around collecting children
in fact
― goole, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 04:58 (ten years ago) link
wtf would inspire someone to write something like my god
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 05:04 (ten years ago) link
wait wait wait
woody allen might be kind of a creepy guy?!?
― brimstead, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 05:10 (ten years ago) link
"kind of a creepy guy"
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 05:11 (ten years ago) link
Allen obsessives are mostly scum ime who don't treat people very nice(ly)
― brimstead, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 05:13 (ten years ago) link
Jeeeeez, that '92 article is hard reading.
― tbd (Eazy), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 05:13 (ten years ago) link
sarcasm xxp
I mean, just like the r kelly reaction 20 years later, it's like *slaps forehead* wtf
― brimstead, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 05:14 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, January 14, 2014 12:04 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
next level challops plus left cred-seeking plus secret blind WA love is my guess
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 05:14 (ten years ago) link
btw I do love several Woody Allen films, like at one time I really deeply loved them. He was sort of a deity in my family. It's actually really depressing and painful to realize just how bad the evidence against him looks, and even though I partly "got over him" at some point, I still find it painful. Like I used to think "I'll watch Woody Allen movies with my kids one day" and I'm starting to feel like maybe I won't.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 05:16 (ten years ago) link
To hear more about feminism and its affective framings today, tune in THIS week, to hear me talk with Liza Featherstone.
I would, but I have to wash my hair.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 05:17 (ten years ago) link
IRL lols
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 05:17 (ten years ago) link
to ignore the murky, messy underbelly of Farrow's family history, and by that I mean the way she has gone about defining the meaning of family in ways that actually demonstrate so many of the issues around adoptions, particularly transnational and trans-racial ones, all the while persuading liberal and progressive feminists in particular to praise her as some sort of Madonna. If we're going to talk about Farrow and Allen, let's talk about ALL of it, not just one side.
this shit makes me want to weep in fury and revulsion.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 05:31 (ten years ago) link
oh it's Y4sm1n N41r fwiw, didn't realize there was no credit on that.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 05:34 (ten years ago) link
As a friend and colleague of mine put it (not using their name without their permission), what happened between Allen and the adopted daughter of his partner is actually fairly typical in transnational adoptions where adopted children are frequently not actually considered children/blood, and hence are subject to being sexualised differently.
Imma need to see some stats that define this "fairly typical" thing.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 05:36 (ten years ago) link
yyyyeeeeah
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 05:37 (ten years ago) link
i usually like henwood but yeesh at him approving of that
― Hungry4Ass, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 05:39 (ten years ago) link
what on earth does "sexualized differently" mean
― goole, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 05:40 (ten years ago) link
srsly get angrier the more i think about this:
yeah a really boring meandering PR-y hot mess, complete with a horrifying account of child abuse as told by an adult woman with detailed memories of it, yawn, let's get back to discussing things that really matter like my podcast next week
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 05:50 (ten years ago) link
man that article, or whatever it is. i have to wash my hands after reading it.
― ★feminist parties i have attended (amateurist), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 07:00 (ten years ago) link
i mean the Y4sm1n N41r one
This quote - which nobody contests - is at least enough to cement the guy as an all time scumbag. The idea that anybody can look past this truly boggles my mind. Modeling!
Farrow... made the discovery of Allen’s affair with Soon-Yi when she found a stack of Polaroids taken by him of her daughter, her legs spread in full frontal nudity. Woody would later say publicly that the pictures had been taken because Soon-Yi was interested in modeling.
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 09:48 (ten years ago) link
u people are prudes, ephebophilia is cornerstone of male sexuality
― nauru, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 11:47 (ten years ago) link
Gross
― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 12:01 (ten years ago) link
the words of Ronan Farrow (a young man who, despite his youth, is incredibly sophisticated and knows how to play both the media and is scarily positioned to become a voice in "international relations")
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 12:05 (ten years ago) link
Gross. Shouldn't have even Googled that word. xxpost.
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 12:10 (ten years ago) link
the only useful thing to come out of stories like this is you get to identify all the douchebags who try and handwave it away
― can't believe people like things (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 12:13 (ten years ago) link
I didn't know "guilty until proven innocent" was a Millennial thing, mea culpa.
I also recall Yankee closer Mariano Rivera, who was treated like a Nobel Peace Prize prospect on his retirement tour last season, being accused of rape by a clubhouse guy who'd been fired about a decade ago. Overall tone of media reaction was "fag wants money." Mine was "probably true, pro athletes rape a lot." Some kinds of allegations seem to be accepted on their face more than others, depending on the hearer.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 12:18 (ten years ago) link
i don't think it's about automatically assuming all these allegations are true so much as the lengths some writers seem to be going to to assume the allegations are all baseless
― can't believe people like things (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 12:21 (ten years ago) link
how about not assuming anything?
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 12:22 (ten years ago) link
just responding to some really creepy misogynist journalism not going to sic a private detective on W Allen tbh
― can't believe people like things (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 12:26 (ten years ago) link
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/woody-allen-child-molestation?utm_source=vicefb
― everyday sheeple (Michael B), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 12:28 (ten years ago) link
A friend of a friend, once I told him what I was trying to accomplish by being at the Aero, didn't actively tell me to shove it. Instead, he gave me the brush-off I knew so well. "By that rationale," he argued, "you could write off Picasso and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle."
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― how's life, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 12:45 (ten years ago) link