Mia Farrow's son -- Ronan Seamus Farrow -- really creeps me out!

some dude you said you're not outraged by what he got away with, which is why i just wanted to clarify that you knew what he likely got away with. and when you went on about appreciating his art sans moral clause, i was curious if you actually knew the tone of the golden globes' celebration of his life and work.

yeah i watched the Globes, it was pretty awkward. but i was saying i don't have any problem with other people drawing a line in the sand and saying Woody crossed it for them and they'll dance on his grave and protest every award he gets -- just let anyone who thinks that should let me determine whether that's now where i draw my line.

just LIKE anyone who thinks etc.

so I didn't know that was the premise, but EW

you are misreading the post btw that is not what Manhattan is about. that is something that someone (not a major character) says at a party during the film, while comically failing to defend himself from accusations of misogyny.

i mean tbf i was making the pretty pointless argument that it's pointless to argue about this and nobody should be trying to convince anyone else to be on their side, so i can't blame you for assuming i wrote a paragraph that long to stake out an actual position. xp

the Girl Scouts theme thing is pretty clueless, i would agree.

allen apparently wasnt self-conscious at all about putting this fantasy onscreen

no idea how much of the Hemingway character is fantasy, but he'd dated a teen actress named, uh, Stacey a few years earlier.

in which a male party dude says

Played by Michael O'Donoghue, fairly well known at the time for his self-written sicko bits on SNL. He's clearly a parodic figure.

I'm sorry if I used the wrong term Hurting, but I'm not a lawyer -- but I am a misogynist, racist, and pedophile, so close enough.

no one said you were a pedophile

i'm just saying that we don't and can't live in a world where any sort of testimony is prima facie evidence of a crime. i'm not saying that's what's going on here, cos i have no idea what's going on here. but we also live in a world where shit like this happens: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria

― ★feminist parties i have attended (amateurist), Monday, January 13, 2014 12:48 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the differences between these situations are informative, satanic sex abuse scandals are m/l the epitome of wrongheaded stranger danger fears about childhood abuse, which stands in willful denial that abusers are usually family members or other trusted people who have close seeming good relationships with the children, abusers arent scary monsters theyre usually people who identify with and are very good at connecting with children, they practice psychological manipulation and seduction not torture

i was saying i don't have any problem with other people drawing a line in the sand and saying Woody crossed it for them and they'll dance on his grave and protest every award he gets -- just let anyone who thinks that should let me determine whether that's now where i draw my line.

traditionally that's where i stood on these things, but the whole r kelly thing made me realize how easy it is for people who like the work of a repugnant person to go from "yeah he's awful, but i still like this song" to "PRESIDENT KEELLLLLLS!!!!" as they're desensitized to what the person is accused of doing. By saying "i just assume people are awful, doesn't keep me from liking their work," one's actually taking on the responsibility to talk about these people like they're awful. So personally I'm glad for reminders, esp when awful people are being serenaded on tv.

i guess i'm playing devil's advocate here a bit. i admit i read that vanity fair article and was sickened by some of what was recounted. and it is hard for me to imagine why this little girl would have come forward and made these accusations to anyone if something awful hadn't happened. but around that event is such a thicket of issues that i guess I decided to "officially" not have an opinion, even if my reflex reaction to allen is now mostly one of disgust.

also lagoon that's a good point.

we've come a long way from thread title

or maybe not

yeah...when there's some public miscarriage of justice and someone who very likely did something terrible walks free, there's this sense, whether real or imagined, that the court of public opinion now matters, and we're all now jurors. so, it matters more if you want Woody Allen or George Zimmerman thrown in prison now that he wasn't, at least theoretically. it's difficult to quantify.

it still blows my mind that there is someone who is either Woody Allen's son or Frank Sinatra's son and nobody seems totally sure. that's fucking crazy.

lol yeah

"Hi, I'm Arnold Nixon...or Presley. one of those."

liv tyler thought warren zevon was her dad until she was like 12

nah todd rundgren

oh right

it does creep me out that mia and ronan seem to use that ambiguity to further tease/get back at allen.

"yeah, well while i was married to you i was fucking frank sinatra. your son isn't even your son!"

but again, not my family.

i knew zevon didnt seem quite there

liv tyler thought warren zevon was her dad until she was like 12

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todd rundgren's son thought warren zevon was his dad, liv tyler thought todd rundgren was his dad, and steven tyler stared into the eyes of a cow and saw god

HER dad

nothing about Farrow also being less then a great person would detract from the story -- in fact the women who marry child molesters are often not such great people

Luke Skywalker thought a young Jedi named Darth Vader betrayed and murdered his fathe!

nothing about Farrow also being less then a great person would detract from the story -- in fact the women who marry child molesters are often not such great people

― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Monday, January 13, 2014 12:10 PM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think anyone implied that ronan and mia's tweets (or generally odd behavior) had any bearing on whatever happened or didn't happen years ago.

i didn't know any of this tyler/zevon/rundgren stuff. it's turning me into william f. buckley.

hadn't heard the zevon/rundgren bit, but yeah bebe buell's daughter could be forgiven for not being sure what rock royalty line she was in

i made up the zevon/rundgren bit. it's amusing to think of this sort of rock-star-rid roundelay where rundgren raises tyler's kid, zevon raises rundgren's kid, phil lynott raises zevon's kid, etc.

hey don't leave out Elvis Costello from that equation

xp

rock-star-Kid

ew having sex with Elvis Costello

oh lol whoops

it doesn't help that i don't really like 70s rock that much

ew having sex with Elvis Costello

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i bet he's real clever in bed

his aim is true

punch the cock

Don't put on Ray Charles for your sex music.

I assume ppl who are reading the 2013 vanity fair article are also reading the older vanity fair article from the early 90s, if not pls do so

In 2004, Orth wrote an article about Jackson serving alcohol to a 13 year old Japanese boy named Richard Matsuura in 1998 based on the stories of Myung Ho Lee, Jackson's former business advisor. NBC News' Mike Taibbi contacted Matsuura who said the story was completely false. Vanity Fair has since deleted all references to Matsuura from their website despite Orth's initial refusal to retract the story.

that's some weaksauce doubtcasting if you look at it in context of her whole journalistic career

someone lied to her ergo everyone lied to her case closed

i guess i'm playing devil's advocate here a bit. i admit i read that vanity fair article and was sickened by some of what was recounted. and it is hard for me to imagine why this little girl would have come forward and made these accusations to anyone if something awful hadn't happened.

the fact that she's still haunted by it as an adult pretty much puts the lid on any idea that this was about 'mia wanting to get back at woody' or whatever, imo.

the 1992 VF story (which i don't recommend reading actually if you're having a nice day and don't want it ruined) also casts the soon-yi thing in a much creepier light than it's generally depicted these days.

holy shit @ that 1992 story. like with the r. kelly situation, i didn't have any real awareness of how grotesque his reported behavior actually was.

heres the sequel from last year http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2013/11/mia-farrow-frank-sinatra-ronan-farrow

link?

xpost

heres the 92 one http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/archive/1992/11/farrow199211

this vanity fair article is truly horrific

its sure is, allen's hangers-on and his fame surely quashed all these accusations of allen and farrow's daughter, dylan

fuck

I remember all the accusations

i've seen most of woody allen's films and had literally never heard about the dylan allegations before today.